German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[Tigenia]

disliking liberalism

lol no, half the AfD is liberal. and i'm pretty confident the other half is just pretending not to be to win over the east.

Right then, but still..

but?

..but still, the title of this thread is very inappropriate and seems to be written by someone who has no knowledge of the AfD or the German political landscape whatsoever.

[SD_Film Artists]

Why though. Surely the Germans, of all people, would just flat out refuse to let them be a party if they were actually fascist

Laws are public knowledge. They can be read, understood, and one can walk the line without stepping over it. That's what the NPD does. The AfD, in addition to walking the legal line, also walks the line of public opinion. But more often these days, the mask falls off and one of its politicians says what they really believe.

Very true. Only the extremist* fringe groups would form a party knowing that it will get them arrested or at least barred from election.

*extremist even by facist standards.

disliking liberalism

lol no, half the AfD is liberal. and i'm pretty confident the other half is just pretending not to be to win over the east.

Well gaining the support of Japan is a German tradition.

[Phoenicaea]

^i m italian and whatsoever ignorant in regard of german province-states. a pair of things.

i m liberal, and i see bourgeoning, wider slice of liberals indeed being moderate fascists.

an other thing, in italy moderates are largely ‘fascists’, i mean they are mussoliani and berlusconiani, they tie with the ‘leader’.

reason why germans don t worry, apart good protestant leadership, its because we have federal german union, not unitary state, purposely.

and austria is tiny (lost trieste, so united nations gave the meaningful town to the state who was supposed to do peaceful use of it).

we have got a confusion in defition. i don t mean you may have ‘30s fascism, obviously is different thing nowadays, yet truly is same lineage.

[Hirota]

So modern fascism then, got it.

Tbqh you seem like one of the types who thinks anything to the right of social democracy is national socialism reborn. Your idea of fascism is so broad it's meaningless as a descriptor.

It's hardly just Ohio guilty of that. Profligate overuse of the word threatens to render it uninformative. Accusations of “fascism” are applied to such a diversity of political types that being called one seems little more distinctive than wearing jeans.

[Phoenicaea]

^_Ohio is right. fascist label is grown and misrepresentative nowadays, useless for these times.

_Ohio definition is right: nowadays fascism, without downtown marches and folklore.

[Aturiye]

Calling AfD Fascist is... quite misleading may i so say as a (former) fascist, the AfD, for one believe in a direct democracy, and fascism is quite anti-democratic, thats a start..... then again I’m not well versed in german politics, i’m an Iraqi living in Baghdad

[Nakena]

Risottia should know better since Italy has some actual fascist parties and movements such as Forza Nova and the 3rd Positionist Casa Pound. Not to mention it had the MSI. All things I am sure Riso is undoubtly 100% aware about.

The AfD is nothing like that, they're just the usual kind of right-wing populists.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

So modern fascism then, got it.

Tbqh you seem like one of the types who thinks anything to the right of social democracy is national socialism reborn. Your idea of fascism is so broad it's meaningless as a descriptor.

I’m sure that’s what you think my idea of fascism is, doesn’t mean that you’re particularly correct in that assertion.

So modern fascism then, got it.

Could it be that everything even slightly to the right off the center is fascism for you?

Not even close, but good try though.

So modern fascism then, got it.

Whether or not AfD is fascist, I'm not sure you actually know what fascism really is tbh.

If you say so.

Well not to be offensive but your knowledge of Right wing ideologies, more specifically fascism, seems to be very shallow.

*shrug*
It may seem that way to you.

[North German Realm]

Whether or not AfD is fascist, I'm not sure you actually know what fascism really is tbh.

If you say so.

From your other comments here, I know so.

[The New California Republic]

Thuringia is a nice area, having travelled there on previous occasions. Sad to see this nonsense happening to it.

[Nakena]

Merkel has demanded to undo the result.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51399445

[Spain2007]

When you call everyone who dosent think like you a fascist, and you call them authoritarian? isnt your mindset authoritarian?
do you know what even fascism means?? do you even know who Mussolini is? do you even know difference between nazism and classical fascism?

you remind me of right wing americans that call everyone who disagres with you a commie or a socialist

classical fascism is more totalitarian centre than exstreme right

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

If you say so.

From your other comments here, I know so.

I’m sure you do.

[Leninist Haven]

When you call everyone who dosent think like you a fascist, and you call them authoritarian? isnt your mindset authoritarian?
do you know what even fascism means?? do you even know who Mussolini is? do you even know difference between nazism and classical fascism?

you remind me of right wing americans that call everyone who disagres with you a commie or a socialist

classical fascism is more totalitarian centre than exstreme right

Almost no one agrees on political definitions... Even people from Hitler's time (Salazar and Franco especially) are highly debated between being fascist or just an ideology incredibly close to fascism in far more ways than not. From the purpose of the thread, I don't personally think that "ultrareactionary" makes a difference than "fascist." Myself, my [comrades], and my professors from Germany have always known them as fascist, and try to avoid even mentioning that they exist. The tone entirely changes into one of hate and fear mixed together, almost creepy to talk about.

Edit: Had a quote here, but after looking it over a while later, I don't really want to keep it here since I'm not entirely sure I understand the last couple of lines translation-wise (in the name of intellectual fairness).

[Bear Stearns]

"fascist"

[Leninist Haven]

"fascist"

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates.

Edit: Since I removed the above quote, I removed a line here that referenced it (as it would be strange to keep one but not the other, since both relate)

To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

[Bear Stearns]

"fascist"

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

Who's fault do you think that is?

People have a problem with being called a fascist because fascists are like the one political group against whom violence and repression is socially acceptable (it is illegal to be a fascist in several western countries). So when you call people fascist, you are really calling for them to be suppressed. And that really pisses people off.

[Leninist Haven]

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

Who's fault do you think that is?

People have a problem with being called a fascist because fascists are like the one political group against whom violence and repression is socially acceptable (it is illegal to be a fascist in several western countries). So when you call people fascist, you are really calling for them to be suppressed. And that really pisses people off.

That's... Not a response I was hoping to receive. My point was that people aren't calling anything fascist anymore, when in reality, fascism has not completely evaporated. I've seen people sieg heiling, and I've been told I'm "calling everything fascist" by calling them fascist. I've seen people that are drinking with men covered head-to-toe in swastikas, sieg heiling, and I'm told that they're not fascists. What does it take to label something as fascist anymore?

And it might help them to not work with groups that glorify Nazism if they don't want to be called fascists, or to be so dead-set on talking about how killing should be done when necessary. Even if they believe it to be true, it probably shouldn't become their #1 issue if they want to avoid nazi comparisons.

[American Pere Housh]

Hmm very interesting

[SD_Film Artists]

"fascist"

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.

[Rojava Free State]

Europe is definitely taking a rightward turn, and I don't mean mitt romney right. I mean more like Richard Spencer right

[Leninist Haven]

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.

Maybe, but like in that story, that didn't stop the wolf from eating him. They quite literally have a wing in their party that openly associates with neo-nazism, and they have not severed ties. One of their executives (AfD federal executive board) is almost universally known as a neo-nazi.

[Albennia]

Google "Old Social Democratic Party", it puts the situation in (former) East Germany in some perspective. It's not exactly unprecedented. If Die Linke were to actually listen to their natural voter base (all the young liberals are going to the Greens anyway, no point in chasing after them) guarantee you they would take all of the AfD's support in the East

Europe is definitely taking a rightward turn, and I don't mean mitt romney right. I mean more like Richard Spencer right

Yes, which is why the German Greens are polling in the low twenties

[Leninist Haven]

Google "Old Social Democratic Party", it puts the situation in (former) East Germany in some perspective. It's not exactly unprecedented. If Die Linke were to actually listen to their natural voter base (all the young liberals are going to the Greens anyway, no point in chasing after them) guarantee you they would take all of the AfD's support in the East

Europe is definitely taking a rightward turn, and I don't mean mitt romney right. I mean more like Richard Spencer right

Yes, which is why the German Greens are polling in the low twenties

Well, of all the people I speak with from Germany, they generally attack me as saying "all the neo-nazis are in (modern) East Germany," so that's a bit ironic in my mind.

[North German Realm]

Google "Old Social Democratic Party", it puts the situation in (former) East Germany in some perspective. It's not exactly unprecedented. If Die Linke were to actually listen to their natural voter base (all the young liberals are going to the Greens anyway, no point in chasing after them) guarantee you they would take all of the AfD's support in the East


Yes, which is why the German Greens are polling in the low twenties

Well, of all the people I speak with from Germany, they generally attack me as saying "all the neo-nazis are in (modern) East Germany," so that's a bit ironic in my mind.

They did the best in the New States and -to a lesser degree- Bavaria, yes.