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Vegetarian Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:22 pm
by The Allied Tribe
As you probably know, the amount of vegetarians (and vegans) is slightly increasing. The usual goal of a vegetarian is to help the environment and to encourage other people to quit their meat-eating ways. However, there are different kinds of vegetarians, and there are other forms of debatable types of them. Examples are pescatarians and pollotarians, who, in the opinions of most people (including me), are not vegetarians because they eat a form of meat. Also, most people tend to be omnivores, who some vegetarians greatly despise. The main problem with most vegetarians, however, is that there are people with very meat-heavy diets, who tend to be dehydrated and have weak bones, but they also forget about the environment and that animals still have feelings.

If you still have questions

What is a vegetarian?

This should not require a definition, but if you don’t know what a vegetarian is, a vegetarian is a person who does not eat ANY meat.

What are the kinds of vegetarians?
Lacto-ovo vegetarian: Vegetarian that eats eggs, dairy products, and honey.
Lacto vegetarian: Vegetarian that eats dairy products and honey.
Ovo vegetarian: Vegetarian that eats eggs and honey.
Junk food vegan: Vegan that still eats junk food (For example: Chips or Oreos)
Whole food vegan: Vegan that only eats whole food
Raw vegan: Vegan that only eats raw vegetables.
Fruitarian: Form of vegan that only eats fruits that fall from trees.
Pescatarian: Form of vegetarian that also eats fish.
Pollotarian: Form of vegetarian that also eats chicken.
Flexitarian: Form of vegetarian that eats meat occasionally.

This thread will be about what kind of vegetarian you are, why it is best for people, and if you are not, why that would be best for people.

I’ll start:

I am a lacto vegetarian, because I think that it is a way to help the environment by taking out meat, eggs, leather, and rennet, while it still has milk, honey, and cheese, which most people like to eat.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:25 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Just saying, this probably won’t reach a second thread, but still, it would be nice to try.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:27 pm
by Red Roja
Salad? You mean what food eats to become food?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:28 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Red Roja wrote:Salad? You mean what food eats to become food?


Not all vegetarians need to eat salad.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:32 pm
by Nakena
Last year I did carnivore diet. It wasnt bad. But I added salat to it as well.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:32 pm
by The Holy Therns
I'm not a vegetarian, but I've had a lot of fun cooking vegan food lately. It's cut down my meat consumption considerably, which is nice.

I dunno if I'll ever go full veg, but it's definitely possible.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:37 pm
by Rojava Free State
Only animals I eat are fish. Besides that, most of my diet consists of vegetables and rice

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:38 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Rojava Free State wrote:Only animals I eat are fish. Besides that, most of my diet consists of vegetables and rice


That’s a pescatarian diet. Most people, including myself, don’t think that’s a vegetarian diet, but I guess that’s still close enough.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:40 pm
by Rojava Free State
The Allied Tribe wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Only animals I eat are fish. Besides that, most of my diet consists of vegetables and rice


That’s a pescatarian diet. Most people, including myself, don’t think that’s a vegetarian diet, but I guess that’s still close enough.


I don't eat anything that is definitely sentient. I have a major issue for example with eating a pig

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:54 pm
by Tinhampton
For future reference: Am currently a nonstakeholder - in the correctly-spelled context - but was a nominal and occasionally-lapsed vegetarian (now fully lapsed for 25 years) for large swathes of teenagehood on (officially) financial pretexts, although I never quite considered myself as such.
The Allied Tribe wrote:The usual goal of a vegetarian is to help the environment and to encourage other people to quit their meat-eating ways.

I was under the impression that such behaviours were more characteristic of the vegan subset.

The Allied Tribe wrote:...there are different kinds of vegetarians, and there are other forms of debatable types of them. Examples are pescatarians and pollotarians, who, in the opinions of most people (including me), are not vegetarians because they eat a form of meat.

Define "meat."

The Allied Tribe wrote:The main problem with most vegetarians, however, is that there are people with very meat-heavy diets, who tend to be dehydrated and have weak bones, but they also forget about the environment and that animals still have feelings.

Is this a problem for vegetarians inasmuch as it can be analogously said that "The main problem with most goalkeepers is that there are people who score lots of goals, who tend to have dry spells and can be injured for long periods, but they also forget that other footballers have feelings?" Or ought this to tie in with the first quote from your OP that I made?

The Allied Tribe wrote:a vegetarian is a person who does not eat ANY meat... I am a lacto vegetarian, because I think that it is a way to help the environment by taking out meat, eggs, leather

emphasis mine... With that said, how far ought vegetarians to abstain from other animal byproducts?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:57 pm
by Togeria
So I've always been interested in Vegetarianism/Veganism. My biggest question is when it comes not eating meat or stopping yourself from eating it (if you were a previous omnivore) do you ever get past cravings for meat or is that a issue that ever comes or develops?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:58 pm
by Aeritai
Opinions on Vegan Burgers? I'm not a Vegetarian myself, but I am curious to what Vegetarians think about Vegan Burgers like the Impossible Whopper from Burger King.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:14 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Tinhampton wrote:For future reference: Am currently a nonstakeholder - in the correctly-spelled context - but was a nominal and occasionally-lapsed vegetarian (now fully lapsed for 25 years) for large swathes of teenagehood on (officially) financial pretexts, although I never quite considered myself as such.
The Allied Tribe wrote:The usual goal of a vegetarian is to help the environment and to encourage other people to quit their meat-eating ways.

I was under the impression that such behaviours were more characteristic of the vegan subset.

Not necessarily. Some vegetarians became vegetarians for the purpose of helping the environment, while keeping some foods that they like.

The Allied Tribe wrote:...there are different kinds of vegetarians, and there are other forms of debatable types of them. Examples are pescatarians and pollotarians, who, in the opinions of most people (including me), are not vegetarians because they eat a form of meat.

Define "meat."
Meat is any and all forms of animal flesh, including fish and poultry.

The Allied Tribe wrote:The main problem with most vegetarians, however, is that there are people with very meat-heavy diets, who tend to be dehydrated and have weak bones, but they also forget about the environment and that animals still have feelings.

Is this a problem for vegetarians inasmuch as it can be analogously said that "The main problem with most goalkeepers is that there are people who score lots of goals, who tend to have dry spells and can be injured for long periods, but they also forget that other footballers have feelings?" Or ought this to tie in with the first quote from your OP that I made?
Those two statements are different from each other. I mainly wrote that to add to the rest of the statements.

The Allied Tribe wrote:a vegetarian is a person who does not eat ANY meat... I am a lacto vegetarian, because I think that it is a way to help the environment by taking out meat, eggs, leather

emphasis mine... With that said, how far ought vegetarians to abstain from other animal byproducts?

It depends on the vegetarian. Some still use animal fur, skin and other things, while others don’t use any of those.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:16 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Togeria wrote:So I've always been interested in Vegetarianism/Veganism. My biggest question is when it comes not eating meat or stopping yourself from eating it (if you were a previous omnivore) do you ever get past cravings for meat or is that a issue that ever comes or develops?


I have never been an omnivore. I was not always a lacto vegetarian, I was raised as a lacto-ovo vegetarian by my parents, before becoming a lacto-vegetarian.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:16 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Rojava Free State wrote:
The Allied Tribe wrote:
That’s a pescatarian diet. Most people, including myself, don’t think that’s a vegetarian diet, but I guess that’s still close enough.


I don't eat anything that is definitely sentient. I have a major issue for example with eating a pig


Fish are kind of sentient.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:18 pm
by Major-Tom
I cut out red meat recently (which was tough as hell), mostly because of the significant environmental impact of industrial-grade Beef farming. That's about it for now.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:22 pm
by The Allied Tribe
Aeritai wrote:Opinions on Vegan Burgers? I'm not a Vegetarian myself, but I am curious to what Vegetarians think about Vegan Burgers like the Impossible Whopper from Burger King.


Well, it’s an improvement from the current burgers. I don’t tend to eat vegan or vegetarian burgers, but it would be nice if it spread further.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:31 pm
by Outer Sparta
I've reduced my meat consumption quite a bit. I still eat it everyday, but not quite as much as I used to.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:32 pm
by Major-Tom
Aeritai wrote:Opinions on Vegan Burgers? I'm not a Vegetarian myself, but I am curious to what Vegetarians think about Vegan Burgers like the Impossible Whopper from Burger King.


The Impossible Whopper is not great, that said, I've made some vegan burgers just using Beyond Meat. It's pretty tasty, I just recommend pan frying those patties over using a grill.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:34 pm
by Outer Sparta
Major-Tom wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Opinions on Vegan Burgers? I'm not a Vegetarian myself, but I am curious to what Vegetarians think about Vegan Burgers like the Impossible Whopper from Burger King.


The Impossible Whopper is not great, that said, I've made some vegan burgers just using Beyond Meat. It's pretty tasty, I just recommend pan frying those patties over using a grill.

Now if in-vitro meat becomes viable, then I would love to buy those.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:34 pm
by Major-Tom
Outer Sparta wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
The Impossible Whopper is not great, that said, I've made some vegan burgers just using Beyond Meat. It's pretty tasty, I just recommend pan frying those patties over using a grill.

Now if in-vitro meat becomes viable, then I would love to buy those.


It's an exciting idea, I look forward to it forsure.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:35 pm
by Outer Sparta
Major-Tom wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Now if in-vitro meat becomes viable, then I would love to buy those.


It's an exciting idea, I look forward to it forsure.

I still want to eat meat, but I don't want to eat it without the guilt and all the gory stuff that comes in processing it. In-vitro is my preferred option for sure in the future.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:36 pm
by Major-Tom
Outer Sparta wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
It's an exciting idea, I look forward to it forsure.

I still want to eat meat, but I don't want to eat it without the guilt and all the gory stuff that comes in processing it. In-vitro is my preferred option for sure in the future.


I mean, you could always search for more sustainably farmed meats and buy more poultry/seafood than beef, pork etc. I'm trying to wean myself off meat as well, but I haven't stopped completely.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:37 pm
by Xmara
I eat meat, but it's pretty minimal. I rarely ever eat red meat. In fact, at one point, I had cut red meat completely out of my diet. Now I occasionally eat it, but I'm very particular as to how it's fixed.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:38 pm
by Outer Sparta
Major-Tom wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I still want to eat meat, but I don't want to eat it without the guilt and all the gory stuff that comes in processing it. In-vitro is my preferred option for sure in the future.


I mean, you could always search for more sustainably farmed meats and buy more poultry/seafood than beef, pork etc. I'm trying to wean myself off meat as well, but I haven't stopped completely.

Sustainably produced meats is better and uses healthier livestock and sustainable production. I rarely eat seafood.