Vegetarian Discussion Thread

[Durzan]

Honestly, the main problem is not that humans eat meat...our bodies are designed to process at least some meat and protein. The problem is the proportions of meat that we eat. Our bodies are not designed to handle a diet of 75% meat all the time. Too much meat in our regular diets IS bad for us (Cholestorol problems is just one of the issues, I think)... but at the same time, avoiding meat entirely is bad for us as well.

Moderation in all things. Meat should be eaten, but sparingly and with respect for the life taken.

[Outer Sparta]

Honestly, the main problem is not that humans eat meat... the problem is the proportions of meat that we eat. Our bodies are not designed to handle a diet of 75% meat all the time. Too much meat in our regular diets IS bad for us... but at the same time, avoiding meat entirely is bad for us as well.

Moderation in all things. Meat should be eaten, but sparingly and with respect for the life taken.

Processed meat is worse for your health than regular meat. It's best to limit processed meat, eat regular meat in low-moderate portions, and eat plenty of veggies, fruits, and whole grains. A perfectly balanced diet for the human body.

[Australian rePublic]

This poll is bias and unfair. Eating meat=/=meat heavy diet. You could meat as maybe like 5% of your daily diet, and that still counts as a omnivore. That doesn't meake it a "meat heavy diet"

[Southern Avarsarstan]

And this is why people despise vegetarians (well vegans). What I eat has nothing to do with you. I don't tell you what to eat, don't tell me what to eat. I'm nor convinced about the environmental argument either. I also very much doubt we could sustain global world population on a plant-based diet

Actually it would be 100% possible and sustainable, because it would take less resources; you have to grow crops to feed the animals - not to mention other resources that go into that.



But that all said, its down to person choice; not getting into the fact that diets are something that people should build and research themselves to tailor it to both their life-style and other factors.

However, demonstrable facts should not upset folks; it is healthier to be vegetarian granted that pay attention to what you are eating and avoid foods that would be unhealthy despite being vegetarian or vegan friendly - though that isn't to say that eating meat is unhealthy or that anyone that eats meat can't be healthy.

[Oh sweetheart, nobody "forgets" about the environment or "animals have feelings". Nobody eats meat because "duh huh dying animal fun"- well, okay, maybe there's a few nut jobs out there, but the vast majority of people out there don't. Also, as said earlier, I'm not convinced about the environmental benefits of a vegeterian lifestyle, but let's, for argument sake, assume they're true. Nobody eats meat because "duh huh, killing planet fun". Okay, once again, maybe a few nut jobs, but most people don't. Most people recognise that killing animals (and the environment) is an unfortunate but necassery evil

Are you okay? I think you are being unnecessarily upset and taking other people not eating meat as a personal attack against you.

[Southern Avarsarstan]

This poll is bias and unfair. Eating meat=/=meat heavy diet. You could meat as maybe like 5% of your daily diet, and that still counts as a omnivore. That doesn't meake it a "meat heavy diet"

I think its grouping them together, not saying they are the same. This is a vegetarian discussion thread, after all, so you'd actually assume that the poll options wouldn't be various non-vegetarian diets.

[Outer Sparta]

And this is why people despise vegetarians (well vegans). What I eat has nothing to do with you. I don't tell you what to eat, don't tell me what to eat. I'm nor convinced about the environmental argument either. I also very much doubt we could sustain global world population on a plant-based diet

Actually it would be 100% possible and sustainable, because it would take less resources; you have to grow crops to feed the animals - not to mention other resources that go into that.



But that all said, its down to person choice; not getting into the fact that diets are something that people should build and research themselves to tailor it to both their life-style and other factors.

However, demonstrable facts should not upset folks; it is healthier to be vegetarian granted that pay attention to what you are eating and avoid foods that would be unhealthy despite being vegetarian or vegan friendly - though that isn't to say that eating meat is unhealthy or that anyone that eats meat can't be healthy.

[Oh sweetheart, nobody "forgets" about the environment or "animals have feelings". Nobody eats meat because "duh huh dying animal fun"- well, okay, maybe there's a few nut jobs out there, but the vast majority of people out there don't. Also, as said earlier, I'm not convinced about the environmental benefits of a vegeterian lifestyle, but let's, for argument sake, assume they're true. Nobody eats meat because "duh huh, killing planet fun". Okay, once again, maybe a few nut jobs, but most people don't. Most people recognise that killing animals (and the environment) is an unfortunate but necassery evil

Are you okay? I think you are being unnecessarily upset and taking other people not eating meat as a personal attack against you.

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

[Czechostan]

Actually it would be 100% possible and sustainable, because it would take less resources; you have to grow crops to feed the animals - not to mention other resources that go into that.

I knew a dairy farmer who would always tell me "it takes 1000 L of water to produce 1 L of milk." It's a similarly ugly number with regards to beef, and most other meats, too. Factory farming is one of the biggest consumers of resources/contributors to climate change.

That said, I've considered becoming a vegetarian, but it's difficult for me because I enjoy the taste of beef and pork too much. I'm not categorically against meat-eating--my beef (pun intended) is with how inhumane and wasteful the modern day meat industry is, not some moral reason against killing animals--but I try to avoid it when I can.

[Australian rePublic]

Actually it would be 100% possible and sustainable, because it would take less resources; you have to grow crops to feed the animals - not to mention other resources that go into that.



But that all said, its down to person choice; not getting into the fact that diets are something that people should build and research themselves to tailor it to both their life-style and other factors.

However, demonstrable facts should not upset folks; it is healthier to be vegetarian granted that pay attention to what you are eating and avoid foods that would be unhealthy despite being vegetarian or vegan friendly - though that isn't to say that eating meat is unhealthy or that anyone that eats meat can't be healthy.




Are you okay? I think you are being unnecessarily upset and taking other people not eating meat as a personal attack against you.

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

Yes they literarly are. OP specifically said that it's the job of vegeterians to try to encourage non-vegeterians to not eat meat

[Czechostan]

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

90% of the time, they're fine. But sometimes vegetarians and vegans do come across as moralizing. See: PETA.

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Actually it would be 100% possible and sustainable, because it would take less resources; you have to grow crops to feed the animals - not to mention other resources that go into that.



But that all said, its down to person choice; not getting into the fact that diets are something that people should build and research themselves to tailor it to both their life-style and other factors.

However, demonstrable facts should not upset folks; it is healthier to be vegetarian granted that pay attention to what you are eating and avoid foods that would be unhealthy despite being vegetarian or vegan friendly - though that isn't to say that eating meat is unhealthy or that anyone that eats meat can't be healthy.




Are you okay? I think you are being unnecessarily upset and taking other people not eating meat as a personal attack against you.

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

For every self-righteous and judgmental vegan, there are 100 anti-vegan reactionaries who manage to be far more annoying. A person merely mentioning veganism once provokes responses of "oh my god do you ever shut up about being vegan" and "so you're saying that I'm a murderer because I eat meat!"

[Southern Avarsarstan]

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

Yes they literarly are. OP specifically said that it's the job of vegeterians to try to encourage non-vegeterians to not eat meat

And other people disagreed. A vast majority, in fact.

[The Allied Tribe]

This poll is bias and unfair. Eating meat=/=meat heavy diet. You could meat as maybe like 5% of your daily diet, and that still counts as a omnivore. That doesn't meake it a "meat heavy diet"

Nope, I put them together because this is a vegetarian thread, so it would be best to put them together, since you eat meat at all. I used a slash to separate them, so that people would know they are separate. I know what you are thinking, but that is an impulse, and your general knowledge does not go with the knowledge of others.

[The Allied Tribe]

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

For every self-righteous and judgmental vegan, there are 100 anti-vegan reactionaries who manage to be far more annoying. A person merely mentioning veganism once provokes responses of "oh my god do you ever shut up about being vegan" and "so you're saying that I'm a murderer because I eat meat!"

Encouraging people is one of the main goals of vegetarians (even though I’m not specifically one of them) and although most vegetarians encourage non-vegetarians, they will not literally force them to. Also, what about the environment?

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[The Allied Tribe]

I eat fish, chicken, rice, spinach, curry etc. I want to be a vegan or a vegetarian but I need your help. I have allergies to egg, dairy products, wheat, apple juice...(yeah it looks like a lot) do you have any suggestions on what I could eat if I wanted to go on a vegan or vegetarian diet? because of my allergies, my family thinks that going on a vegan or vegetarian diet could be too restrictive and perhaps problematic, and I agree with them so far since I can't think of vegan foods or vegetarian foods I can regularly eat, thanks.

Eat a lot of vegetables, and become a raw vegan, or become a lacto vegetarian, and eat cheese with your vegetables. Salad would be a nice place to start.

[ArranVidLand]

Thank you for your advice yeah I forgot to mention I also eat free-from (free-from means free from egg, wheat, dairy products) pasta for breakfast and lunch (I eat 4 free-from fish fingers for lunch often) and the free-from pasta is fusilli and penne pasta. I'll have a look at zucchini pasta

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Heres a recipe to make it, also the wheat thing kinda sucks cause that really screws with the things you can have.

Thank you very much

[The Allied Tribe]

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Heres a recipe to make it, also the wheat thing kinda sucks cause that really screws with the things you can have.

Thank you very much

I just realized you can’t eat dairy products. Just become a raw vegan, that would actually be fine. If not, then well, you probably won’t succeed in becoming a vegan/vegetarian.

[Outer Sparta]

The common argument against vegans/vegetarians is them "telling you what you should eat." Umm are they really? It's their own personal choice that doesn't hurt anyone.

Yes they literarly are. OP specifically said that it's the job of vegeterians to try to encourage non-vegeterians to not eat meat

It's to encourage being healthier for yourself and the planet. Our current way of meat processing is unsustainable, dirty, and unhealthy.

[ArranVidLand]

I eat fish, chicken, rice, spinach, curry etc. I want to be a vegan or a vegetarian but I need your help. I have allergies to egg, dairy products, wheat, apple juice...(yeah it looks like a lot) do you have any suggestions on what I could eat if I wanted to go on a vegan or vegetarian diet? because of my allergies, my family thinks that going on a vegan or vegetarian diet could be too restrictive and perhaps problematic, and I agree with them so far since I can't think of vegan foods or vegetarian foods I can regularly eat, thanks.

Eat a lot of vegetables, and become a raw vegan, or become a lacto vegetarian, and eat cheese with your vegetables. Salad would be a nice place to start.

Thanks for your suggestion bear in mind that I do however have an allergy to milk products

[The Allied Tribe]

Yes they literarly are. OP specifically said that it's the job of vegeterians to try to encourage non-vegeterians to not eat meat

And other people disagreed. A vast majority, in fact.

Encouraging people is one of the main goals of vegetarians (even though I’m not specifically one of them) and although most vegetarians encourage non-vegetarians, they will not literally force them to. Also, what about the environment?

[Southern Avarsarstan]

And other people disagreed. A vast majority, in fact.

Encouraging people is one of the main goals of vegetarians (even though I’m not specifically one of them) and although most vegetarians encourage non-vegetarians, they will not literally force them to. Also, what about the environment?

I do try to encourage people to be more healthy; learning how to cook (you'd be surprised the impact that only that has on your health), eating more vegetables and fruits, eating less processed and frozen foods, starting a garden if they are able, etc. I understand a vegetarian or vegan diet isn't for everyone, though I do help people along if they want to try to move into that.

I mentioned part, or at least the part I focus on, of the environmental impact in my previous post, its not my personal reason for becoming a vegetarian (I think its important to talk about the way the modern diet puts a strain on the environment, it just isn't the main driving force that led me to be a vegetarian) so I tend to go with what led me to it first.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’m not vegetarian although I don’t eat much meat due to health reasons and use milk substitutes.

[Aureumterra]

How exactly does being vegan help the environment?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How exactly does being vegan help the environment?

Something about lowering impact in the environment from farming practices and animal cruelty. Like cattle ranching and cattle slaughtering. Or that’s the claim.

[Southern Avarsarstan]

How exactly does being vegan help the environment?

Basically, because of the strain on the environment caused by ranching; you need crops to feed the animals along with other resources. The main thing is that all that land and those resources could instead be used to make crops to feed people instead, and end up feeding much more people than the same land devoted to ranching.

[Prolets Isl]

I suppose I'm a Lacto-vegetarian? Only that I eat cheese and yoghurt on occasion. Never actually drink milk though. Tastes faintly of blood and grass to me.