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by Kohr » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:52 pm
by Page » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:44 pm
by Cetacea » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:52 pm
by The Allied Tribe » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:37 am
Kohr wrote:I've been vegetarian from a very young age and cannot remember what any meat tastes like. My pet peeve is when I tell people that I'm a vegetarian and they ask me if I'm a vegan. No, I'm not. I just told you what I am.
Page wrote:Currently, I am an omnivore but I have reduced my meat consumption to not more than 2 days per week. My next goal is to significantly reduce my dairy intake, which is difficult for me because you know, cheesecake, ice cream, etc. I am trying to live more ethically but without completely depriving myself of things that I enjoy. I apply this philosophy to other issues like carbon emissions. I walk wherever I can and I take public transportation rather than have a car so reduce my contribution to climate change but I am still willing to fly once or twice a year to go on holiday.
My perspective is that meat is generally a luxury in the first world. Not always, there are people in Appalachia for example who can only sustain a healthy diet by hunting, they are too poor to sustain themselves on non-animal products, and when one bullet gets you a whole deer's worth of meat it's entirely ethically justified to kill and consume it. There are villages that rely on fishing to exist, there are necessary medicines made from or tested on animals. I would like to get closer to vegan myself though.
Anyway, when I say meat is a luxury I don't mean it's entirely unnecessary or that no one should have it, but that a medically healthy, middle-class person in a developed country certainly has viable vegan alternatives, and moreover that I think it is problematic that some people consume meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day.
In the long term I would like to go vegan but with some degree of flexibility, in that I would accept animal-products offered to me at a dinner invitation, that I am still willing to buy and wear secondhand leather and wool products. I am taking it slow because I am trying to live more ethically without overly inconveniencing myself.
Some vegans might ask "why don't you do more?" and that is a fair question, but we all make these compromises. If someone who is homeless approaches me and asks for money I give them 2 euros if I can, I could afford to give them 10 and just give up a few indulgent purchases. I think if everyone tried to do just a bit better rather than make a radical commitment, the world would be a better place. That said, I commend those who are fully vegan for their contribution to the reduction of animal suffering and environmental destruction.
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by Satuga » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:44 am
by The Alma Mater » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:30 am
Satuga wrote:I'm a meat eater, hell I had taco's yesterday. One thing I always find stupid is some people who think that if you eat meat you are evil or something. Like most meat eaters would look at the gross practices in slaughter factories and say "Yeah that needs to change" and instead of vegetarians or vegans trying to support those people in order to give animals a more comfortable life, a lot(not all) instead say that meat eaters are evil bastards who don't care about animals because we eat them. Like what? You can still eat an animal while respecting it and giving it a comfortable life.
by Satuga » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:09 am
The Alma Mater wrote:
Not if everyone eats meat in the amounts common in western nations. Then factory farming is required; it is not possible to produce the required amount of meat through animal-friendly methods.
Excluding vat-grown meat and such.
by ArranVidLand » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 am
by Satuga » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:23 am
ArranVidLand wrote:I eat fish, chicken, rice, spinach, curry etc. I want to be a vegan or a vegetarian but I need your help. I have allergies to egg, dairy products, wheat, apple juice...(yeah it looks like a lot) do you have any suggestions on what I could eat if I wanted to go on a vegan or vegetarian diet? because of my allergies, my family thinks that going on a vegan or vegetarian diet could be too restrictive and perhaps problematic, and I agree with them so far since I can't think of vegan foods or vegetarian foods I can regularly eat, thanks.
by The Alma Mater » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:28 am
Satuga wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Not if everyone eats meat in the amounts common in western nations. Then factory farming is required; it is not possible to produce the required amount of meat through animal-friendly methods.
Excluding vat-grown meat and such.
It's entirely possible, just not as cost effective as the slaughter houses want it to be. There are ways to make the slaughtering and farming of animal much more humane without totally destroying production.
by ArranVidLand » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:29 am
Satuga wrote:ArranVidLand wrote:I eat fish, chicken, rice, spinach, curry etc. I want to be a vegan or a vegetarian but I need your help. I have allergies to egg, dairy products, wheat, apple juice...(yeah it looks like a lot) do you have any suggestions on what I could eat if I wanted to go on a vegan or vegetarian diet? because of my allergies, my family thinks that going on a vegan or vegetarian diet could be too restrictive and perhaps problematic, and I agree with them so far since I can't think of vegan foods or vegetarian foods I can regularly eat, thanks.
Well from what I know there's salad, theres also several plant based foods you can make to vary, like zucchini pasta(it's actually pretty good) and other things, If you want to go fully vegan then you'll limit more things, if you don't actually care about full vegan diet then I would recommend continuing to eat at least fish for iron, so that way you don't have to take supplements or the like. Also you should probably visit a doctor in order to figure out a proper vegetarian/vegan diet that won't compromise your health.
by ArranVidLand » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:31 am
Satuga wrote:ArranVidLand wrote:I eat fish, chicken, rice, spinach, curry etc. I want to be a vegan or a vegetarian but I need your help. I have allergies to egg, dairy products, wheat, apple juice...(yeah it looks like a lot) do you have any suggestions on what I could eat if I wanted to go on a vegan or vegetarian diet? because of my allergies, my family thinks that going on a vegan or vegetarian diet could be too restrictive and perhaps problematic, and I agree with them so far since I can't think of vegan foods or vegetarian foods I can regularly eat, thanks.
Well from what I know there's salad, theres also several plant based foods you can make to vary, like zucchini pasta(it's actually pretty good) and other things, If you want to go fully vegan then you'll limit more things, if you don't actually care about full vegan diet then I would recommend continuing to eat at least fish for iron, so that way you don't have to take supplements or the like. Also you should probably visit a doctor in order to figure out a proper vegetarian/vegan diet that won't compromise your health.
by Satuga » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:34 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Satuga wrote:It's entirely possible, just not as cost effective as the slaughter houses want it to be. There are ways to make the slaughtering and farming of animal much more humane without totally destroying production.
No, we literally do not have enough space for that on the surface of the planet.
by Nouveau Yathrib » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:35 am
by Satuga » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:36 am
ArranVidLand wrote:Satuga wrote:Well from what I know there's salad, theres also several plant based foods you can make to vary, like zucchini pasta(it's actually pretty good) and other things, If you want to go fully vegan then you'll limit more things, if you don't actually care about full vegan diet then I would recommend continuing to eat at least fish for iron, so that way you don't have to take supplements or the like. Also you should probably visit a doctor in order to figure out a proper vegetarian/vegan diet that won't compromise your health.
Thank you for your advice yeah I forgot to mention I also eat free-from (free-from means free from egg, wheat, dairy products) pasta for breakfast and lunch (I eat 4 free-from fish fingers for lunch often) and the free-from pasta is fusilli and penne pasta. I'll have a look at zucchini pasta
by Earthbound Immortal Squad » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:44 am
Satuga wrote:I'm a meat eater, hell I had taco's yesterday. One thing I always find stupid is some people who think that if you eat meat you are evil or something. Like most meat eaters would look at the gross practices in slaughter factories and say "Yeah that needs to change" and instead of vegetarians or vegans trying to support those people in order to give animals a more comfortable life, a lot(not all) instead say that meat eaters are evil bastards who don't care about animals because we eat them. Like what? You can still eat an animal while respecting it and giving it a comfortable life.
by The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:47 am
by Satuga » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:51 am
Earthbound Immortal Squad wrote:I'm personally a pescatarian but I could very easily go vegetarian as I only have fish maybe once a week, if that, and I have it mainly because I like the taste. I've been that as long as I can remember.Satuga wrote:I'm a meat eater, hell I had taco's yesterday. One thing I always find stupid is some people who think that if you eat meat you are evil or something. Like most meat eaters would look at the gross practices in slaughter factories and say "Yeah that needs to change" and instead of vegetarians or vegans trying to support those people in order to give animals a more comfortable life, a lot(not all) instead say that meat eaters are evil bastards who don't care about animals because we eat them. Like what? You can still eat an animal while respecting it and giving it a comfortable life.I personally have nothing against full omnivores. Only when they start preaching about how horrible the killing of animals but are then are happy to have their steak later. I remember that was rife during the horse meat scandal in the UK some years back. But for your second point I would say that most vegetarians don't fit into what you say but more vegans instead. My reasoning being, and feel free to say what you like about this, but veganism is a fad plain and simple. It's rise to popularity came from people either wanting to alleviate their conscious or to appear as part of a trend. The same could be argued about vegetarians, though vegetarianism has been going for far longer and didn't suddenly boom like vegans. I also find that people who are part of fads sometimes like to think they are better than others who are not which is quite frankly a despicable practice which I have seen countless times.
Last thing, this title is quite misleading as you say this is the vegetarian thread but being a vegetarian and being a vegan are very different things.
by Dakini » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:21 pm
by Dakini » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:30 pm
Aeritai wrote:Opinions on Vegan Burgers? I'm not a Vegetarian myself, but I am curious to what Vegetarians think about Vegan Burgers like the Impossible Whopper from Burger King.
by Southern Avarsarstan » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:34 pm
by Australian rePublic » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:34 pm
The Allied Tribe wrote:As you probably know, the amount of vegetarians (and vegans) is slightly increasing. The usual goal of a vegetarian is to help the environment and to encourage other people to quit their meat-eating ways.
However, there are different kinds of vegetarians, and there are other forms of debatable types of them. Examples are pescatarians and pollotarians, who, in the opinions of most people (including me), are not vegetarians because they eat a form of meat.
Also, most people tend to be omnivores, who some vegetarians greatly despise.
The main problem with most vegetarians, however, is that there are people with very meat-heavy diets, who tend to be dehydrated and have weak bones
But they also forget about the environment and that animals still have feelings.
by USS Monitor » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:48 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Also, most people tend to be omnivores, who some vegetarians greatly despise.
We despise vegeterians too. It goes both ways.
by Outer Sparta » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:51 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:The Allied Tribe wrote:As you probably know, the amount of vegetarians (and vegans) is slightly increasing. The usual goal of a vegetarian is to help the environment and to encourage other people to quit their meat-eating ways.
And this is why people despise vegetarians (well vegans). What I eat has nothing to do with you. I don't tell you what to eat, don't tell me what to eat. I'm nor convinced about the environmental argument either. I also very much doubt we could sustain global world population on a plant-based dietHowever, there are different kinds of vegetarians, and there are other forms of debatable types of them. Examples are pescatarians and pollotarians, who, in the opinions of most people (including me), are not vegetarians because they eat a form of meat.
Don't care what you eat. Don't care what floats your boat, just keep out of my lagoonAlso, most people tend to be omnivores, who some vegetarians greatly despise.
We despise vegeterians too. It goes both ways.The main problem with most vegetarians, however, is that there are people with very meat-heavy diets, who tend to be dehydrated and have weak bones
Here we go with this eating meat is bad for your health. I call bullshit on that, but even assuming it was true, this is none of your business either wayBut they also forget about the environment and that animals still have feelings.
Oh sweetheart, nobody "forgets" about the environment or "animals have feelings". Nobody eats meat because "duh huh dying animal fun"- well, okay, maybe there's a few nut jobs out there, but the vast majority of people out there don't. Also, as said earlier, I'm not convinced about the environmental benefits of a vegeterian lifestyle, but let's, for argument sake, assume they're true. Nobody eats meat because "duh huh, killing planet fun". Okay, once again, maybe a few nut jobs, but most people don't. Most people recognise that killing animals (and the environment) is an unfortunate but necassery evil
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