Vegetarian Discussion Thread

[The New California Republic]

Only animals I eat are fish. Besides that, most of my diet consists of vegetables and rice

That’s a pescatarian diet. Most people, including myself, don’t think that’s a vegetarian diet, but I guess that’s still close enough.

Yeah I also would not class a pescetarian diet as being a subset of vegetarianism, due to a fish being an animal, and not a fruit, vegetable, fungus, or animal product such as milk.

[Dakini]

How exactly does being vegan help the environment?

For starters, the carbon emissions associated with meat and dairy are way higher than those associated with other protein sources.

That's not even factoring in land and water usage (including the land and water used to grow crops such as soy which are then fed to the animals).

[Dakini]

Vegetarianism - no problem, it is a natural and historically attested diet that avoids many of the consequences of a meat-heavy diet that supplements with efficient products of agriculture like milk and eggs.

Veganism, though I have a problem with - if your diet requires you to take man-made vitamin supplements to prevent serious diseases of malnutrition to the point of potentially killing a child there is something seriously wrong with it. Like it or not, humans are omnivores and have adapted to a mixed diet of plant and animal products, even if those animal products do not require killing and consuming the animal in question. A strict vegan diet would be a death sentence from scurvy, beriberi or a host of other ailments before modern vitamins became available in the 20th century.

It's true that a vegan diet isn't attainable for babies and young children, in fact a vegan diet is very dangerous and will kill them. People that are fully grown can be vegans, though finding ways of getting enough vitamin B12 will be a challenge.

It's not really a challenge to take a supplement or eat fortified foods. Most older adults should be supplementing B12 as well, regardless of whether they eat meat.

[Outer Sparta]

How exactly does being vegan help the environment?

For starters, the carbon emissions associated with meat and dairy are way higher than those associated with other protein sources.
That's not even factoring in land and water usage (including the land and water used to grow crops such as soy which are then fed to the animals).

In-vitro meat uses 99% less land, 96% less water, and 96% less carbon emissions than traditional meat production.

[SD_Film Artists]

I don't like to eat a lot of meat especially on-the-bone, but that's more to do with possibly OCD-related disgust rather than any idelogical leanings towards vegitarianism. I find a burger more appetising than a whole Turkey as the burger looks like 'food' where as the turkey looks like roadkill, even though I know that if cooked correctly the turkey is likely healthier than the burger.

I dislike the political element of veganism, especially the shock leaflets trying to guilt people into it; disusting and libellous.

I agree with the French government that sausages, burgers etc should only be called such if they're meat products.

[Sensorland]

I'm what you might call an "incredibly hypocritical lacto-ovo-vegetarian". Hypocritical in that I continue to append the "lacto-ovo-" bit to the "vegetarian" bit, despite my fully agreeing with vegans that consumption of dairy and egg products is immoral. I do intend to rectify this (I have been seriously reducing my intake of both, and I intend on becoming fully vegan this year), but for now, I am an utter hypocrite.

[The Allied Tribe]

I'm what you might call an "incredibly hypocritical lacto-ovo-vegetarian". Hypocritical in that I continue to append the "lacto-ovo-" bit to the "vegetarian" bit, despite my fully agreeing with vegans that consumption of dairy and egg products is immoral. I do intend to rectify this (I have been seriously reducing my intake of both, and I intend on becoming fully vegan this year), but for now, I am an utter hypocrite.

There’s never been a stranger hypocrite.

[The Alma Mater]

For starters, the carbon emissions associated with meat and dairy are way higher than those associated with other protein sources.
That's not even factoring in land and water usage (including the land and water used to grow crops such as soy which are then fed to the animals).

In-vitro meat uses 99% less land, 96% less water, and 96% less carbon emissions than traditional meat production.

True, but people think that's icky. If an animal has not suffered for it, it is not real meat after all.

[Risottia]

I am a lacto vegetarian, because I think that it is a way to help the environment by taking out meat, eggs, leather, and rennet, while it still has milk, honey, and cheese, which most people like to eat.

Actual cheese needs rennet to be made.

[The Allied Tribe]

I am a lacto vegetarian, because I think that it is a way to help the environment by taking out meat, eggs, leather, and rennet, while it still has milk, honey, and cheese, which most people like to eat.

Actual cheese needs rennet to be made.

You don’t need “actual” cheese though, do you?

[Risottia]

Actual cheese needs rennet to be made.

You don’t need “actual” cheese though, do you?

Define "need".
If you want to eat industrial processed quasi-cheese, I guess chemical substitutes for rennet are available.
If you want to eat healthy, traditional PDO cheese such as Parmigiano Reggiano...

[Bombadil]

You don’t need “actual” cheese though, do you?

Define "need".
If you want to eat industrial processed quasi-cheese, I guess chemical substitutes for rennet are available.
If you want to eat healthy, traditional PDO cheese such as Parmigiano Reggiano...

When I was tootling around India back in the day I came across pineapple juice in a can that proudly proclaimed 'no natural ingredients contained!'

[Risottia]

Define "need".
If you want to eat industrial processed quasi-cheese, I guess chemical substitutes for rennet are available.
If you want to eat healthy, traditional PDO cheese such as Parmigiano Reggiano...

When I was tootling around India back in the day I came across pineapple juice in a can that proudly proclaimed 'no natural ingredients contained!'

Lovely. I wonder if that counts as "vegetarian"...

[Bombadil]

When I was tootling around India back in the day I came across pineapple juice in a can that proudly proclaimed 'no natural ingredients contained!'

Lovely. I wonder if that counts as "vegetarian"...

Dunno, kept my motorbike running for three days though.

[The Grims]

Lovely. I wonder if that counts as "vegetarian"...

Dunno, kept my motorbike running for three days though.

That does imply it contained dead dinosaur.

[Imperial Joseon]

I drank soy milk and ate salads with chicken breasts for seven days, and then quit. SImply, it was quite hard for me to become a vegetarian. I don't think I can replicate this kind of habit.

[The Allied Tribe]

I drank soy milk and ate salads with chicken breasts for seven days, and then quit. SImply, it was quite hard for me to become a vegetarian. I don't think I can replicate this kind of habit.

Some villages need meat to survive, and you don't live in those I'm guessing. However, you may be one of those people who like meat, and almost everybody here believes they would be suffering as a vegetarian.

[The Grims]

I drank soy milk and ate salads with chicken breasts for seven days, and then quit. SImply, it was quite hard for me to become a vegetarian. I don't think I can replicate this kind of habit.

Some villages need meat to survive, and you don't live in those I'm guessing. However, you may be one of those people who like meat, and almost everybody here believes they would be suffering as a vegetarian.

Of course, they are suffering now because some people insisted on buying meat from a chinese market.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

What do vegans think about vegan terror ?

[The Allied Tribe]

What do vegans think about vegan terror ?

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We are not vegans.

[The Alma Mater]

What do vegans think about vegan terror ?

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Not a vegan, but vandalism is bad.
Of course, people with huge knives being afraid of some cowardly graffiti sprayers and calling that an attack is a tad bit silly.
But they have that right.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

What do vegans think about vegan terror ?

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We are not vegans.

What do vegans think about vegan terror ?

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Not a vegan, but vandalism is bad.
Of course, people with huge knives being afraid of some cowardly graffiti sprayers and calling that an attack is a tad bit silly.
But they have that right.

Do you find the damage to private property right ? I think modern stunner are correct in slaughterhouses

[Third ZSeparatists]

We are not vegans.

Not a vegan, but vandalism is bad.
Of course, people with huge knives being afraid of some cowardly graffiti sprayers and calling that an attack is a tad bit silly.
But they have that right.

Do you find the damage to private property right ? I think modern stunner are correct in slaughterhouses

This thread is not meant for attacking vegetarians for not being vegan. Go and leave if you want to.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Do you find the damage to private property right ? I think modern stunner are correct in slaughterhouses

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This thread is not meant for attacking vegetarians for not being vegan. Go and leave if you want to.

I'm not attacking anyone I just want to understand the Veganazis who fight someone else's rightful choice. We all have to be free talk and we can never find the right way by fighting each other

[Northern Astra]

I'm what you might call an "incredibly hypocritical lacto-ovo-vegetarian". Hypocritical in that I continue to append the "lacto-ovo-" bit to the "vegetarian" bit, despite my fully agreeing with vegans that consumption of dairy and egg products is immoral. I do intend to rectify this (I have been seriously reducing my intake of both, and I intend on becoming fully vegan this year), but for now, I am an utter hypocrite.

I am actually in the same boat as you, but I am young and my family cooks most of my food, so becoming vegetarian is probably as far as I'll go, at least for a couple years. My grandmother (incidentally, a pescetarian) keeps chickens and they are free range. I would be comfortable eating eggs from that kind of source occasionally, but factory farms are highly unethical. I don't tell people they need to stop eating meat. When people ask why, I tell them I want to help the environment, which is true. It is also less offensive compared to talking about morals. I personally don't usually get tempted to eat meat. I barely miss it at all, so I'm glad I made the choice I did. I'm not suffering, and fewer animals are too.