On Bill Maher's proposed election strategies.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I don't think anyone other than SJWs and Clinton personality cultists genuinely believe the Democrats aren't also fucking over America.

Really my biggest disappointment I got out of the 2016 election, besides Trump winning, was the a lot of Democrats got the completely wrong idea on how to go about recovering from it, people who going "WELL IT WAS WRONG" are missing the point, there were a lot of formerly Democratic voters who didn't show up in 2016, and I think the best way to beat the Republicans would be to find out why and find out how to change that.

Let's find out why 40% of the country doesn't even vote anymore, last I checked. And I'll have to say it's likely because that 40% believes that neither party cares about them.

Huh, if only there were other parties they could vote for in lieu of not voting at all...

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Really my biggest disappointment I got out of the 2016 election, besides Trump winning, was the a lot of Democrats got the completely wrong idea on how to go about recovering from it, people who going "WELL IT WAS WRONG" are missing the point, there were a lot of formerly Democratic voters who didn't show up in 2016, and I think the best way to beat the Republicans would be to find out why and find out how to change that.

Let's find out why 40% of the country doesn't even vote anymore, last I checked. And I'll have to say it's likely because that 40% believes that neither party cares about them.

Huh, if only there were other parties they could vote for in lieu of not voting at all...

Welp, never thought I'd see the day I agree with Luna on something.

Seriously, voter apathy is worse than voting for the same shitstains over and over again. But no one is willing to take the chance on independents for some reason - not even the "I won't vote because it won't matter!" crowd.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The sparsely populated states are important producers of natural resources and agricultural products

Do they need to be, though? What's wrong with letting cities handle them? (Wuhan notwithstanding, it's not the only city to do urban agriculture and should not be thought to discredit it.)

As well, isn't this more of a case for giving people employed in those particular industries a disproportionate voice than for those who happen to be employed in those particular towns a disproportionate voice? It's not like everyone who lives in Washington DC can vote in Trump's impeachment trial.

[Atkemri]

I think it's time to accept that Trump will be in office for the next 8 years. Sure I support him and it might be easy enough for me to say that, but do the Democrats really have anything to stop him at this point? All their candidates are either meh, awful, Mike Bloomberg, or have a very specific base. Not only that, but the party is so awfully split at the moment that I'd be surprised if the supporters of each candidate went off and made their own party. No amount of mockery is going to stop Trump, he'll probably find a way to spit it right back in their face if it doesn't backfire wholesale. I'm looking forward to the events of the next election though, I have a feeling it'll have the same amount of clownery from 2016 when the team and the media see the Democratic candidate fail. Best of luck to you guys though, maybe I'm wrong

[Vetalia]

Do they need to be, though? What's wrong with letting cities handle them? (Wuhan notwithstanding, it's not the only city to do urban agriculture and should not be thought to discredit it.)

As well, isn't this more of a case for giving people employed in those particular industries a disproportionate voice than for those who happen to be employed in those particular towns a disproportionate voice? It's not like everyone who lives in Washington DC can vote in Trump's impeachment trial.

Because cities in the United States are often hundreds or even thousands of miles away from the source of their food and resources? California is the one exception but there is a shitload of tension between the rural areas of CA and the coastal cities. The biggest cities in those states are tiny compared to those in other states...and let's be honest, the sheer level of corruption that infests major cities in the US makes me very glad they have no say in what goes on outside their borders.

[Fahran]

As well, isn't this more of a case for giving people employed in those particular industries a disproportionate voice than for those who happen to be employed in those particular towns a disproportionate voice? It's not like everyone who lives in Washington DC can vote in Trump's impeachment trial.

The motivation was appeasing regional concerns enough to get states to ratify the Constitution. Nobody at that time believed in a direct popular vote for most federal offices.

[Vetalia]

I think it's time to accept that Trump will be in office for the next 8 years. Sure I support him and it might be easy enough for me to say that, but do the Democrats really have anything to stop him at this point? All their candidates are either meh, awful, Mike Bloomberg, or have a very specific base. Not only that, but the party is so awfully split at the moment that I'd be surprised if the supporters of each candidate went off and made their own party. No amount of mockery is going to stop Trump, he'll probably find a way to spit it right back in their face if it doesn't backfire wholesale. I'm looking forward to the events of the next election though, I have a feeling it'll have the same amount of clownery from 2016 when the team and the media see the Democratic candidate fail. Best of luck to you guys though, maybe I'm wrong

The next 8 years?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I think it's time to accept that Trump will be in office for the next 8 years. Sure I support him and it might be easy enough for me to say that, but do the Democrats really have anything to stop him at this point? All their candidates are either meh, awful, Mike Bloomberg, or have a very specific base. Not only that, but the party is so awfully split at the moment that I'd be surprised if the supporters of each candidate went off and made their own party. No amount of mockery is going to stop Trump, he'll probably find a way to spit it right back in their face if it doesn't backfire wholesale. I'm looking forward to the events of the next election though, I have a feeling it'll have the same amount of clownery from 2016 when the team and the media see the Democratic candidate fail. Best of luck to you guys though, maybe I'm wrong

The next 8 years?

O O F

[Fahran]

The next 8 years?

I imagine he/she meant four. And it's a bit preemptive to predict a Trump victory though he's going to have a strong hand going into the election in light of all the gaffes and enemies he's made.

[Atkemri]

I think it's time to accept that Trump will be in office for the next 8 years. Sure I support him and it might be easy enough for me to say that, but do the Democrats really have anything to stop him at this point? All their candidates are either meh, awful, Mike Bloomberg, or have a very specific base. Not only that, but the party is so awfully split at the moment that I'd be surprised if the supporters of each candidate went off and made their own party. No amount of mockery is going to stop Trump, he'll probably find a way to spit it right back in their face if it doesn't backfire wholesale. I'm looking forward to the events of the next election though, I have a feeling it'll have the same amount of clownery from 2016 when the team and the media see the Democratic candidate fail. Best of luck to you guys though, maybe I'm wrong

The next 8 years?

oof, I meant 4. I wouldn't look forward to the rise of God-Emperor Trump by any means

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The next 8 years?

I imagine he/she meant four. And it's a bit preemptive to predict a Trump victory though he's going to have a strong hand going into the election in light of all the gaffes and enemies he's made.

Whether he wins again or not depends entirely on whether or not the Republicans control the majority seats in the Electoral College or not.

[Vetalia]

The next 8 years?

oof, I meant 4. I wouldn't look forward to the rise of God-Emperor Trump by any means

Four more years of the Fifteen-Flush Fuhrer would be too much, let alone eight!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The next 8 years?

oof, I meant 4. I wouldn't look forward to the rise of God-Emperor Trump by any means

I was going to point out that 12 years is awfully short for the reign of a supposed "God-Emperor" but then I remembered Trump's in his 70s and isn't exactly a beacon of perfect health so 12 years is probably generous.

[Vetalia]

I imagine he/she meant four. And it's a bit preemptive to predict a Trump victory though he's going to have a strong hand going into the election in light of all the gaffes and enemies he's made.

Whether he wins again or not depends entirely on whether or not the Republicans control the majority seats in the Electoral College or not.

Not at all, the Democrats just need to campaign hard in the states Trump flipped in 2016 and they're golden. Unless the DNC rigs the selection to make Mike Bloomberg the candidate you're in good shape for a win in 2020.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Because cities in the United States are often hundreds or even thousands of miles away from the source of their food and resources?

You're missing the point. The question is why can't they grow some of that food; or trees for wood; within their city limits?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Whether he wins again or not depends entirely on whether or not the Republicans control the majority seats in the Electoral College or not.

Not at all, the Democrats just need to campaign hard in the states Trump flipped in 2016 and they're golden. Unless the DNC rigs the selection to make Mike Bloomberg the candidate you're in good shape for a win in 2020.

...Which would give them control of the Electoral College.

[Fahran]

As for the original post, I have a novel and innovative idea about how the DNC could win the presidential election. Run a candidate with broad appeal, address salient and concrete regional issues to reestablish traditional bastions of Democratic power, and appeal to voters who would otherwise remain at home. You keep telling us you're going to bring back FDR. Actually do it.

[Fahran]

Because cities in the United States are often hundreds or even thousands of miles away from the source of their food and resources?

You're missing the point. The question is why can't they grow some of that food; or trees for wood; within their city limits?

They can but not as efficiently.

[Vetalia]

Not at all, the Democrats just need to campaign hard in the states Trump flipped in 2016 and they're golden. Unless the DNC rigs the selection to make Mike Bloomberg the candidate you're in good shape for a win in 2020.

...Which would give them control of the Electoral College.

There is no "control" in the Electoral College and no "majority seats"...you win the state, you get the votes.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

...Which would give them control of the Electoral College.

There is no "control" in the Electoral College and no "majority seats"...you win the state, you get the votes.

Yes. You win the state, and you get the votes... in the Electoral College.

[New haven america]

No, they drafted the 3/5's compromise because even with the EC in place, the South still didn't have the type of voting power it wanted, so they threw another shit fit because the only way the North could see them having the voting power they wanted was to admit that slaves were actually human, which the South didn't want to do, so they made the 3/5's compromise as a way to keep the South from having another tantrum.

This is one of the more pernicious lies that left-wing opponents of the Electoral College have spread. The Southern planters on the whole would have preferred to allocate votes based solely on population with no advantages extended to small states like Rhode Island or New Jersey. You're essentially arguing against the New Jersey Plan, which was more favorable to the Midwest and New England, and in favor of the Virginia Plan, which was supported by Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, New York, and Pennsylvania, and somehow arriving at the conclusion that the compromise between these is what the pro-slavery faction in Congress wanted. It makes no sense when we look at the demography of these regions prior to the 1850's. The Electoral College was a compromise with the pro-slavery faction but the anti-slavery/pro-freedom alternative at the time was giving each state the same vote. A system that would have given Virginia the most power is hardly the anti-slavery system.

It's funny how most of America's modern day problems stem from trying to appease the Conservative Right-Wing population of the country, hm...

Hillary Clinton and Al Gore losing elections where everyone knows the rules isn't a salient problem on its own. Attempts to undermine our institutions to obtain a particular electoral outcome after the fact, on the other hand, will probably necessitate reform at some point as public faith in government is eroded.

That's cute.

Wrong, but cute.

[Vetalia]

Because cities in the United States are often hundreds or even thousands of miles away from the source of their food and resources?

You're missing the point. The question is why can't they grow some of that food; or trees for wood; within their city limits?

Depends, in some cities the land is too developed and pricey like in NYC but in others like Detroit or Cleveland...not going to happen.

The inner city outside of the gentrifying areas of Cleveland is a complete shithole in a ten mile radius along the east and south sides of the city. It's ghetto beyond belief, rampant crime, drugs, homicides, rapes. and abductions involving children, single-mother households dependent on welfare to survive with no father in the picture, kids getting shot...really, total hell on Earth. If you asked a single one of the able-bodied jackasses I see "hanging out" on the street corner heading to work in the morning on St. Clair to tend a garden or chop wood you'd get at best a 'fuck you'.

[Liriena]

Why are we taking election advice from a late night TV host?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why are we taking election advice from a late night TV host?

Welcome to the present US of A. Have a seat. Watch the shitshow unfold.

[Uiiop]

This is one of the more pernicious lies that left-wing opponents of the Electoral College have spread. The Southern planters on the whole would have preferred to allocate votes based solely on population with no advantages extended to small states like Rhode Island or New Jersey. You're essentially arguing against the New Jersey Plan, which was more favorable to the Midwest and New England, and in favor of the Virginia Plan, which was supported by Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, New York, and Pennsylvania, and somehow arriving at the conclusion that the compromise between these is what the pro-slavery faction in Congress wanted. It makes no sense when we look at the demography of these regions prior to the 1850's. The Electoral College was a compromise with the pro-slavery faction but the anti-slavery/pro-freedom alternative at the time was giving each state the same vote. A system that would have given Virginia the most power is hardly the anti-slavery system.


Hillary Clinton and Al Gore losing elections where everyone knows the rules isn't a salient problem on its own. Attempts to undermine our institutions to obtain a particular electoral outcome after the fact, on the other hand, will probably necessitate reform at some point as public faith in government is eroded.

That's cute.

Wrong, but cute.

IIRC the whole impact on slavery was more of a side benefit than actual core reasoning (I.E general distrust of the masses.).