Misconceptions or Questions about Islam and Muslims?

[Vallermoore]

2 Questions.

1-how does Islam as it is supposed to be (not the horrible jihadist/Islamic State twisted version of it) treat women?

2-What is Eid like? Do you have presents and feasting and decorations?

[Imperial Joseon]

Christians and Jews are considered “Ahlul Kitaab”, People of the Book. Islam respects all faiths, but you see more Islamic-Christian and Judeo-Islamic tolerance due to there being a lack of most other religions in the Arabian peninsula and its surrounding areas at the time. In Surah al-Kafirun, the Qur’ân says, “Lakum deenakum wa li yadin” which means, “You have your faith/beliefs and I will have mine.”

Zoroastrians, Arab Jews, and Polythesitic Arabs disagree.

Hell, Islam's most important and sacred artifact, the Kaaba, wasn't originally Islamic, it was Polytheistic and created by the Nabataeans for the God Habul.

Are you Islam or Muslim?

[Insaanistan]

Chess Manuals

I'd have to check HJR Murray to be perfectly exact but iirc Arab/Muslim students of the Royal Game did systematize the openings and collected many problems. But it was the Italians who developed and introduced the modern game, turning the elephant (al-fil) from al-shatranj (and the earlier Indian chaturanga), that jumped into the second square diagonally, into the bishop that controlled all squares on the diagonal and the vizir, with a diagonal one-square move, into the powerful Queen that we know and love.

But does anyone play the old al-shatranj any more? And is chessplaying strictly halal? Again iirc there was some controversy about that.

I don’t think that version is played anymore. And chess itself isn’t haram, but some people would let prayer time pass to continue the game, which is where I think the controversy comes from.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Yes, the Ethiopians had it for a while but then Yemen was transferred to Persia.

As fatback as I know, Yemen was never Persian. There were Abyssinians there, but not Persians.

I think he's confusing it with Oman.

Zoroastrians, Arab Jews, and Polythesitic Arabs disagree.

Hell, Islam's most important and sacred artifact, the Kaaba, wasn't originally Islamic, it was Polytheistic and created by the Nabataeans for the God Habul.

That is not so. Even according to pagan tradition, it was always believed according to Arab oral traditions as said by the Quraish themselves, even before converting to Islam, Abraham and Ishmael built the kaaba. The only other written book that talks of Abraham being a monotheist before the Quran is the book of Genesis in the Bible, and Ishmael is said to have founded the tribes of Kedar through his son with the same name.

Though Trollzyn and myself will have different historical interpretations on this subject, we do agree with Abraham was a prophet.

I'd really like to hear an explanation on why Abraham - who lived in Israel - would've traveled several hundred miles south to some random Arabian city in the middle of the desert to build a big black box for God. This is one of the theological problems I have with Islam: it's claims of continuity with Christianity and Judaism make no damn sense.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

As fatback as I know, Yemen was never Persian. There were Abyssinians there, but not Persians.

What about the Sasanian period?

Wait, no, you're right. The Sasanians did own a bit of Yemen.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As fatback as I know, Yemen was never Persian. There were Abyssinians there, but not Persians.

I think he's confusing it with Oman.

That is not so. Even according to pagan tradition, it was always believed according to Arab oral traditions as said by the Quraish themselves, even before converting to Islam, Abraham and Ishmael built the kaaba. The only other written book that talks of Abraham being a monotheist before the Quran is the book of Genesis in the Bible, and Ishmael is said to have founded the tribes of Kedar through his son with the same name.

Though Trollzyn and myself will have different historical interpretations on this subject, we do agree with Abraham was a prophet.

I'd really like to hear an explanation on why Abraham - who lived in Israel - would've traveled several hundred miles south to some random Arabian city in the middle of the desert to build a big black box for God. This is one of the theological problems I have with Islam: it's claims of continuity with Christianity and Judaism make no damn sense.

It seems that the southern portion of Yemen was under Persian rule and there was a war to reclaim the region. The Aksumite-Persian war.

[Jolthig]

2 Questions.

1-how does Islam as it is supposed to be (not the horrible jihadist/Islamic State twisted version of it) treat women?

Women are treated well in Islam. Did you know that the Quran holds Mary, the mother of Jesus (peace on him), and the mother of Moses to high standards because both of them were mothers to great prophets and they received divine revelation?

Further, women, are granted protections from slander, ridicule, and mockery. Although people say the hijab is a form of oppression for muslim women, talk to any devoted Muslim woman, especially from my community and they will tell you the hijab actually empowers them because it protects them from people staring at them inappropriately.

Islam also heavily encourages believers to look up to their mothers as they bore us with pain and we should serve them to the best of our abilities. Women are not sex objects, but the embodiment of what it is to be a human in Islam.

2-What is Eid like? Do you have presents and feasting and decorations?

Eid is like our equivalent of Christmas or Hannukah.

There are two eids:

1. Eid-ul-Fitr, the eid celebrated immediately after Ramadan ends.
2. Eid-ul-Adha, the eid celebrating the Hajj (Pilgramage)

On these days, muslims gather together to hear a sermon, reminding them of their duties and how to worship. Muslims give one another gifts and give each other hugs. They are blessed days.

Hope this helps!

[Insaanistan]

2 Questions.

1-how does Islam as it is supposed to be (not the horrible jihadist/Islamic State twisted version of it) treat women?

2-What is Eid like? Do you have presents and feasting and decorations?

1. Islam is a peaceful religion. We have rules and dietary restrictions, but are anti-racism, Pro-women’s rights, and only attack when attacked. Women are equal to men.

2. There are two Eids: Eid al Adha and Eid al Fitr. Eid al Fitr comes first, and it is a feast after the fasting of Ramadhaan. Eid al Adha is where we kill and animal in honor of Abraham’s devotion to God (Long story). There are decorations and presents a lot of the time. I don’t really get much of the family vibe, because apart from my parents and my little brother, we had no Muslim relatives in the US (we had some relatives, but they are all from a Christian tribe that my grandma was part of, though she converted to Islam).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What about the Sasanian period?

Wait, no, you're right. The Sasanians did own a bit of Yemen.

Yep. And there was a re-conquest of Southern Yemen by the Sasanians.

[Insaanistan]

As fatback as I know, Yemen was never Persian. There were Abyssinians there, but not Persians.

I think he's confusing it with Oman.

That is not so. Even according to pagan tradition, it was always believed according to Arab oral traditions as said by the Quraish themselves, even before converting to Islam, Abraham and Ishmael built the kaaba. The only other written book that talks of Abraham being a monotheist before the Quran is the book of Genesis in the Bible, and Ishmael is said to have founded the tribes of Kedar through his son with the same name.

Though Trollzyn and myself will have different historical interpretations on this subject, we do agree with Abraham was a prophet.

I'd really like to hear an explanation on why Abraham - who lived in Israel - would've traveled several hundred miles south to some random Arabian city in the middle of the desert to build a big black box for God. This is one of the theological problems I have with Islam: it's claims of continuity with Christianity and Judaism make no damn sense.

Oh yeah, definitely no chance that a man devoted to and chosen by God would do what God said because it was hard. Are you listening to yourself? I don’t mean to be rude, but Abraham was a Prophet, and if God sends an angel to tell you to do something, you should probably do it.

[Insaanistan]

Wait, no, you're right. The Sasanians did own a bit of Yemen.

Yep. And there was a re-conquest of Southern Yemen by the Sasanians.

Well, the more you know!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yep. And there was a re-conquest of Southern Yemen by the Sasanians.

Well, the more you know!

Studying some history helps. *nod*

[Rojava Free State]

Yeah, I'll have to agree with Trollzyn here. The Zoroastrians are considered part of the People of the Book since they have the Avesta with them.

Persia, for a while had Yemen as their province before the Arabs took it over if I remember correctly.

I was referring more to the fact that Zoroastrians got shafted pretty hard when the Islamic conquests of Persia ended despite being in the same general vicinity as Jews and Christians to Arabia.

There's still some zoroastrians in Iran today. It technically is a protected religion

[Insaanistan]

Well, the more you know!

Studying some history helps. *nod*

Not knowing one empire controlled one specific area doesn’t mean I don’t study history, if that’s what you are implying.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I think he's confusing it with Oman.



I'd really like to hear an explanation on why Abraham - who lived in Israel - would've traveled several hundred miles south to some random Arabian city in the middle of the desert to build a big black box for God. This is one of the theological problems I have with Islam: it's claims of continuity with Christianity and Judaism make no damn sense.

Oh yeah, definitely no chance that a man devoted to and chosen by God would do what God said because it was hard. Are you listening to yourself? I don’t mean to be rude, but Abraham was a Prophet, and if God sends an angel to tell you to do something, you should probably do it.

Please point out where in Pre-Islamic Jewish or Christian texts it mentions Abraham going to Arabia on God's instruction to build a shrine there.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Studying some history helps. *nod*

Not knowing one empire controlled one specific area doesn’t mean I don’t study history, if that’s what you are implying.

Nope. Not what I’m implying at all. I’m saying that I know that bit because I studied history a little, which helped me with that detail. Nothing more.

[Rojava Free State]

As fatback as I know, Yemen was never Persian. There were Abyssinians there, but not Persians.

I think he's confusing it with Oman.

That is not so. Even according to pagan tradition, it was always believed according to Arab oral traditions as said by the Quraish themselves, even before converting to Islam, Abraham and Ishmael built the kaaba. The only other written book that talks of Abraham being a monotheist before the Quran is the book of Genesis in the Bible, and Ishmael is said to have founded the tribes of Kedar through his son with the same name.

Though Trollzyn and myself will have different historical interpretations on this subject, we do agree with Abraham was a prophet.

I'd really like to hear an explanation on why Abraham - who lived in Israel - would've traveled several hundred miles south to some random Arabian city in the middle of the desert to build a big black box for God. This is one of the theological problems I have with Islam: it's claims of continuity with Christianity and Judaism make no damn sense.

Hey man, at least it doesn't have the continuity of kingdom hearts, or even worse, of the sonichu franchise

[New haven america]

I think he's confusing it with Oman.



I'd really like to hear an explanation on why Abraham - who lived in Israel - would've traveled several hundred miles south to some random Arabian city in the middle of the desert to build a big black box for God. This is one of the theological problems I have with Islam: it's claims of continuity with Christianity and Judaism make no damn sense.

Oh yeah, definitely no chance that a man devoted to and chosen by God would do what God said because it was hard. Are you listening to yourself? I don’t mean to be rude, but Abraham was a Prophet, and if God sends an angel to tell you to do something, you should probably do it.

There's no Jewish or Christian text that says Abraham went to Arabia.

Not even Moses went that far south, and he was wandering around the desert for 40 years.

[Insaanistan]

Oh yeah, definitely no chance that a man devoted to and chosen by God would do what God said because it was hard. Are you listening to yourself? I don’t mean to be rude, but Abraham was a Prophet, and if God sends an angel to tell you to do something, you should probably do it.

Please point out where in Pre-Islamic Jewish or Christian texts it mentions Abraham going to Arabia on God's instruction to build a shrine there.

Did you even read what I said? I never said Christianity or Judaism said that (though I wouldn’t be surprised if they did). I’m saying, if your a prophet of God, you do what God says, or you end up in a whale.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I was referring more to the fact that Zoroastrians got shafted pretty hard when the Islamic conquests of Persia ended despite being in the same general vicinity as Jews and Christians to Arabia.

There's still some zoroastrians in Iran today. It technically is a protected religion

A measly 25,000. There are more Zoroastrians in India than in their traditional homeland. Never mind the theocratic government doesn't give a damn about them or any other non-Shi'ites and has been heavily persecuted since the Islamic conquest which continues to this very day. The same goes for Christians and Jews in Islamic countries, as well. It seems being a "protected religion" in Islamic scripture doesn't amount to much in actual practice.

[US-SSR]

I'd have to check HJR Murray to be perfectly exact but iirc Arab/Muslim students of the Royal Game did systematize the openings and collected many problems. But it was the Italians who developed and introduced the modern game, turning the elephant (al-fil) from al-shatranj (and the earlier Indian chaturanga), that jumped into the second square diagonally, into the bishop that controlled all squares on the diagonal and the vizir, with a diagonal one-square move, into the powerful Queen that we know and love.

But does anyone play the old al-shatranj any more? And is chessplaying strictly halal? Again iirc there was some controversy about that.

I don’t think that version is played anymore. And chess itself isn’t haram, but some people would let prayer time pass to continue the game, which is where I think the controversy comes from.

I can see that, it can be an absorbing pastime. So the controversy these days must be mostly about players like young Grandmaster Alireza Firouzja from Iran, who just turned in a creditable performance in Wijk an See, but is currently living in France and competing under the FIDE banner because he wants to play Israelis too.

[Insaanistan]

Genesis 13 and 18
13And Abraham went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, towards the south.

18 Then Abraham removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the Lord.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Genesis 13 and 18
13And Abraham went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, towards the south.

18 Then Abraham removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the Lord.

Hebron is just 30km from Jerusalem, though.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Please point out where in Pre-Islamic Jewish or Christian texts it mentions Abraham going to Arabia on God's instruction to build a shrine there.

Did you even read what I said? I never said Christianity or Judaism said that (though I wouldn’t be surprised if they did). I’m saying, if your a prophet of God, you do what God says, or you end up in a whale.

Did you even read what I said? You're talking about Abraham being given instruction by God to build a shrine hundreds of miles from the Promised Land. That seems like something Pre-Islamic Jewish and Christian theologians would've mentioned. It'd be a bit weird if they didn't. So again: please point out where any Jewish or Christian writers from the Pre-Islamic eras mentioned this trip to Arabia. Because it sounds to me like he was on a mission to convert the Arabs to Judaism, but I don't recall any such proselytizing being mentioned before by either Christian or Jewish scholars. Considering the Jews didn't do much proselytizing and still really don't, that just raises more doubts on the legitimacy of such a story being remotely plausible.

[Insaanistan]

There's still some zoroastrians in Iran today. It technically is a protected religion

A measly 25,000. There are more Zoroastrians in India than in their traditional homeland. Never mind the theocratic government doesn't give a damn about them or any other non-Shi'ites and has been heavily persecuted since the Islamic conquest which continues to this very day. The same goes for Christians and Jews in Islamic countries, as well. It seems being a "protected religion" in Islamic scripture doesn't amount to much in actual practice.

Oh yeah, let’s blame about 2 billion people for the actions of a minority of their population claiming to know exactly what their doing. Makes total sense.
Please, just because a totalitarian government does something, doesn’t mean it’s supposed to do that.