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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:18 pm

You've heard of sleeping with sirens but have you heard of sleeping with socialists?

I really want someone to make a progressive metalcore band with this name
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:22 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yep.

Ok.
Because I remember him condemning a 16 year old rapist on the show.

That's because that rapist was male.

You get a female teacher who rapes a 14 year old boy, and putting her in jail is literally unamerican according to Cenk.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:26 pm

Galloism wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Ok.
Because I remember him condemning a 16 year old rapist on the show.

That's because that rapist was male.

You get a female teacher who rapes a 14 year old boy, and putting her in jail is literally unamerican according to Cenk.


People often ask me how I would feel if a woman made unexpected sexual advances on me, and while I myself would probably brag about it the next day, I know many men who wouldn't be cool with it

It isn't anyone's say as to what counts as unwanted advances except for the victim, and that goes for whether they're a man or a woman
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Saranidia » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Ok.
Because I remember him condemning a 16 year old rapist on the show.

That's because that rapist was male.

You get a female teacher who rapes a 14 year old boy, and putting her in jail is literally unamerican according to Cenk.

How did they rape him?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:28 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's because that rapist was male.

You get a female teacher who rapes a 14 year old boy, and putting her in jail is literally unamerican according to Cenk.

How did they rape him?


Rape as in forced him to have sex against his will or by coercion.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:28 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's because that rapist was male.

You get a female teacher who rapes a 14 year old boy, and putting her in jail is literally unamerican according to Cenk.


People often ask me how I would feel if a woman made unexpected sexual advances on me, and while I myself would probably brag about it the next day, I know many men who wouldn't be cool with it

It isn't anyone's say as to what counts as unwanted advances except for the victim, and that goes for whether they're a man or a woman

I would consider any teacher having sex with a 14 year old as a rapist, regardless of how the 14 year old feels about it. They aren't in a position and don't have the capability to consent to that type of coercive power disparity.

The state has a vested interest in protecting minors.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Saranidia » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:29 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Saranidia wrote:
How did they rape him?


Rape as in forced him to have sex against his will or by coercion.

Am I the only person who hasn’t read of this example?
Mostly represents my views but what I think a Middle Eastern nation should do which will be sometimes different to what I think a western nation should do(because the people have different needs in different places)

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Copy this into your sig if you know sex and gender are different and did not fail biology.

RIP grandpa kitchen

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:29 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's because that rapist was male.

You get a female teacher who rapes a 14 year old boy, and putting her in jail is literally unamerican according to Cenk.

How did they rape him?

By having sex with him without his consent.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:31 pm

Galloism wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
People often ask me how I would feel if a woman made unexpected sexual advances on me, and while I myself would probably brag about it the next day, I know many men who wouldn't be cool with it

It isn't anyone's say as to what counts as unwanted advances except for the victim, and that goes for whether they're a man or a woman

I would consider any teacher having sex with a 14 year old as a rapist, regardless of how the 14 year old feels about it. They aren't in a position and don't have the capability to consent to that type of coercive power disparity.

The state has a vested interest in protecting minors.


I'm talking about me as of the present day, not me as a kid. if you're like 30 and wanna screw a 13 year old, something is really messed up with you as a person
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:32 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Rape as in forced him to have sex against his will or by coercion.

Am I the only person who hasn’t read of this example?


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or legit think this is some new definition of rape
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:32 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Rape as in forced him to have sex against his will or by coercion.

Am I the only person who hasn’t read of this example?

I'll give you a video - from the horse's mouth.

https://youtu.be/E35Pg4HSqzM
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Saranidia » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Am I the only person who hasn’t read of this example?

I'll give you a video - from the horse's mouth.

https://youtu.be/E35Pg4HSqzM

Where did rape come into it(only watched the start). Still the the minimum age for sex should be 16.
That said Cenk objectifies women(not in that video but in other things) and says things against Nissan.
Mostly represents my views but what I think a Middle Eastern nation should do which will be sometimes different to what I think a western nation should do(because the people have different needs in different places)

Vote Lisa Nandy

Copy this into your sig if you know sex and gender are different and did not fail biology.

RIP grandpa kitchen

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:55 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Am I the only person who hasn’t read of this example?


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or legit think this is some new definition of rape

An adult having sex with a minor is considered rape (especiallyb in a student teacher relationship). Even if the kid wants it the adult is suppose to have the brains to say no.
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Postby Saranidia » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:56 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Am I the only person who hasn’t read of this example?


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or legit think this is some new definition of rape


I am being Socratic
Mostly represents my views but what I think a Middle Eastern nation should do which will be sometimes different to what I think a western nation should do(because the people have different needs in different places)

Vote Lisa Nandy

Copy this into your sig if you know sex and gender are different and did not fail biology.

RIP grandpa kitchen

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Postby Saranidia » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:59 pm

An adult having sex with a minor is considered rape

1- oh it’s considered to be such.
That means it must be true.

(especially in a student teacher relationship).

So it’s just slightly rape otherwise?
Or it’s even more rape(even completely rape in those cases)?

Even if the kid wants it the adult is suppose to have the brains to say no.

I agree but there is a difference between saying “she should say no to that student.” And “if she say yes it is rape” per se.
Intellectually you know what I mean.
Saying something is not rape doesn’t mean you agree with it or even think it should be legal.
Last edited by Saranidia on Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mostly represents my views but what I think a Middle Eastern nation should do which will be sometimes different to what I think a western nation should do(because the people have different needs in different places)

Vote Lisa Nandy

Copy this into your sig if you know sex and gender are different and did not fail biology.

RIP grandpa kitchen

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:06 pm

Saranidia wrote:
An adult having sex with a minor is considered rape

1- oh it’s considered to be such.
That means it must be true.

(especially in a student teacher relationship).

So it’s just slightly rape otherwise?
Or it’s even more rape(even completely rape in those cases)?

Even if the kid wants it the adult is suppose to have the brains to say no.

I agree but there is a difference between saying “she should say no to that student.” And “if she say yes it is rape” per se.
Intellectually you know what I mean.
Saying something is not rape doesn’t mean you agree with it or even think it should be legal.

Law says its rape.

I am not quite sure what you mean by more rape or completely rape. I dont know if it's a poor attempt at sarcasm or referring to lesser sexual assault charges.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:51 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'll give you a video - from the horse's mouth.

https://youtu.be/E35Pg4HSqzM

Where did rape come into it(only watched the start). Still the the minimum age for sex should be 16.
That said Cenk objectifies women(not in that video but in other things) and says things against Nissan.

Kid in question is 14. She raped a kid. He defended it. Even by your own standard of 16, she raped him.
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Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Diopolis » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:23 pm

Andsed wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes there is, namely that it is disgusting, spreads disease, etc. The people who do this are morally outrageous degenerates who should be ostracized from polite society until they repent of it.

Utterly ridiculous. Yes it can be seen as irresponsible and if you have an STD and do not tell your partners then you are kind of a scumbag. But there is nothing wrong with having casual sex. Look man if you don´t like sex than whatever but don´t try and push this kind of nonsense that your a bad person for having consensual sex with others.

Well, no. Social norms are little more than the actions of large numbers of people. It's entirely possible to think there's nothing wrong with having casual sex on an individual level while also being highly opposed to a social norm of promiscuity and casual sex and therefore holding it to be an issue.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:25 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Andsed wrote:Utterly ridiculous. Yes it can be seen as irresponsible and if you have an STD and do not tell your partners then you are kind of a scumbag. But there is nothing wrong with having casual sex. Look man if you don´t like sex than whatever but don´t try and push this kind of nonsense that your a bad person for having consensual sex with others.

Well, no. Social norms are little more than the actions of large numbers of people. It's entirely possible to think there's nothing wrong with having casual sex on an individual level while also being highly opposed to a social norm of promiscuity and casual sex and therefore holding it to be an issue.


So do as I say, not as I do?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Diopolis » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:28 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Well, no. Social norms are little more than the actions of large numbers of people. It's entirely possible to think there's nothing wrong with having casual sex on an individual level while also being highly opposed to a social norm of promiscuity and casual sex and therefore holding it to be an issue.


So do as I say, not as I do?

I would hold it hypocritical to have casual sex while also being opposed to a social norm of a hookup culture. But basically my argument is that a hookup culture can't coexist forever with a culture of committed monogamy, and that if you strongly support a culture of committed monogamy, then you're justified in opposing casual sex because it contributes to a hookup culture.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:39 pm

Gormwood wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Consent is necessary, but not sufficient, for sex. There must also be love and loyalty. Sex should not be merely a recreational practice, as this demeans it.

So only sappy Harlequin Romance novel sex is allowed?

That sex still seems recreational.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:44 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So only sappy Harlequin Romance novel sex is allowed?

That sex still seems recreational.


Let's be real here for a second. There is nothing hotter than having a chick around who you aren't particularly close with but who still is giving up the head.

I tried the romance approach. Maybe it works for some people, and good for them, but while I may notice certain character traits about a woman that I like or respect, I don't really get into these deep feelings anymore. Idk, I'm also the guy who gets severe injuries like a nail through my foot or a fractured knee or a collapse lung and I don't even bother going to the hospital, so don't take my word for whether casual sex is good or not without a grain of salt. Make up your own mind in the end
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:46 pm

Gormwood wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Consent is necessary, but not sufficient, for sex. There must also be love and loyalty. Sex should not be merely a recreational practice, as this demeans it.

So only sappy Harlequin Romance novel sex is allowed?


There's two portrayals of sex that you find in pop culture and that is the one you listed and porn. Reality is halfway in between the two
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:14 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That sex still seems recreational.


Let's be real here for a second. There is nothing hotter than having a chick around who you aren't particularly close with but who still is giving up the head.

I don't get the appeal tbh. It just sounds gross to me. Offensive in a hostile way.
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:17 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That sex still seems recreational.


Let's be real here for a second. There is nothing hotter than having a chick around who you aren't particularly close with but who still is giving up the head.

I tried the romance approach. Maybe it works for some people, and good for them, but while I may notice certain character traits about a woman that I like or respect, I don't really get into these deep feelings anymore. Idk, I'm also the guy who gets severe injuries like a nail through my foot or a fractured knee or a collapse lung and I don't even bother going to the hospital, so don't take my word for whether casual sex is good or not without a grain of salt. Make up your own mind in the end

That sounds disgusting. Although, to be fair, a woman you know won't have sex with you but who has a strong romantic attraction still feels amazing to be around.
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