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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:08 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:A rising tide lifts all boats.


This never happened, however. Some people benefited and many more didn't or got left behind. So clearly, it is better to just embrace inequalities if it is inevitable.

It makes sense, it's just that the corruption inherent in capitalism often makes it such that it doesn't function that way in reality. But in principle, neoliberalism should work.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:11 pm

Ifreann wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm not angry. I just think the major is propaganda.

You must be a big believer in the notion of ignorance being bliss.


Saiwania wrote:
If my worldview is wrong, it is because its impossible for everyone to benefit from government policy. Any system by its very nature, is going to have winners and losers.

A rising tide lifts all boats.


TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
The American school system isn't stolen from nineteenth-century Prussian military academies by accident. The purpose of schooling is to prepare children for jobs. It is meant to provide them with life skills and things they need to know. My taxpayer dollars should be teaching children to read, write, do arithmatic, balance a budget, and understand how their government works. (Civics, man! Do more civics!)

I also support science education, as it exposes religious children to the majesty of God's Creation , and all children to critical thinking (and STEM).

Teaching children to love to learn, love to read, and things like that are the job of the parents. Fun stuff, like the arts, is for parents. Remember them? There was a time when parents were supposed to expose children to the finer things in life, teach them to appreciate the world around them, give them books to read and crayons to draw...

We rely on the state too much. If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

Tell me, how much do you know about the arts? How much time have you spent studying the arts? Because you can't teach what you don't know. If all you know about the arts the stuff everyone picks up through pop cultural osmosis, if you think that giving a child a crayon constitutes an education in the arts, then you can't really teach your child about the arts.

Piss off.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:11 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:There's often a lot of talk about how to improve the education system in the US. Personally, there's one simple idea we can start with. Stop forcing classes on students that have nothing to do with their chosen field of study, or have little real world application like art or humanities. Not only would it save them time and money, but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes. What say you NSG?

The humanities are useful when you're interested in not being a complete dumbass. The idea that education should be purely about real-world application is a cancer upon education. Imo we'd be better off forcing STEM into trade schools where it belongs, though it won't matter, in thirty years, STEM majors will be replaced by computers.


I am still laughing at the idea of a class in high school for filling out your tax forms.

STEM is fine where it is. If you are not interested in an early age; you won’t be by trade school. Even then a trade school is a different mindset.

Some of the best computer scientists and engineers I have known and worked with; had music degrees.

Home school is another panacea for the destruction of public education. I have seen smart people who were home schooled and I have seen “meat sacks” who were home schooled.

Even then if it works for the kid? Why not?
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:12 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It makes sense, it's just that the corruption inherent in capitalism often makes it such that it doesn't function that way in reality. But in principle, neoliberalism should work.


I've seen no evidence that neoliberalism works for anyone, except the already wealthy. Instead of real industry, the US has cheap plastic crap that's not built to last. Only the technology has gotten better, not necessarily the work-life balance nor the real standard of living as opposed to nominal. Free trade in general, has been a bust. It sucks and only makes China more powerful.
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Postby Reorganisieren Reichregierung » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:13 pm

Ifreann wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm not angry. I just think the major is propaganda.

You must be a big believer in the notion of ignorance being bliss.


Saiwania wrote:
If my worldview is wrong, it is because its impossible for everyone to benefit from government policy. Any system by its very nature, is going to have winners and losers.

A rising tide lifts all boats.


TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
The American school system isn't stolen from nineteenth-century Prussian military academies by accident. The purpose of schooling is to prepare children for jobs. It is meant to provide them with life skills and things they need to know. My taxpayer dollars should be teaching children to read, write, do arithmatic, balance a budget, and understand how their government works. (Civics, man! Do more civics!)

I also support science education, as it exposes religious children to the majesty of God's Creation , and all children to critical thinking (and STEM).

Teaching children to love to learn, love to read, and things like that are the job of the parents. Fun stuff, like the arts, is for parents. Remember them? There was a time when parents were supposed to expose children to the finer things in life, teach them to appreciate the world around them, give them books to read and crayons to draw...

We rely on the state too much. If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

Tell me, how much do you know about the arts? How much time have you spent studying the arts? Because you can't teach what you don't know. If all you know about the arts the stuff everyone picks up through pop cultural osmosis, if you think that giving a child a crayon constitutes an education in the arts, then you can't really teach your child about the arts.

Anything skewed towards a certain political bent in education should be suspect unless institutions are willing to admit publically they hold a certain bias. While people do and should have political beliefs, nobody in a ostensibly non-political position should be pushing material with a certain political bent, also bold of you to assume your camp is the bearer of truth.

As for a rising tide, who says everyone is on the boats? The higher the tide rises, the more those on the shore lose. It is impossible to satisfy all interest groups in a society equally.
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Why dont we give the Engineers a play room instead? That way they wont get as mad and have time to unwind with the boys discussing engineer things, like which is the tool to use against the suddenly reanimated dead?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:21 pm

STEM is a meme, idk why we've let it go to people's heads.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:29 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:STEM is a meme, idk why we've let it go to people's heads.


Show me a machine that can do most if not all of the major STEM trades such as HVAC, Plumbing, Carpentry, Well drilling, Construction, etc? A computer can't do any or all of the physical work required. I'm pretty certain most of STEM is safe provided it requires knowledge/licensing not easily obtained.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:31 pm

Saiwania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:STEM is a meme, idk why we've let it go to people's heads.


Show me a machine that can do most if not all of the major STEM trades such as HVAC, Plumbing, Carpentry, Well drilling, etc? A computer can't do any of the physical work required. I'm pretty certain most of STEM is safe provided it requires knowledge/licensing not easily obtained.

Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education.

I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers.

Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:34 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You must be a big believer in the notion of ignorance being bliss.



A rising tide lifts all boats.



Tell me, how much do you know about the arts? How much time have you spent studying the arts? Because you can't teach what you don't know. If all you know about the arts the stuff everyone picks up through pop cultural osmosis, if you think that giving a child a crayon constitutes an education in the arts, then you can't really teach your child about the arts.

Piss off.

You're advocating for certain fields of knowledge to be forbidden because you don't like the kinds of conclusions that people studying them come to.


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Ifreann wrote:You must be a big believer in the notion of ignorance being bliss.



A rising tide lifts all boats.



Tell me, how much do you know about the arts? How much time have you spent studying the arts? Because you can't teach what you don't know. If all you know about the arts the stuff everyone picks up through pop cultural osmosis, if you think that giving a child a crayon constitutes an education in the arts, then you can't really teach your child about the arts.

Anything skewed towards a certain political bent in education should be suspect unless institutions are willing to admit publically they hold a certain bias. While people do and should have political beliefs, nobody in a ostensibly non-political position should be pushing material with a certain political bent, also bold of you to assume your camp is the bearer of truth.

You seem to be assuming that the popular association of certain fields of social science with liberals or the left means that there is a bias towards those political groups within those fields. Consider the alternative possibility that actually it's conservatives that are biased against those fields. Maybe everyone who talks shit about gender studies classes should have to publicly admit that they want to bring society back to the 50s.

As for a rising tide, who says everyone is on the boats? The higher the tide rises, the more those on the shore lose. It is impossible to satisfy all interest groups in a society equally.

Maybe we should make more boats, then. We don't have to leave people behind.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
I mean, the easiest way to think about gender is to look down your jeans, but honestly it doesnt seem worth it to go to college for gender studies, and woman studies, just so all the people that decided they take that class complain that woman don't go....into....stem courses....
Doesnt make sense to me but its whatever, your the one spending the money.

If you think that all there is to gender is your genitals then maybe you'd benefit from a gender studies class.

Genitals? I thought they were talking about pockets!
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Show me a machine that can do most if not all of the major STEM trades such as HVAC, Plumbing, Carpentry, Well drilling, etc? A computer can't do any of the physical work required. I'm pretty certain most of STEM is safe provided it requires knowledge/licensing not easily obtained.

Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education.

I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers.

Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.

Heh, computers can't deal with wild ecology
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:38 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Show me a machine that can do most if not all of the major STEM trades such as HVAC, Plumbing, Carpentry, Well drilling, etc? A computer can't do any of the physical work required. I'm pretty certain most of STEM is safe provided it requires knowledge/licensing not easily obtained.

Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education.

I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers.

Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.


As a physicist, I'm fairly sure that would require General AI that is light years away. There is, in fact, a certain creativity required in STEM that cannot be hoped to be replicated by a computer, short of General AI. And, just to point out, the arts and STEM will be the last jobs replaced even if that happens. Which means if, for whatever nonsensical reason, someone still wants to continue to work, STEAM is their refuge. Personally, I'd welcome the arrival of complete automation and resultant collapse of capitalism.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:38 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If you think that all there is to gender is your genitals then maybe you'd benefit from a gender studies class.

Genitals? I thought they were talking about pockets!

If you can fit your phone into your jeans pocket, you are a man. If you can't, you're a woman.

It's science.
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Postby Reorganisieren Reichregierung » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Show me a machine that can do most if not all of the major STEM trades such as HVAC, Plumbing, Carpentry, Well drilling, etc? A computer can't do any of the physical work required. I'm pretty certain most of STEM is safe provided it requires knowledge/licensing not easily obtained.

Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education.

I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers.

Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.

As if arts and humanities will not be. Art will not go away as long as there are people, I'll give you that, but once AI good enough to replace physicists exists, it is most likely good enough to do social sciences as well.

Also, a small remnant of STEM will exist - people who make the robots and AI. Nobody is dumb enough to allow strong AI to replicate itself without restrictions programmed in by humans and human oversight. This job market will get oversaturated though, but then again so will art, as lots of people will not be working and have less income to spend on art.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education. I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers. Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.


Trade school still costs a bunch of money like colleges do.

No one has explained how a machine is going to go inside/outside somebody's house/building to do plumbing for example. A person can still do a better job of fitting pipes and resolving any issues with water infrastructure than any robot in existence. How exactly is a machine going to replace someone's roof if it needs replacing?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:41 pm

Reorganisieren Reichregierung wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education.

I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers.

Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.

As if arts and humanities will not be. Art will not go away as long as there are people, I give you that, but once AI good enough to replace physicists exists, it is most likely good enough to do social sciences as well.

Also, a small remnant of STEM will exist - people who make the robots and AI. Nobody is dumb enough to allow strong AI to replicate itself without restrictions programmed in by humans and human oversight. This job market will get oversaturated though, but then again so will art, as lots of people will not be working and have less income to spend on art.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education. I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers. Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.


Trade school still costs a bunch of money like colleges do.

No one has explained how a machine is going to go inside/outside somebody's house/building to do plumbing for example. A person can still do a better job of fitting pipes and resolving any issues with water infrastructure than any robot in existence. How exactly is a machine going to replace someone's roof if it needs replacing?

Plumbers literally already use machines for a lot of their job.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education. I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers. Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.


Trade school still costs a bunch of money like colleges do.

No one has explained how a machine is going to go inside/outside somebody's house/building to do plumbing for example. A person can still do a better job of fitting pipes and resolving any issues with water infrastructure than any robot in existence. How exactly is a machine going to replace someone's roof if it needs replacing?

The same way a person does, except made out of metal.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:45 pm

Reorganisieren Reichregierung wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Anyone who has gone to trade school can do that, they're not hard, you just need training. It's certainly not superior to other forms of education.

I mean things like engineers, chemists, and even physicists will soon be completely outdated by computers.

Also, machines exist or are being developed that can do all of those things.

As if arts and humanities will not be. Art will not go away as long as there are people, I give you that, but once AI good enough to replace physicists exists, it is most likely good enough to do social sciences as well.

Also, a small remnant of STEM will exist - people who make the robots and AI. Nobody is dumb enough to allow strong AI to replicate itself without restrictions programmed in by humans and human oversight. This job market will get oversaturated though, but then again so will art, as lots of people will not be working and have less income to spend on art.


Really, we'd have to abandon the entire idea of working for pay. In essence, the moment general AI replaces all jobs, is the moment the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism meme becomes real. Of course, the gay part won't be enforced, if that concerns you, but still.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:46 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Reorganisieren Reichregierung wrote:As if arts and humanities will not be. Art will not go away as long as there are people, I give you that, but once AI good enough to replace physicists exists, it is most likely good enough to do social sciences as well.

Also, a small remnant of STEM will exist - people who make the robots and AI. Nobody is dumb enough to allow strong AI to replicate itself without restrictions programmed in by humans and human oversight. This job market will get oversaturated though, but then again so will art, as lots of people will not be working and have less income to spend on art.


Really, we'd have to abandon the entire idea of working for pay. In essence, the moment general AI replaces all jobs, is the moment the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism meme becomes real. Of course, the gay part won't be enforced, if that concerns you, but still.

Tbh you're a fool if you think automation will benefit anyone but the ruling class. Communism must come before automation.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:48 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Plumbers literally already use machines for a lot of their job.


Such as what? People normally use what will assist them in their job to do it more efficiently or in less time, but won't accept anything that'll put them out of a job willingly. Robots can do surgery in hospitals for example, but existing surgeons just use the leverage they have to block it from being more widely accepted.

People said that the internet would cause paper to go away completely, but this never really happened. Paperless offices still generate a lot of paper trash/forms/etc. to sort through.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:49 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:There's often a lot of talk about how to improve the education system in the US. Personally, there's one simple idea we can start with. Stop forcing classes on students that have nothing to do with their chosen field of study, or have little real world application like art or humanities. Not only would it save them time and money, but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes. What say you NSG?


If that's how it's going to be, then we should cut physics and chemistry. I don't use them.

Or you could realize that different people are going to go into different careers, and especially at the high school level it's good for them to be exposed to different subjects so they can get a better idea of what they're interested in, and just be more well-rounded.

Why you brought up high school when your thread title says college, I don't know, but that's before most people have chosen their field of study.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:50 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Trade school still costs a bunch of money like colleges do.

No one has explained how a machine is going to go inside/outside somebody's house/building to do plumbing for example. A person can still do a better job of fitting pipes and resolving any issues with water infrastructure than any robot in existence. How exactly is a machine going to replace someone's roof if it needs replacing?

Plumbers literally already use machines for a lot of their job.

Plumbing robots are becoming a thing too. Like, robots that go into the plumbing to work on pipes from the inside, doing repair work that would require excavations and dealing with toxic environments for humans. Just flush BB-8 down the shitter and he'll unclog it for you.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:50 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Really, we'd have to abandon the entire idea of working for pay. In essence, the moment general AI replaces all jobs, is the moment the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism meme becomes real. Of course, the gay part won't be enforced, if that concerns you, but still.

Tbh you're a fool if you think automation will benefit anyone but the ruling class. Communism must come before automation.


Eventually, it will benefit everyone. Either after a revolution triggered by the lack of benefit to the proletariat, or by reform caused by the threat of said revolution.
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