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Postby Totenborg » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:17 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You wanna back that one up, give it a consider and try again?

I'll give you a hint at where you might have gone wrong, just in case. The average walking speed is three miles an hour. Subtracting an eight our work day, that's sixteen hours left. I'll give you some time with those figures, you get back to us.

Yeah that's a math mistake on my part. But okay, even then. You can walk 48 miles in 16 hours. Why do you live 48 miles from your job? I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people don't live half of that distance. Maybe 10 miles.

The largest employer in my area is a factory that is located close to thirty miles outside of the main town. It's close to sixty miles from my house. It's anecdotal, but I'm betting it's not uncommon. I think that if you spent some time living in rural area, your perspective would rapidly change.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm

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The Republic of Fore wrote:Nurses and doctors haven't been filled or dried up. At least not stateside. There's a huge shortage of them. And people are still getting jobs with tech and engineering degrees. And the housing bubble is over. Even considering all of those, It's still their problem.

Depends on where you are stateside. As for people still getting jobs in tech and engineering, there are far less than there were before outsourcing became the status quo. The housing crisis may have passed, but that doesn't help the people who couldn't get decent jobs because they had invested in what showed few, if any, signs of slowing down and that meant job security and good pay.

As for it still being their problem, how the hell were they to know that, just before they graduated, their jobs would dry up? Your argument was that they were incompetent. Mine is that they were not.

My argument is that not everyone who wasted money on a degree is a victim of random chance. Some people just did make stupid choices. And sure, they weren't able to know it would happen. But that doesn't change that It's their problem. No one held a gun to their head and made them go.

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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm

I don't know what they do (office work and the like, I assume) but a lot of people living here in San Bernardino commute to LA fifty someodd miles west of here.

My dad worked at an auto wrecker for much of his life, taking a fifty five mile commute to get there through LA's infamous traffic
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:18 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Neu California wrote:If you're walking fifty miles each way to and from work, how long is is that timewise? Does that leave time for extracurricular activities, sleep, etc.?

Because I'm sure people don't want to live solely to work.

And not every place has a good mass transit network. Austin, iirc, is a large city that doesn't have one and the voters refuse to vote to implement one

Still sounds like their problem. What the hell do you do if you live 50 miles from work?


You should be responsible on getting a home close to your workplace or school, really.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:19 pm

Totenborg wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Yeah that's a math mistake on my part. But okay, even then. You can walk 48 miles in 16 hours. Why do you live 48 miles from your job? I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people don't live half of that distance. Maybe 10 miles.

The largest employer in my area is a factory that is located close to thirty miles outside of the main town. It's close to sixty miles from my house. It's anecdotal, but I'm betting it's not uncommon. I think that if you spent some time living in rural area, your perspective would rapidly change.

And as I already said, the vast majority of Americans don't live in rural areas. Your experience doesn't apply to everyone else. And nobody forces people to live that far from employment.

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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:20 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Still sounds like their problem. What the hell do you do if you live 50 miles from work?


You should be responsible on getting a home close to your workplace or school, really.

And if you can't afford to, say because property prices get higher the closer you get?
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:20 pm

Neu California wrote:I don't know what they do (office work and the like, I assume) but a lot of people living here in San Bernardino commute to LA fifty someodd miles west of here.

My dad worked at an auto wrecker for much of his life, taking a fifty five mile commute to get there through LA's infamous traffic

And that's their choice to do so. I have negative sympathy for them.

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:21 pm

Neu California wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
You should be responsible on getting a home close to your workplace or school, really.

And if you can't afford to, say because property prices get higher the closer you get?

See answer A. Your problem.

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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:21 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Totenborg wrote:The largest employer in my area is a factory that is located close to thirty miles outside of the main town. It's close to sixty miles from my house. It's anecdotal, but I'm betting it's not uncommon. I think that if you spent some time living in rural area, your perspective would rapidly change.

And as I already said, the vast majority of Americans don't live in rural areas. Your experience doesn't apply to everyone else. And nobody forces people to live that far from employment.
What do you think are the main factors involved in choosing ones domicile
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:21 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You wanna back that one up, give it a consider and try again?

I'll give you a hint at where you might have gone wrong, just in case. The average walking speed is three miles an hour. Subtracting an eight our work day, that's sixteen hours left. I'll give you some time with those figures, you get back to us.

Yeah that's a math mistake on my part. But okay, even then. You can walk 48 miles in 16 hours. Why do you live 48 miles from your job? I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people don't live half of that distance. Maybe 10 miles.

The average commute for an American is 16 miles. If don't need to be 'willing to bet' on things you can just look up.

As to why you live so far from your job...there are a number of reasons for that to happen.
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Postby Neu California » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:22 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Neu California wrote:I don't know what they do (office work and the like, I assume) but a lot of people living here in San Bernardino commute to LA fifty someodd miles west of here.

My dad worked at an auto wrecker for much of his life, taking a fifty five mile commute to get there through LA's infamous traffic

And that's their choice to do so. I have negative sympathy for them.

And I don't care what sympathy you have for them. You asked who lives fifty miles from their place of work and multiple people provided examples
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:22 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kubra wrote:Still tho guys there might legit be some courses that could perhaps be trimmed without too much consternation.
I mean midwifery always seemed like a dubious bachelors degree to me, I mean it's not that it doesn't pay but as far as childbirth professionals go it's the one that strikes me as, well, kind of niche.


I can understand not asking a med student to take, say, philosophy of history, because they will more than likely not need it for their job. But there are certain courses that probably, for what I’ve seen, should be mandatory. Teach people to write coherently, to spell (because yes, there are college level students who can’t spell to save their lives), for example. Basic biology and physics too. And yes, a semester of philosophy wouldn’t hurt.

Okay, but what if some people don't need to be taught to spell? Make people who need writing and spelling courses take them. Don't waste everyone else's time.

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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:23 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Yeah that's a math mistake on my part. But okay, even then. You can walk 48 miles in 16 hours. Why do you live 48 miles from your job? I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people don't live half of that distance. Maybe 10 miles.

The average commute for an American is 16 miles. If don't need to be 'willing to bet' on things you can just look up.

As to why you live so far from your job...there are a number of reasons for that to happen.
If only our dear friend had been forced to take more classes unrelated to his major, he would know how to access publicly available census data.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:23 pm

Neu California wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:And that's their choice to do so. I have negative sympathy for them.

And I don't care what sympathy you have for them. You asked who lives fifty miles from their place of work and multiple people provided examples

Irrelevant examples that don't apply to the vast majority of cases. Exceptions don't disprove the rule. There's a former NFL player that's a neurosurgeon at Harvard's university hospital. Doesn't change that most athletes are morons.

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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:24 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I can understand not asking a med student to take, say, philosophy of history, because they will more than likely not need it for their job. But there are certain courses that probably, for what I’ve seen, should be mandatory. Teach people to write coherently, to spell (because yes, there are college level students who can’t spell to save their lives), for example. Basic biology and physics too. And yes, a semester of philosophy wouldn’t hurt.

Okay, but what if some people don't need to be taught to spell? Make people who need writing and spelling courses take them. Don't waste everyone else's time.
Riddle me this, batman: who in college does not need to be taught how to write?
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:25 pm

Kubra wrote:Riddle me this, batman: who in college does not need to be taught how to write?


Not many college students know how to write, metaphorically speaking.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:25 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I can understand not asking a med student to take, say, philosophy of history, because they will more than likely not need it for their job. But there are certain courses that probably, for what I’ve seen, should be mandatory. Teach people to write coherently, to spell (because yes, there are college level students who can’t spell to save their lives), for example. Basic biology and physics too. And yes, a semester of philosophy wouldn’t hurt.

Okay, but what if some people don't need to be taught to spell? Make people who need writing and spelling courses take them. Don't waste everyone else's time.


Everyone has to be taught how to spell. Regardless of job, you should know how to spell. What a silly notion you have. The reason we can read you, nominally at least, is because you learned to both read, write and surprise surprise! Spell.
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Postby Totenborg » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:26 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Totenborg wrote:The largest employer in my area is a factory that is located close to thirty miles outside of the main town. It's close to sixty miles from my house. It's anecdotal, but I'm betting it's not uncommon. I think that if you spent some time living in rural area, your perspective would rapidly change.

And as I already said, the vast majority of Americans don't live in rural areas. Your experience doesn't apply to everyone else. And nobody forces people to live that far from employment.

Yeah, you're talking from complete ignorance there if you genuinely believe that someone can't get stuck in a rural area. I'll try to help you understand, though. See, if you can't afford gas or a reliable vehicle to get to a job that's too far to walk, you can't afford to move away, either. So, yeah, you can get forced to live in a rural area. If you can't understand that, it's your problem.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:26 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
From a pragmatic point of view, no course should cost up to $30k.

Where is that course? Trump University?


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:28 pm

Kubra wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Okay, but what if some people don't need to be taught to spell? Make people who need writing and spelling courses take them. Don't waste everyone else's time.
Riddle me this, batman: who in college does not need to be taught how to write?

A buddy of mine use to have a high paying job at Oracle overseeing engineers, had an English degree. He would joke that it was because he could actually communicate. It was only kind of a joke.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:30 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kubra wrote: Riddle me this, batman: who in college does not need to be taught how to write?

A buddy of mine use to have a high paying job at Oracle overseeing engineers, had an English degree. He would joke that it was because he could actually communicate. It was only kind of a joke.
Oh shoot uh on second thought Fore's right, these guys don't really need any english education.
don't want em bringing down my market, you see.
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Postby Jebslund » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:35 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:And sure, they weren't able to know it would happen. But that doesn't change that It's their problem. No one held a gun to their head and made them go.

No, they just drilled it into them that the only way to make enough to provide for a family (or themselves) was to get a good job, which required getting a degree. And that if they chose the wrong degree, they were a failure. And that the right degree is the one that whoever's doing the most hiring at the time wants.

A firearm is not the only means of forcing someone to do something, nor are threats of physical violence.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:47 pm

Kubra wrote:Oh shoot uh on second thought Fore's right, these guys don't really need any english education.


Yeah, you can use Grammarly, and that solves your English problem. :lol:
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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:48 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Kubra wrote:Oh shoot uh on second thought Fore's right, these guys don't really need any english education.


Yeah, you can use Grammarly, and that solves your English problem. :lol:
grammarly don't give you style, and clarity often involves such.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:49 pm

Kubra wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Yeah, you can use Grammarly, and that solves your English problem. :lol:
grammarly don't give you style


It's not that effective, to be honest.
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