Why the us should cut useless courses from college degrees.

[Grenartia]

I like the idea of people getting some experience with subjects outside their degree. Education, especially higher education, should be about understanding more about the world, not just about getting a piece of paper that qualifies you for a job.

Also teaching children pure technical skills is just silly, and services to only teach them to be mindless industrial drones. So I guess that's a win for the capitalists, but I thought we preferred our population with deep critical thinking skills, social awareness, and empathetic nature. It's kinda hard to teach all of those through fucking tax forms.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts here. Now, if those subjects were actually adequately taught in high school and below, I could definitely see a more grounded argument for cutting their requirements in higher ed, not that I'd agree.

People need to learn about experiences that differ from their own to properly function in society. The only useless college courses I know of are business and management courses. You don't actually learn anything in those classes other than how to kiss some fatcat's asshole.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

Then any incentive for taking something remotely useful (demanded by at least some employers) in college will be reduced.

No it's that employers require a degree for all sorts of jobs

Many people would take advantage of free college to study useless courses

"useless" and i think you really overestimate how many people actually want to study those things

and exacerbate existing oversaturation of many fields - employable liberal arts fields are oversaturated, and even STEM is not safe from this as immigration of skilled labor is a thing.

I will never understand why our fellow Anglophones across the Atlantic use "liberal arts" to refer to basically anything.

Free college is expensive by itself. Taking care of the resulting underemployed, unemployed, and unemployable will be even more so.

Bit expensive to make things better guys, let's give the military an extra $100 billion instead

Nobody said anything about giving more money to the military, investment in infrastructure, industry or general job creation for instance would go a longer way than indulging in everyone's fantasies of earning 6 figures as an underwater basket weaver. Creating more jobs for the people displaced by automation, immigration and bad choices (entering a "hot" STEM field/any arts/humanities that has some employer demand in a so-so school with so-so grades, no postgrads or anything distinguishing to an employer).

All jobs require degrees, but anything above minimum wage requires a degree proving you have a skill applicable to the job. And many of these jobs will be wiped out by automation or become oversaturated fields due to overproduction of degrees and skilled immigration.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

We should remove stupid degrees like gender or ethnic studies. I don't know about abolishing courses though.

Very mad that people are thinking a lot about gender.

I'm not angry. I just think the major is propaganda.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

We should remove stupid degrees like gender or ethnic studies.

Sargon's online petition has become sentient.

I don't even watch Sargon, but whatever.

[Saiwania]

You have a philosophy centered around generating a massive and impossible societal regression because you think you know better than everybody else. Or are you just the exception to this rule, and you actually do have all the answers?

If my worldview is wrong, it is because its impossible for everyone to benefit from government policy. Any system by its very nature, is going to have winners and losers. What you see as societal progress I see as regression and vice versa. Because it is the case that we live in a fundamentally zero-sum world, the entire purpose of politics is to screw over or push aside any out groups or opposition and pursue whatever will benefit you and your in group.

Who ultimately wins and loses in the end, will be determined by the course of history.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Also teaching children pure technical skills is just silly, and services to only teach them to be mindless industrial drones.

The American school system isn't stolen from nineteenth-century Prussian military academies by accident. The purpose of schooling is to prepare children for jobs. It is meant to provide them with life skills and things they need to know. My taxpayer dollars should be teaching children to read, write, do arithmatic, balance a budget, and understand how their government works. (Civics, man! Do more civics!)

I also support science education, as it exposes religious children to the majesty of God's Creation , and all children to critical thinking (and STEM).

Teaching children to love to learn, love to read, and things like that are the job of the parents. Fun stuff, like the arts, is for parents. Remember them? There was a time when parents were supposed to expose children to the finer things in life, teach them to appreciate the world around them, give them books to read and crayons to draw...

We rely on the state too much. If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

We should remove stupid degrees like gender or ethnic studies. I don't know about abolishing courses though.

Yeah, don't want people to think critically about gender or race receive leftist propaganda disguised as critical thinking, don't we?

Fixed it for you. Red text mine.

[Bear Stearns]

Also teaching children pure technical skills is just silly, and services to only teach them to be mindless industrial drones.

Is there actually evidence of this? Critical thinking is taught in early childhood, not in college.

[Noel]

If the goal is to save money on schools, why not just make the school day shorter, or give students more time to work in school than they currently have? (Maybe even time to explore these extra subjects on their own in-school.) Deadlines are always a problem. Creating free home economy software and better support centers is presumably a lot cheaper than creating a whole nationwide tax curriculum!

[Czechostan]

When I saw "useless courses" in the title, I presumed you meant stuff like underwater basket weaving or surf science and technology (where the homework is to surf twice a week). That stuff's pretty useless.

The title references college degrees, but in the description, you're talking about high school. Those are two very different things. If you're still in high school, you need to get a well-rounded education. After that, it should be more open-ended. We would probably be better off if more people went to trade school or did an apprenticeship program. If you're going to a traditional college or liberal arts school, you should be expecting to take several gen eds.

[Czechostan]

Yeah, don't want people to think critically about gender or race receive leftist propaganda disguised as critical thinking, don't we?

Fixed it for you. Red text mine.

Then you shouldn't be opposed to gender/race majors, just how they're taught.

[Czechostan]

If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

lol

Homeschooled children are never ideologically brainwashed.

Jokes on you, though, one of my friends was homeschooled by her parents, and they were communists.

[Saiwania]

The American school system isn't stolen from nineteenth-century Prussian military academies by accident. The purpose of schooling is to prepare children for jobs. It is meant to provide them with life skills and things they need to know. My taxpayer dollars should be teaching children to read, write, do arithmatic, balance a budget, and understand how their government works.

It is perhaps partially my fault in that I just didn't do enough with my life. But the US' K-12 system in my locale has objectively speaking, failed to prepare me for any job. The same is true for a state community college I went to and successfully got a 2 year degree from.

I graduated high school when the US economy was in a severe recession, and graduated college six years after and have been unemployed the entire time. People give me different answers for what I need to do to become employable, but for the most part- it doesn't help. What do I truly need to do if starting with a blank resume and nothing anyone wants or is interested in, and have a lost decade or more in terms of age?

[Bear Stearns]

If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

lol

Homeschooled children are never ideologically brainwashed.

Jokes on you, though, one of my friends was homeschooled by her parents, and they were communists.

Evidence shows that home-schooled children tend to be more successful in life. Probably because the sort of parents willing to home school tend to be more attentive, disciplined, and thoughtful in their child-rearing.

[The Emerald Legion]

They're not things that need to be thought critically about.

All things should be thought about critically

No they aren't.

[Czechostan]

lol

Homeschooled children are never ideologically brainwashed.

Jokes on you, though, one of my friends was homeschooled by her parents, and they were communists.

Evidence shows that home-schooled children tend to be more successful in life. Probably because the sort of parents willing to home school tend to be more attentive, disciplined, and thoughtful in their child-rearing.

I'm interested in seeing this evidence, as well as the metric on how success is measured.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Fixed it for you. Red text mine.

Then you shouldn't be opposed to gender/race majors, just how they're taught.

I can oppose the current majors for how they're currently tought.

[Saiwania]

I'm interested in seeing this evidence, as well as the metric on how success is measured.

Most success in society is measured by how much money you make or how rich you are, in my experience. Objectively speaking, with more money you're able to control your life more like how you want it. With less money, you don't get to do more of what you want or pursue certain opportunities.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

Evidence shows that home-schooled children tend to be more successful in life. Probably because the sort of parents willing to home school tend to be more attentive, disciplined, and thoughtful in their child-rearing.

I'm interested in seeing this evidence, as well as the metric on how success is measured.

Even MSM admits it:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... -schooling
https://www.businessinsider.com/reasons ... day-2018-1

Also search for this study (Google will yield a PDF): SPECIFIC DIFFERENCES IN THE EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES OF THOSE STUDENTS WHO ARE HOME SCHOOLED VS. STUDENTS IN A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL SETTING by Kathi Moreau

Homeschoolers get better test scores, end up being more successful and are psychologically healthier to boot.

[MNIC]

The thing is that you can't force things on people.
If they want to take a class that you see is pointless, then it's their choice.
If they regret it, it's still not your problem. However, I do see the point in teaching classes that might affect students in the real world, like maybe just a little bit of tax help every so often!

[Czechostan]

I'm interested in seeing this evidence, as well as the metric on how success is measured.

Even MSM admits it:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... -schooling
https://www.businessinsider.com/reasons ... day-2018-1

Also search for this study (Google will yield a PDF): SPECIFIC DIFFERENCES IN THE EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES OF THOSE STUDENTS WHO ARE HOME SCHOOLED VS. STUDENTS IN A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL SETTING by Kathi Moreau

Homeschoolers get better test scores, end up being more successful and are psychologically healthier to boot.

Thanks, I'll give those a read when I get a chance.

[Ifreann]

Very mad that people are thinking a lot about gender.

I'm not angry. I just think the major is propaganda.

You must be a big believer in the notion of ignorance being bliss.

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You have a philosophy centered around generating a massive and impossible societal regression because you think you know better than everybody else. Or are you just the exception to this rule, and you actually do have all the answers?

If my worldview is wrong, it is because its impossible for everyone to benefit from government policy. Any system by its very nature, is going to have winners and losers.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

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Also teaching children pure technical skills is just silly, and services to only teach them to be mindless industrial drones.

The American school system isn't stolen from nineteenth-century Prussian military academies by accident. The purpose of schooling is to prepare children for jobs. It is meant to provide them with life skills and things they need to know. My taxpayer dollars should be teaching children to read, write, do arithmatic, balance a budget, and understand how their government works. (Civics, man! Do more civics!)

I also support science education, as it exposes religious children to the majesty of God's Creation , and all children to critical thinking (and STEM).

Teaching children to love to learn, love to read, and things like that are the job of the parents. Fun stuff, like the arts, is for parents. Remember them? There was a time when parents were supposed to expose children to the finer things in life, teach them to appreciate the world around them, give them books to read and crayons to draw...

We rely on the state too much. If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

Tell me, how much do you know about the arts? How much time have you spent studying the arts? Because you can't teach what you don't know. If all you know about the arts the stuff everyone picks up through pop cultural osmosis, if you think that giving a child a crayon constitutes an education in the arts, then you can't really teach your child about the arts.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There's often a lot of talk about how to improve the education system in the US. Personally, there's one simple idea we can start with. Stop forcing classes on students that have nothing to do with their chosen field of study, or have little real world application like art or humanities. Not only would it save them time and money, but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes. What say you NSG?

The humanities are useful when you're interested in not being a complete dumbass. The idea that education should be purely about real-world application is a cancer upon education. Imo we'd be better off forcing STEM into trade schools where it belongs, though it won't matter, in thirty years, STEM majors will be replaced by computers.

[The New California Republic]

All things should be thought about critically

No they aren't.

No...they...aren't? Huh? That response makes no sense...

[Saiwania]

A rising tide lifts all boats.

This never happened, however. Some people benefited and many more didn't or got left behind. So clearly, it is better to just embrace inequalities if it is inevitable.