NATION

PASSWORD

Why the us should cut useless courses from college degrees.

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
The Republic of Fore
Diplomat
 
Posts: 927
Founded: Apr 10, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Why the us should cut useless courses from college degrees.

Postby The Republic of Fore » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:22 am

There's often a lot of talk about how to improve the education system in the US. Personally, there's one simple idea we can start with. Stop forcing classes on students that have nothing to do with their chosen field of study, or have little real world application like art or humanities. Not only would it save them time and money, but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes. What say you NSG?

User avatar
Mzeusia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 525
Founded: Oct 30, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Mzeusia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:26 am

Don't be silly. Arts and humanities are useful and I shouldn't need to go into why. As for having a whole class devoted to teaching tax forms, what kid is going to listen to any of that, let alone an hour a week, every week of school?
Last edited by Mzeusia on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
If you are interested in having the Mzeusian Library write something for your nation, click here!

Pro: volone is an Italian cheese made from cow's milk.
Anti: gua is one of the 2 major islands that make up the Caribbean nation of Antigua and Barbuda. I wonder what the other island is?

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:30 am

Multicultural children's literature. Big dumb my guy. I had to take that shit and a multicultural studies class in college and they fucking sucked. Had some older white lady telling us about the African roots of black American culture (I always felt black American culture was far more similar to white American culture than to Africa but whatever) and bringing up other accidentally stereotypical shit too, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs (not all Muslim women wear those btw and Arab women actually dye their hair alot) and why white Americans are complicit in racism (pretty sure most white folks aren't racists but yeah, why don't you blame your own race for that while I defend them).

That was Multicultural studies. Multicultural children's lit was all this stuff about African children and shit. Imagine goodnight moon but it's some Ugandan child and he's hunting lions and whatever the hell else he does (this was an actual story btw although to be serious it had nothing to do with good night moon). Not only were we being forced to read literature that came from cultures no one even heard of, but they were literally baby books. Like come on.

I'm totally for cutting any classes related to social justice. Most of them are absolutely meaningless. Your future jobs wants to see your qualifications and knowing alot about theories of power and oppression doesn't make you look smart. It does quite the opposite

And before anyone says "but people gotta learn tolerance," I just wanna say right now that a college class cannot teach you to not be a racist. Either you aren't one like most people or you are one and college won't stop that. I'm pretty sure that without these multicultural clssses, 90% of people could still treat a person of a different race respectfully and not start screaming racial slurs at them
Last edited by Rojava Free State on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:31 am

Mzeusia wrote:Don't be silly. Arts and humanities are useful and I shouldn't need to go into why. As for having a whole class devoted to teaching tax forms, what kid is going to listen to any of that, let alone an hour a week, every week of school?


If you really care about them, you'll tell them what they need to hear, not just what they wanna hear
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Valrifell
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23610
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:36 am

An engineer wrote this.
I like to imagine Sisyphus STAYING HOME & WASHING HIS HANDS
I did some things

User avatar
Valrifell
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23610
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:38 am

Also teaching children pure technical skills is just silly, and services to only teach them to be mindless industrial drones. So I guess that's a win for the capitalists, but I thought we preferred our population with deep critical thinking skills, social awareness, and empathetic nature. It's kinda hard to teach all of those through fucking tax forms.
I like to imagine Sisyphus STAYING HOME & WASHING HIS HANDS
I did some things

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 137916
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:38 am

I like the idea of people getting some experience with subjects outside their degree. Education, especially higher education, should be about understanding more about the world, not just about getting a piece of paper that qualifies you for a job.
Last edited by Ifreann on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Coughing Etiquette That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track. It ain't along the blacktop tar you've walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies. Between your ears, behind your eyes. That it the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

User avatar
Valrifell
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23610
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:38 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Mzeusia wrote:Don't be silly. Arts and humanities are useful and I shouldn't need to go into why. As for having a whole class devoted to teaching tax forms, what kid is going to listen to any of that, let alone an hour a week, every week of school?


If you really care about them, you'll tell them what they need to hear, not just what they wanna hear


Who is 'they' and what do they 'want to hear'?
I like to imagine Sisyphus STAYING HOME & WASHING HIS HANDS
I did some things

User avatar
Mzeusia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 525
Founded: Oct 30, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Mzeusia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:43 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Mzeusia wrote:Don't be silly. Arts and humanities are useful and I shouldn't need to go into why. As for having a whole class devoted to teaching tax forms, what kid is going to listen to any of that, let alone an hour a week, every week of school?


If you really care about them, you'll tell them what they need to hear, not just what they wanna hear

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If the water consists of excruciatingly boring stuff, it doesn't matter how useful that water is. It would be good to teach kids more practical things, but is that really realistic? For some things yes, for tax forms, no.
Last edited by Mzeusia on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
If you are interested in having the Mzeusian Library write something for your nation, click here!

Pro: volone is an Italian cheese made from cow's milk.
Anti: gua is one of the 2 major islands that make up the Caribbean nation of Antigua and Barbuda. I wonder what the other island is?

User avatar
The Emerald Legion
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8273
Founded: Mar 18, 2011
Corporate Police State

Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:00 am

Honestly. Burn it to the ground, spend the money issuing children books and let them be homeshooled, with tests at certain points to ensure they are actually learning.
"I must play this game by my rules/ I will conquer the world with my tools/ All my machines are made for destruction/ I will build my empire/ I will succeed and you will see/ With my machines there is no retreat." ~ E.G.G.M.A.N.
I frequently lapse into self parody, that isn't to say that I don't have extreme views, just that I occasionally go over the top for comedic effect.
Genivaria wrote:The Emerald Legion is NSG's personal Reaper.

The Drone Empire wrote:"Enlighten the willing, enslave the conquered, eradicate the defiant."
A typical Legionary strategy meeting.
The appropriate pronoun for me is It.
Philosophically Biophobic.

User avatar
Mzeusia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 525
Founded: Oct 30, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Mzeusia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:02 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Honestly. Burn it to the ground, spend the money issuing children books and let them be homeshooled, with tests at certain points to ensure they are actually learning.

So what would happen if they're not learning?
If you are interested in having the Mzeusian Library write something for your nation, click here!

Pro: volone is an Italian cheese made from cow's milk.
Anti: gua is one of the 2 major islands that make up the Caribbean nation of Antigua and Barbuda. I wonder what the other island is?

User avatar
Imperial Joseon
Minister
 
Posts: 2917
Founded: Dec 13, 2019
Capitalizt

Postby Imperial Joseon » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:03 am

Ifreann wrote:I like the idea of people getting some experience with subjects outside their degree. Education, especially higher education, should be about understanding more about the world, not just about getting a piece of paper that qualifies you for a job.


Maybe, he's just utilitarian. Not criticizing at all, just saying he has a different perspective in iife.
Champions - Sporting World Cup 10 (U-18),

User avatar
The Emerald Legion
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8273
Founded: Mar 18, 2011
Corporate Police State

Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:05 am

Mzeusia wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Honestly. Burn it to the ground, spend the money issuing children books and let them be homeshooled, with tests at certain points to ensure they are actually learning.

So what would happen if they're not learning?


We burn the parents at the stake obviously. [/sarcasm]

More seriously, what do we do if parents neglect their children as is?
"I must play this game by my rules/ I will conquer the world with my tools/ All my machines are made for destruction/ I will build my empire/ I will succeed and you will see/ With my machines there is no retreat." ~ E.G.G.M.A.N.
I frequently lapse into self parody, that isn't to say that I don't have extreme views, just that I occasionally go over the top for comedic effect.
Genivaria wrote:The Emerald Legion is NSG's personal Reaper.

The Drone Empire wrote:"Enlighten the willing, enslave the conquered, eradicate the defiant."
A typical Legionary strategy meeting.
The appropriate pronoun for me is It.
Philosophically Biophobic.

User avatar
Rainbowsix
Diplomat
 
Posts: 742
Founded: Nov 27, 2018
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Rainbowsix » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:06 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:There's often a lot of talk about how to improve the education system in the US. Personally, there's one simple idea we can start with. Stop forcing classes on students that have nothing to do with their chosen field of study, or have little real world application like art or humanities. Not only would it save them time and money, but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes. What say you NSG?

my school has it required you take 2 years of financing... like taxes.. stock market.. all that economic stuff
This nation doesn't represent my views... this nation represents what I imagine the game Rainbow Six Siege would be like if made into a country
Freedom is never free, so remember those who died for it
My political view down here (updated 2/25/20)
https://www.isidewith.com/profile/4179624586/parties

User avatar
Goldstandardstan
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 19
Founded: Jan 26, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Goldstandardstan » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:06 am

Or let the universities decide for themselves what to teach? It's the student's choice anyway, and trade school is a thing.

Rojava Free State wrote:, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs

My hijab wearing gf would like a word with her I guess, she colors her hair all the colors of the rainbow lmao
Last edited by Goldstandardstan on Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
Male, 23, Yuropean, Powerlifter AKA powerfatty.
PRO: Gold standard, libertarianism, private schooling, private property, legalization of all drugs, government out of marriage, equality to the law
AGAINST: Socialism and Communism, Fascism, (positive) discrimination laws

User avatar
Forsher
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16976
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:15 am

Tertiary education in the States has a very good reputation. It's expensive, yes, but a large part of that is that it's a federal country with really weird ideas about economics.

Trying to fix primary and secondary education in the US by altering the curriculum at the tertiary level is... a very weird idea.

And, frankly, it's the science subjects that are more irrelevant to everyday life than social sciences and humanities. Aside from talking to a former colleague who studied genetics at uni, the last time I had a conversation about genetics IRL was the last time I had to study it. Similarly, no-one gives a fuck about ridge regression or gams. I don't think I've ever talked about carbon polymers or had any particular reason to care about them since I was 16. (And, if I did, it wasn't in the context of what we did in science at school but rather the economics or politics of plastics.)

We live in a human world created by people. It is the subjects that are about people that are everywhere.

You can't define "useless". If you could define "useless" it probably doesn't refer to the subjects you criticise. You can fix what's not working by changing what is... but it seems unlikely that this is the case.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

User avatar
Nolo gap
Envoy
 
Posts: 254
Founded: Sep 21, 2018
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Nolo gap » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:16 am

might be a bit of a challange to reach a consensus as to which are the "useless" ones.
to me its business and sports which are useless, and those propiganda classes that pass themelves off as history.

all the sciences are good and all the arts. its everything else that's mostly a waste.

(political science isn't a science though and neither is economics)

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:21 am

Valrifell wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If you really care about them, you'll tell them what they need to hear, not just what they wanna hear


Who is 'they' and what do they 'want to hear'?


Kids. They may not be thrilled about a tax return class but they need to learn it, unlike world history which while interesting is simply not necessary for them to function in the world
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:23 am

Goldstandardstan wrote:Or let the universities decide for themselves what to teach? It's the student's choice anyway, and trade school is a thing.

Rojava Free State wrote:, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs

My hijab wearing gf would like a word with her I guess, she colors her hair all the colors of the rainbow lmao


Both of my ex girlfriends are Arabs and they both dyed their hair stuff ranging from black to blonde to auburn red to pink, but hey, the multicultural studies lady spoke. All yall Arabs gotta start conforming to the stereotype because this liberal white lady said it's true so it has to be true. No fun allowed for the brown kids anymore I guess
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:24 am

Ifreann wrote:I like the idea of people getting some experience with subjects outside their degree. Education, especially higher education, should be about understanding more about the world, not just about getting a piece of paper that qualifies you for a job.


Ifreann you say that as if most human beings can be made well rounded citizens when in fact many if not most are either average intelligence imo if I'm having a good day, and fucking dumbasses imo if I'm not having a good day. I deal with hundreds of folks a day and can tell you these people cannot be educated into intellectuals. They just aren't capable
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Goldstandardstan
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 19
Founded: Jan 26, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Goldstandardstan » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:25 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Goldstandardstan wrote:Or let the universities decide for themselves what to teach? It's the student's choice anyway, and trade school is a thing.


My hijab wearing gf would like a word with her I guess, she colors her hair all the colors of the rainbow lmao


Both of my ex girlfriends are Arabs and they both dyed their hair stuff ranging from black to blonde to auburn red to pink, but hey, the multicultural studies lady spoke. All yall Arabs gotta start conforming to the stereotype because this liberal white lady said it's true so it has to be true. No fun allowed for the brown kids anymore I guess

Dyed your hair? 50 lashes
Male, 23, Yuropean, Powerlifter AKA powerfatty.
PRO: Gold standard, libertarianism, private schooling, private property, legalization of all drugs, government out of marriage, equality to the law
AGAINST: Socialism and Communism, Fascism, (positive) discrimination laws

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 50080
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:25 am

But who will clean my house if there are no liberal arts degree holders looking for pennies to pay off their student loans ?
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:25 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Mzeusia wrote:So what would happen if they're not learning?


We burn the parents at the stake obviously. [/sarcasm]

More seriously, what do we do if parents neglect their children as is?


We have the cop from the village people handcuff them, throw them down on the ground and curb stomp them to the song YMCA
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Rojava Free State
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11870
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:27 am

Goldstandardstan wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Both of my ex girlfriends are Arabs and they both dyed their hair stuff ranging from black to blonde to auburn red to pink, but hey, the multicultural studies lady spoke. All yall Arabs gotta start conforming to the stereotype because this liberal white lady said it's true so it has to be true. No fun allowed for the brown kids anymore I guess

Dyed your hair? 50 lashes


Nah, off with they fucking head. And if anyone at Fox news tries to blame this on islam, let them know the liberal college professor made you do it
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Hurdergaryp wrote:Humanity keeps seeing itself as the crown of creation, but to this world we're a crown of thorns at best.


Find me on Spoon Radio at Sonoma Martinez!

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 137916
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:30 am

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I like the idea of people getting some experience with subjects outside their degree. Education, especially higher education, should be about understanding more about the world, not just about getting a piece of paper that qualifies you for a job.


Maybe, he's just utilitarian. Not criticizing at all, just saying he has a different perspective in iife.

Nothing I said is incompatible with utilitarianism.


Rojava Free State wrote:
Goldstandardstan wrote:Or let the universities decide for themselves what to teach? It's the student's choice anyway, and trade school is a thing.


My hijab wearing gf would like a word with her I guess, she colors her hair all the colors of the rainbow lmao


Both of my ex girlfriends are Arabs and they both dyed their hair stuff ranging from black to blonde to auburn red to pink, but hey, the multicultural studies lady spoke. All yall Arabs gotta start conforming to the stereotype because this liberal white lady said it's true so it has to be true. No fun allowed for the brown kids anymore I guess

I don't think that your disagreements with one thing one teacher you had said is a very good reason to cancel all classes on the same subject.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Coughing Etiquette That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track. It ain't along the blacktop tar you've walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies. Between your ears, behind your eyes. That it the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Blakk Metal, Bromagia, Heloin, Oceanian Technate, Ors Might, Shanghai industrial complex, Tecode Cam Coff, The Chuck, The JELLEAIN Republic

Advertisement

Remove ads