Kobe Bryant Rape accusations

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Could be she wanted fame and fortune and lied when she couldn't marry him.

Could be he's a rapist.

Could be he was one of epsteins friends and the powers that be had to tie up another loose end. We will never know.

[The Liberated Territories]

17 years? I'm sure the statute of limitations would be in place, although I guess it depends.

[USS Monitor]

I remember the rape stuff being a big scandal when it was in the news, but this really isn't the time to dredge it up. I'm not a Kobe fan, but the polite thing to do is leave the past in the past and let the people who liked him mourn.

[Geneviev]

Rape is wrong. But as far as we know, he changed, and he's died now. So there's no reason to bring this up again now.

[The Black Forrest]

As I said I am not a basket ball guy and only know a little about him.

With all the news coming out I can see Kobe had his good moments and his fuckhead moments(twitter comments about a girl who wasn’t at a basketball game).

Bringing up his rape case after his death, the death of his daughter and the deaths of the other young girls and adults does not really do much to address this issue.

For everything there is a time and place; this was the wrong time.

[Forsher]

Michael Jackson did not cease to be Wacko Jacko just because he died. He certainly didn't get accused of being a paedophile out of no-where last year (2018? damn telescoping)... people just forgot that at the time of his death those accusations were what he was most famous for.

JFK didn't miraculously become a good president (or a good person) because he was assassinated.

Steve Jobs didn't become a good person because he died.

All that's happening here is that Kobe Bryant's death created an opportunity for you to look him up or, instead, be informed of something you didn't know.

Respect for the dead, means respecting the person that lived. And that means being honest about them.

I do think it's pretty sad the only reason this is has been brought up is that Kobe is dead. The dead can't defend themselves.

This, right here, is some Grade A and seriously dangerous bullshit. Imagine if instead of Bryant we were talking about Stalin, Mao, Pot, Mugabe, Hitler, Cromwell, William I etc. etc.

[Red Roja]

As I said I am not a basket ball guy and only know a little about him.

With all the news coming out I can see Kobe had his good moments and his fuckhead moments(twitter comments about a girl who wasn’t at a basketball game).

Bringing up his rape case after his death, the death of his daughter and the deaths of the other young girls and adults does not really do much to address this issue.

For everything there is a time and place; this was the wrong time.

He confessed to it. People should know he is a rapist so that they don't wrongly feel bad for him.

At first, I felt awful. But after learning of his heinous crime I can't help but think he got what he deserved. Rape can be an extremely traumatic experience that can leave long-lasting (even life-long) emotional scars. So a rapist died. I am fine with that. Of course, I still feel awful for his daughter and the other innocent people in that helicopter that died.

[The Black Forrest]

Michael Jackson did not cease to be Wacko Jacko just because he died. He certainly didn't get accused of being a paedophile out of no-where last year (2018? damn telescoping)... people just forgot that at the time of his death those accusations were what he was most famous for.

JFK didn't miraculously become a good president (or a good person) because he was assassinated.

Steve Jobs didn't become a good person because he died.

All that's happening here is that Kobe Bryant's death created an opportunity for you to look him up or, instead, be informed of something you didn't know.

Respect for the dead, means respecting the person that lived. And that means being honest about them.

I do think it's pretty sad the only reason this is has been brought up is that Kobe is dead. The dead can't defend themselves.

This, right here, is some Grade A and seriously dangerous bullshit. Imagine if instead of Bryant we were talking about Stalin, Mao, Pot, Mugabe, Hitler, Cromwell, William I etc. etc.

Don’t you usually wait till after he is buried, his daughter is buried, the others are buried?

[USS Monitor]

When people say "don't speak ill of the dead," that generally means recently dead.

Even then, there are limits, but we're not talking about a genocidal dictator here.

[Samadhi]

Eh, personally I don't consider human testimony to be good enough to say someone did something.

[Red Roja]

Eh, personally I don't consider human testimony to be good enough to say someone did something.

He confessed.

[Samadhi]

Eh, personally I don't consider human testimony to be good enough to say someone did something.

He confessed.

To having sex. Not rape.

[The Alma Mater]

Michael Jackson did not cease to be Wacko Jacko just because he died. He certainly didn't get accused of being a paedophile out of no-where last year (2018? damn telescoping)... people just forgot that at the time of his death those accusations were what he was most famous for.

JFK didn't miraculously become a good president (or a good person) because he was assassinated.

Steve Jobs didn't become a good person because he died.

All that's happening here is that Kobe Bryant's death created an opportunity for you to look him up or, instead, be informed of something you didn't know.

Respect for the dead, means respecting the person that lived. And that means being honest about them.



This, right here, is some Grade A and seriously dangerous bullshit. Imagine if instead of Bryant we were talking about Stalin, Mao, Pot, Mugabe, Hitler, Cromwell, William I etc. etc.

Don’t you usually wait till after he is buried, his daughter is buried, the others are buried?

Nah.

Example: in the Netherlands, "meneer Aart", a central character in Dutch Sesame Street for decades as well as the creator of a large number of childrens tvshows died a few weeks ago. Loads of news coverage, the prime minister expressing his fond memories of the character etc. - but also people referencing how he used to cheat on his wife and had not spoken to his daughter for 30 years and how he had once stated in an interview that she had threatened to accuse him of incest if he did not give her husband a job.
All before the grave was dug.

[Red Roja]

He confessed.

To having sex. Not rape.

Non-consensual sex. AKA rape.

[Samadhi]

To having sex. Not rape.

Non-consensual sex. AKA rape.

Nope.

[Juristonia]

Non-consensual sex. AKA rape.

Nope.

If she was underage, yep.

[Samadhi]

Nope.

If she was underage, yep.

19.

[Vassenor]

Non-consensual sex. AKA rape.

Nope.

How is non-consensual sex not rape?

[The Blaatschapen]

Seeing as the accusations were 17 years ago and Kobe has seemingly turned over a new leaf I am conflicted. Rape is a terrible thing and Kobe should not be totally absolved of course. But with all the good Kobe has done and the fact that he did seem regretful about it I am willing to somewhat look past it. That does not mean totally forgiving him or absolving him just not holding it against him if that makes sense.

Same

And the fact that he died in a very tragic manner just a couple of days ago makes all of this feel a bit inappropriate. I mean, they haven't even had his funeral yet.

Don't get me wrong. Rape is a horrible thing and rapists should be held accountable. But 1.), this all came out nearly 20 years ago so IDK why we're bringing it up now, and 2.), even if it was worth bringing up again, this is the wrong time to do it.

Nah, respecting the dead is remembering both the good and the bad.

What is not okay, is gloating, but that hasn't happened here.

Discussion of famous people's bad parts is well within what I consider to be okay.

I say famous, because we're not talking about a family member or fellow NS player here. I am not about to bring this up to his (now former) wife.

[Australian rePublic]

Guy just died. Leave him be RN

[Samadhi]

Nope.

How is non-consensual sex not rape?

He believed he had consent.

[Myrensis]

Gotta love how we can't let the dead rest these days. XXXTentacion dies and not even a day later third wave mysandrists are writing articles calling him an abuser. Kobe dies and not even a day later we bring this up

My suggestion to anyone with anything negative to say is keep your mouth shut, because apart from terrorists or brutal dictators, I believe it isn't right to badmouth the dead. I can't stand my grandmother and she's done countless immoral and probably illegal things, but when she dies, I won't speak about her at all

Why? The dead don't care, and if you're making exceptions at all, even for terrorists and brutal dictators, then clearly you don't actually think respect for the dead is all that absolute a rule.

How is non-consensual sex not rape?

He believed he had consent.

So...like the vast majority of rapists then? "I thought she wanted it." is pretty much the default defense.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Nope.

How is non-consensual sex not rape?

Follow the entire conversation please.

Kobe and a 19 year old woman had sex at a hotel. He admitted they had sex. He never admitted raping her. He was not tried criminally. He was not found guilty in civil court. Wikipedia sums it up nicely.

"Bryant admitted to a sexual encounter with his accuser but denied the assault allegation. The case was dropped after Bryant's accuser refused to testify in the case. A separate civil suit was later filed against Bryant by the woman. This was settled out of court and included Bryant publicly apologizing to his accuser, though admitting no guilt."

I wish people would read.

[Samadhi]

Gotta love how we can't let the dead rest these days. XXXTentacion dies and not even a day later third wave mysandrists are writing articles calling him an abuser. Kobe dies and not even a day later we bring this up

My suggestion to anyone with anything negative to say is keep your mouth shut, because apart from terrorists or brutal dictators, I believe it isn't right to badmouth the dead. I can't stand my grandmother and she's done countless immoral and probably illegal things, but when she dies, I won't speak about her at all

Why? The dead don't care, and if you're making exceptions at all, even for terrorists and brutal dictators, then clearly you don't actually think respect for the dead is all that absolute a rule.

He believed he had consent.

So...like the vast majority of rapists then? "I thought she wanted it." is pretty much the default defense.

Yeah sure, that's hardly relevant information.
But you know, ok.

[Juristonia]

How is non-consensual sex not rape?

He believed he had consent.

That sounds like a him problem.

Believing you're not committing a crime isn't a defence.