2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Cisairse]

We pay more per capita on healthcare than just about any other OECD country. Even a Koch Brothers backed study found that medicare for all would be more cost-effective in the long-term.

I mean, seriously, the math is on the side of Medicare-For-All. I think it's natural for people to see the initial price tag and piss their pants a little bit, lord knows I did at first. But when it comes down to brass tacks, if we're speaking from a purely monetary perspective, even Medicare for All is preferable to our current bloated system.

again dont cry to me when loses and the House flips. I'll just say I told you so and by 2024 the country we know will no longer exist and it will be too late to do anything about climate change

Even if Trump wins re-election, the House is strongly favored to remain under Democratic control.

[Major-Tom]

You keep repeating that but you can't substantiate it.

If I turn out to be wrong, I'll take the loss, but at least I'll have articulated my arguments for my respective candidate.

Id rather not lose

Nobody likes losing, I hate it with a burning passion myself. As I've mentioned plenty of times, any candidate right now is a damn gamble. Some gambles just have better odds than others.

[Nazeroth]

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

Biden can win. Sanders can also win, especially since poll after poll shows that he beats Trump, and that Trump himself has said that Clinton nominating Sanders for VP was a nightmare scenario for him.

He is a shit talker...even as a trump support I know hes just fucking with you, why would you believe him?

[Idzequitch]

Same goes for if we nominate a former VP who is way past his prime, an uninspiring moderate Senator who throws binders at staffers, or a former Corporate lackey with a sketchy past that won 8,000 whole votes in a mayoral race.

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

Here's the thing. This strategy you're following. It's exactly what your party tried in 2016. The votes in the middle you're trying to sway? There just aren't as many to fight over as you think. If you manage to energize the Democratic base, turn out the vote, and unite the Democratic base behind one candidate, I think you have the votes to win. I think Bernie is the best guy to do that, and I say that as one of those people in the middle who's anti-socialism.

[San Lumen]

again dont cry to me when loses and the House flips. I'll just say I told you so and by 2024 the country we know will no longer exist and it will be too late to do anything about climate change

Even if Trump wins re-election, the House is strongly favored to remain under Democratic control.

I don’t think that’s guaranteed if it’s a big enough defeat

[Telconi]

again dont cry to me when loses and the House flips. I'll just say I told you so and by 2024 the country we know will no longer exist and it will be too late to do anything about climate change

Even if Trump wins re-election, the House is strongly favored to remain under Democratic control.

Good. Don't need the House to appoint judges.

[Nazeroth]

again dont cry to me when loses and the House flips. I'll just say I told you so and by 2024 the country we know will no longer exist and it will be too late to do anything about climate change

Even if Trump wins re-election, the House is strongly favored to remain under Democratic control.

so everything stays the same....so nothing changes...

[Cisairse]

I understand the appeal to conservatives, to be honest. Sanders said it himself, his campaign is trying to be more of a big tent than an ideologically rigid leftist hivemind.

that's not true, he and AOC represent the rise of the far-left in the democrat party and they are fighting for power within it.

Bernie isn't a Democrat and has been in congress since 1991, so I really can't fathom how you could conclude that he "represent[s] the rise of the far-left in the democrat party".

[Nazeroth]

that's not true, he and AOC represent the rise of the far-left in the democrat party and they are fighting for power within it.

Bernie isn't a Democrat and has been in congress since 1991, so I really can't fathom how you could conclude that he "represent[s] the rise of the far-left in the democrat party".

because he is a self-admitted socialist and an big outsider who somehow managed to take over large portions of the democratic party

and now he is cozy with AOC

"how can I fathom?" how can you NOT?

[Major-Tom]

Biden can win. Sanders can also win, especially since poll after poll shows that he beats Trump, and that Trump himself has said that Clinton nominating Sanders for VP was a nightmare scenario for him.

He is a shit talker...even as a trump support I know hes just fucking with you, why would you believe him?

As much shit as I give Trump on a daily basis, I break from liberal wisdom when I say that he isn't a moron. Allegations of his present state notwithstanding, I think it's fair to believe that he saw Sanders as a tangible threat. Because he was and still is.

[Telconi]

that's not true, he and AOC represent the rise of the far-left in the democrat party and they are fighting for power within it.

Bernie isn't a Democrat and has been in congress since 1991, so I really can't fathom how you could conclude that he "represent[s] the rise of the far-left in the democrat party".

Seeing as the hypothetical is Bernie winning the Democratic convention, I think that makes him a Democrat.

[Cisairse]

Even if Trump wins re-election, the House is strongly favored to remain under Democratic control.

I don’t think that’s guaranteed if it’s a big enough defeat

People who literally get paid to research this strongly disagree with you.

Even if Trump wins re-election, the House is strongly favored to remain under Democratic control.

so everything stays the same....so nothing changes...

That seems like a likely outcome of the 2020 election, although the Senate majority will narrow. It's also very likely that the presidency will switch. But the majorities in both chambers of congress seem unlikely to change hands.

[Nazeroth]

He is a shit talker...even as a trump support I know hes just fucking with you, why would you believe him?

As much shit as I give Trump on a daily basis, I break from liberal wisdom when I say that he isn't a moron. Allegations of his present state notwithstanding, I think it's fair to believe that he saw Sanders as a tangible threat. Because he was and still is.

Tulsi Gabbard was by far the best shot

she is strong, stable and will actually fight

Sanders can't fight to save his life, I mean he is WEAK

i need to say this again he is fucking W E A K

[San Lumen]

I don’t think that’s guaranteed if it’s a big enough defeat

People who literally get paid to research this strongly disagree with you.

so everything stays the same....so nothing changes...

That seems like a likely outcome of the 2020 election, although the Senate majority will narrow. It's also very likely that the presidency will switch. But the majorities in both chambers of congress seem unlikely to change hands.

And how did that work out in 2016. The so called experts were all wrong

If trump wins again the Supreme Court and judiciary will br right wing for decades to come

[Kargintina the Third]

As much shit as I give Trump on a daily basis, I break from liberal wisdom when I say that he isn't a moron. Allegations of his present state notwithstanding, I think it's fair to believe that he saw Sanders as a tangible threat. Because he was and still is.

Tulsi Gabbard was by far the best shot

she is strong, stable and will actually fight

Sanders can't fight to save his life, I mean he is WEAK

i need to say this again he is fucking W E A K

Lmao Gabbard was a spineless coward

[Pasong Tirad]

As much shit as I give Trump on a daily basis, I break from liberal wisdom when I say that he isn't a moron. Allegations of his present state notwithstanding, I think it's fair to believe that he saw Sanders as a tangible threat. Because he was and still is.

Tulsi Gabbard was by far the best shot

she is strong, stable and will actually fight

Sanders can't fight to save his life, I mean he is WEAK

i need to say this again he is fucking W E A K

Lol wat

[Cisairse]

People who literally get paid to research this strongly disagree with you.



That seems like a likely outcome of the 2020 election, although the Senate majority will narrow. It's also very likely that the presidency will switch. But the majorities in both chambers of congress seem unlikely to change hands.

And how did that work out in 2016. The so called experts were all wrong

Not really. Pre-election polling was actually pretty successful at guessing the outcome of the election. It's just that a lot of pundits assumed the margin of error would skew towards Clinton when in reality it skewed towards Trump.

[Nazeroth]

Tulsi Gabbard was by far the best shot

she is strong, stable and will actually fight

Sanders can't fight to save his life, I mean he is WEAK

i need to say this again he is fucking W E A K

Lol wat

he is spineless as fuck, actually it would be fair to call him a cuck with manner he backs down from biden trashing him.

[Galloism]

People who literally get paid to research this strongly disagree with you.



That seems like a likely outcome of the 2020 election, although the Senate majority will narrow. It's also very likely that the presidency will switch. But the majorities in both chambers of congress seem unlikely to change hands.

And how did that work out in 2016. The so called experts were all wrong

Indeed so.

[Telconi]

And how did that work out in 2016. The so called experts were all wrong

Not really. Pre-election polling was actually pretty successful at guessing the outcome of the election. It's just that a lot of pundits assumed the margin of error would skew towards Clinton when in reality it skewed towards Trump.

This is inherently unable to be verified, we don't have a large sample of 2016 elections to study.

[Pasong Tirad]

Lol wat

he is spineless as fuck, actually it would be fair to call him a cuck with manner he backs down from biden trashing him.

Again, lol. Wat.

[USS Monitor]

honestly, as a trump supporter, the best candidate the Democrats could put against Trump is Tulsi Gabbard

Yes, Gabbard appeals to Trump supporters. That doesn't mean she appeals to anyone else.

[Cisairse]

Not really. Pre-election polling was actually pretty successful at guessing the outcome of the election. It's just that a lot of pundits assumed the margin of error would skew towards Clinton when in reality it skewed towards Trump.

This is inherently unable to be verified, we don't have a large sample of 2016 elections to study.

Actually we have 51 of them.

[Major-Tom]

As much shit as I give Trump on a daily basis, I break from liberal wisdom when I say that he isn't a moron. Allegations of his present state notwithstanding, I think it's fair to believe that he saw Sanders as a tangible threat. Because he was and still is.

Tulsi Gabbard was by far the best shot

she is strong, stable and will actually fight

Sanders can't fight to save his life, I mean he is WEAK

i need to say this again he is fucking W E A K

Tulsi is polling at 2%, and to be honest, I can't be bothered to form an opinion on her. I genuinely can't tell you how she'd fare in a general, but I think you referred to her in the past tense for a reason, because right now, she's not relevant.

And throwing around the word "weak" without anything to back it up is itself a weak argument.

If you're referring to Sanders' heart attack, well I don't know what to tell you. A lot of people have heart attacks. So did Eisenhower. Bill Clinton's heart and health was a medical calamity, Reagan was riding the dementia train in his last few years of office, etc etc. Health problems have no bearing on weakness except in a purely physical sense.

[Kargintina the Third]

I swear the only reason Gabbard still has 2% is just dudes who think she’s hot.