2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Pasong Tirad]

People are ok with their taxes going up and in exchange theu never have to pay a premium or whatever the hell those are ever again. Medicare for all is affordable. If a 2-decade long war in the Middle East didn't bankrupt America, fucking healthcare reform won'r do it.

Math says otherwise

Lol what math

[Telconi]

not sensible people

this guy is a literal, self-admitted socialist

imagine if Trump said " Yes I am actually a Fascist"

The base would still vote for him

Well, yeah... Why not?

[San Lumen]

Math says otherwise

Lol what math

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

[Idzequitch]

Exactly why your party needs to pass on Biden.

its why we shouldn't.

I mean, if people wanna relive 2016 all over again, that's their prerogative, I guess.

[Pasong Tirad]

Lol what math

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

Lol no it isn't.

[Cisairse]

Yes.

I really hope your right because many people dont want to pay more taxes. And Medicare for all is not affordable. It would bankrupt the country.

Because if your wrong all we worked for in 2018 will be wiped out

It would hardly "bankrupt the country." It would merely transfer the cash flow currently going from Americans to private insurance with a new flow going from Americans to the U.S. government.
Some models actually show the total cost of healthcare going down under Medicare-for-All.

Please do your homework.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... mates.html

[Kargintina the Third]

Lol what math

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

The 1% will magically make the money appear even though all of them combined aren’t even near that much

[San Lumen]

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

Lol no it isn't.

Deny reality all you want. Don't cry to me when he loses the election and we lose the house because ill just say i told you so

[Major-Tom]

Lol what math

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

We pay more per capita on healthcare than just about any other OECD country. Even a Koch Brothers backed study found that medicare for all would be more cost-effective in the long-term.

I mean, seriously, the math is on the side of Medicare-For-All. I think it's natural for people to see the initial price tag and piss their pants a little bit, lord knows I did at first. But when it comes down to brass tacks, if we're speaking from a purely monetary perspective, even Medicare for All is preferable to our current bloated system.

[Pasong Tirad]

Lol no it isn't.

Deny reality all you want. Don't cry to me when he loses the election and we lose the house because ill just say i told you so

Deny reality says the guy who thinks it'll cost more than what the US spends to fund its military to finance M4A, without proof.

[Kargintina the Third]

I don’t know where the fantasy of conservatives liking Bernie comes from but I can say from first hand experience it is completely unfounded and has no basis in reality.

[San Lumen]

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

We pay more per capita on healthcare than just about any other OECD country. Even a Koch Brothers backed study found that medicare for all would be more cost-effective in the long-term.

I mean, seriously, the math is on the side of Medicare-For-All. I think it's natural for people to see the initial price tag and piss their pants a little bit, lord knows I did at first. But when it comes down to brass tacks, if we're speaking from a purely monetary perspective, even Medicare for All is preferable to our current bloated system.

again dont cry to me when loses and the House flips. I'll just say I told you so and by 2024 the country we know will no longer exist and it will be too late to do anything about climate change

[Major-Tom]

Lol no it isn't.

Deny reality all you want. Don't cry to me when he loses the election and we lose the house because ill just say i told you so

Same goes for if we nominate a former VP who is way past his prime, an uninspiring moderate Senator who throws binders at staffers, or a former Corporate lackey with a sketchy past that won 8,000 whole votes in a mayoral race.

[Major-Tom]

We pay more per capita on healthcare than just about any other OECD country. Even a Koch Brothers backed study found that medicare for all would be more cost-effective in the long-term.

I mean, seriously, the math is on the side of Medicare-For-All. I think it's natural for people to see the initial price tag and piss their pants a little bit, lord knows I did at first. But when it comes down to brass tacks, if we're speaking from a purely monetary perspective, even Medicare for All is preferable to our current bloated system.

again dont cry to me when loses and the House flips. I'll just say I told you so and by 2024 the country we know will no longer exist and it will be too late to do anything about climate change

....How does that all remotely address what I said?

[San Lumen]

Deny reality all you want. Don't cry to me when he loses the election and we lose the house because ill just say i told you so

Same goes for if we nominate a former VP who is way past his prime, an uninspiring moderate Senator who throws binders at staffers, or a former Corporate lackey with a sketchy past that won 8,000 whole votes in a mayoral race.

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

[Idzequitch]

Lol no it isn't.

Deny reality all you want. Don't cry to me when he loses the election and we lose the house because ill just say i told you so

At least the Bernie-type option hasn't been tried and failed before. Because you just said exactly what I would say to you when Biden gifts Trump the election.

[Nazeroth]

I don’t know where the fantasy of conservatives liking Bernie comes from but I can say from first hand experience it is completely unfounded and has no basis in reality.

It's like a little kid and his imagination, hes completley deluded, but it's cute to watch and he seems at least true to himself.

[Major-Tom]

Same goes for if we nominate a former VP who is way past his prime, an uninspiring moderate Senator who throws binders at staffers, or a former Corporate lackey with a sketchy past that won 8,000 whole votes in a mayoral race.

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

You keep repeating that but you can't substantiate it.

If I turn out to be wrong, I'll take the loss, but at least I'll have articulated my arguments for my respective candidate.

[Cisairse]

It would literally be the entire current budget of the country to pay for it. Where are we going to get that kind of money? Grow it on trees?

The 1% will magically make the money appear even though all of them combined aren’t even near that much

The total combined net worth of the 1% is about $34.5 trillion. That is an order of magnitude (ten times) more than the total cost of Medicare-for-All.

[Cisairse]

Same goes for if we nominate a former VP who is way past his prime, an uninspiring moderate Senator who throws binders at staffers, or a former Corporate lackey with a sketchy past that won 8,000 whole votes in a mayoral race.

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

Reality disagrees with you.

[Pasong Tirad]

I don’t know where the fantasy of conservatives liking Bernie comes from but I can say from first hand experience it is completely unfounded and has no basis in reality.

Ah, yes. Anecdotal evidence. The best kind.

[Major-Tom]

I don’t know where the fantasy of conservatives liking Bernie comes from but I can say from first hand experience it is completely unfounded and has no basis in reality.

I understand the appeal to conservatives, to be honest. Sanders said it himself, his campaign is trying to be more of a big tent than an ideologically rigid leftist hivemind.

[Pasong Tirad]

Same goes for if we nominate a former VP who is way past his prime, an uninspiring moderate Senator who throws binders at staffers, or a former Corporate lackey with a sketchy past that won 8,000 whole votes in a mayoral race.

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

Biden can win. Sanders can also win, especially since poll after poll shows that he beats Trump, and that Trump himself has said that Clinton nominating Sanders for VP was a nightmare scenario for him.

[San Lumen]

Biden would win. Sanders would lose in landslide

You keep repeating that but you can't substantiate it.

If I turn out to be wrong, I'll take the loss, but at least I'll have articulated my arguments for my respective candidate.

Id rather not lose

[Nazeroth]

I don’t know where the fantasy of conservatives liking Bernie comes from but I can say from first hand experience it is completely unfounded and has no basis in reality.

I understand the appeal to conservatives, to be honest. Sanders said it himself, his campaign is trying to be more of a big tent than an ideologically rigid leftist hivemind.

that's not true, he and AOC represent the rise of the far-left in the democrat party and they are fighting for power within it.