2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[San Lumen]

And your alternative is what? You cannot please 100 percent of the people. Someone will always disagree hence why no referendum or contested election ever gets 100 percent of the vote.

Put an end to FPTP so that minorities have greater say in decisions. It is inevitable that some will be unhappy, but that is no excuse to retain a system where half the population is at odds with the other half for supremacy. Democracy should not be a zero-sum game.

What system would you have in its place/

[The Black Forrest]

It leads to the dark side.

But as we know now you can easily turn back to good as long as you fall in love with a plucky scavenger

Oh don’t bring up that horrid movie. The leaked script was WAY better then Skywalker.

[San Lumen]

If you understand this why do you therefore call for elected officials imprisonment and violence against those who disagree?

because individuals like yourself will surley attempt to get anyone standing in the way of tyrannical authority be imprisoned.

Im sorry but were is the tyranny and who is being imprisioned unfairly?

[Nazeroth]

because individuals like yourself will surley attempt to get anyone standing in the way of tyrannical authority be imprisoned.

Im sorry but were is the tyranny and who is being imprisioned unfairly?

If he were to make such calls he would be imprisoned, something I'm sure you would agree with.

[Northern Davincia]

So, I see there was another poll released in NH today. The breakdown:

Sanders 29%
Biden 22%
Warren 16%
Buttigieg 10%
Klobuchar 5%

No one else got above 5%. This confirms other trends we have seen: Sanders continues to lead although the rest behind him seems to be up in the air. For Biden, he has maintained somewhere around 14-17% so this is a poll he's doing better in. Same for Warren, who has seen her support range from 10-13%. Buttigieg on the other hand, sees a big drop from his 15-18% range. Needless to say, Sanders is likely to win there. The question, can he win in Iowa, and bigly too? Because if so, his chances of winning go up.

And Democrats will blow a winnable election

They will do that anyway.

Put an end to FPTP so that minorities have greater say in decisions. It is inevitable that some will be unhappy, but that is no excuse to retain a system where half the population is at odds with the other half for supremacy. Democracy should not be a zero-sum game.

What system would you have in its place/

Parliamentary legislature with ranked voter choice. The Speaker of the House would effectively be Prime Minister. A semi-presidential republic, if you will.

[San Lumen]

And Democrats will blow a winnable election

They will do that anyway.

What system would you have in its place/

Parliamentary legislature with ranked voter choice. The Speaker of the House would effectively be Prime Minister. A semi-presidential republic, if you will.

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

But by your logic no system is fair because someone voted for the person or persons who lost therefore they are not represented by them.

[Northern Davincia]

They will do that anyway.

Parliamentary legislature with ranked voter choice. The Speaker of the House would effectively be Prime Minister. A semi-presidential republic, if you will.

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

But by your logic no system is fair because someone voted for the person or persons who lost therefore they are not represented by them.

I am not seeking a "fair" system, but a fairer system where less people are left out. Sanders is electable as far as Democrats go.

[The Black Forrest]

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

But by your logic no system is fair because someone voted for the person or persons who lost therefore they are not represented by them.

I am not seeking a "fair" system, but a fairer system where less people are left out. Sanders is electable as far as Democrats go.

Who is being left out?

[Necroghastia]

They will do that anyway.

Parliamentary legislature with ranked voter choice. The Speaker of the House would effectively be Prime Minister. A semi-presidential republic, if you will.

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

But by your logic no system is fair because someone voted for the person or persons who lost therefore they are not represented by them.

You mixed up Sanders' and Biden's names, methinks.

[Northern Davincia]

I am not seeking a "fair" system, but a fairer system where less people are left out. Sanders is electable as far as Democrats go.

Who is being left out?

With FPTP, 49% of the population at most.

[San Lumen]

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

But by your logic no system is fair because someone voted for the person or persons who lost therefore they are not represented by them.

I am not seeking a "fair" system, but a fairer system where less people are left out. Sanders is electable as far as Democrats go.

Lets have an election for Governor. In RCV or IRV which if im not mistaken is very similar if not the same thing lets say after the ballots are counted one person gets 50 percent of the vote. Under that system they win outright and no more counting is done. is that fair to you?

[Telconi]

Who said anything about a plot? I understand he was elected, It isn't difficult for me to grasp seeing as I've grasped it continuously over the preceding decades since I was taught basic civics in school.

I don't know Inslee's beliefs.

If you understand this why do you therefore call for elected officials imprisonment and violence against those who disagree?

Because the electoral system has naught to do with the elected official being scum.

I don't advocate for violence against people who disagree, I advocate for people who advocate for evil policy to have their franchise stripped.

[San Lumen]

If you understand this why do you therefore call for elected officials imprisonment and violence against those who disagree?

Because the electoral system has naught to do with the elected official being scum.

I don't advocate for violence against people who disagree, I advocate for people who advocate for evil policy to have their franchise stripped.

So in other words anyone who disagrees with you should not be allowed to vote.

[United States of Devonta]

Because the electoral system has naught to do with the elected official being scum.

I don't advocate for violence against people who disagree, I advocate for people who advocate for evil policy to have their franchise stripped.

So in other words anyone who disagrees with you should not be allowed to vote.

Can we not go through with this again, its settled, Telconi hates Democracy and anyone with an opposing opinion.

[Senkaku]

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

you have the political instincts of a sea cucumber

Who is being left out?

With FPTP, 49% of the population at most.

I'm on board w a semi-presidential system tbh, it always blows my fucking mind that people like and want to stick with FPTP

[Telconi]

Because the electoral system has naught to do with the elected official being scum.

I don't advocate for violence against people who disagree, I advocate for people who advocate for evil policy to have their franchise stripped.

So in other words anyone who disagrees with you should not be allowed to vote.

For probably the four thousandth time, no. But alas, I think this is never going to end.

[Northern Davincia]

I am not seeking a "fair" system, but a fairer system where less people are left out. Sanders is electable as far as Democrats go.

Lets have an election for Governor. In RCV or IRV which if im not mistaken is very similar if not the same thing lets say after the ballots are counted one person gets 50 percent of the vote. Under that system they win outright and no more counting is done. is that fair to you?

Sure. At the very least, it narrows down the ballot to those most acceptable to the people. The real benefits of RCV comes in legislatures, not executives.

[The Black Forrest]

Who is being left out?

With FPTP, 49% of the population at most.

Oh I understand now. Yea. I have never been comfortable with that one.

[Northern Davincia]

Sanders is unelectable. Biden would win in my view but Democrats seem keen on shooting themselves in the foot.

you have the political instincts of a sea cucumber

With FPTP, 49% of the population at most.

I'm on board w a semi-presidential system tbh, it always blows my fucking mind that people like and want to stick with FPTP

FPTP is simple, that is why people like it. Many people are willing to accept things that hurt them as long as it makes sense to them.

[Zurkerx]

So, I see there was another poll released in NH today. The breakdown:

Sanders 29%
Biden 22%
Warren 16%
Buttigieg 10%
Klobuchar 5%

No one else got above 5%. This confirms other trends we have seen: Sanders continues to lead although the rest behind him seems to be up in the air. For Biden, he has maintained somewhere around 14-17% so this is a poll he's doing better in. Same for Warren, who has seen her support range from 10-13%. Buttigieg on the other hand, sees a big drop from his 15-18% range. Needless to say, Sanders is likely to win there. The question, can he win in Iowa, and bigly too? Because if so, his chances of winning go up.

And Democrats will blow a winnable election

Not in NH they won't at least: Trump is not popular there. Of course, Sanders is viewed more of a risk for the General but, we should remind ourselves the Republicans took that same risk too, and won. Not that I think Sanders will face significant challenges in places like Florida or Ohio, but I do think he has a decent shot at winning if he can turn the economic argument against Trump.

[Telconi]

With FPTP, 49% of the population at most.

Oh I understand now. Yea. I have never been comfortable with that one.

I think the most effective way of addressing this is robust protections. The 49% losing wouldn't be in such a hard place if they knew their well-being was effectively protected.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And Democrats will blow a winnable election

Not in NH they won't at least: Trump is not popular there. Of course, Sanders is viewed more of a risk for the General but, we should remind ourselves the Republicans took that same risk too, and won. Not that I think Sanders will face significant challenges in places like Florida or Ohio, but I do think he has a decent shot at winning if he can turn the economic argument against Trump.

The big concern with Sanders imo is that Trump could dumb a lot of his ideas down to "Bernie is gonna raise your taxes, and it's not gonna be just a little bit okay, he's gonna raise them a lot." and just hammer him on things like that.

[Nazeroth]

Not in NH they won't at least: Trump is not popular there. Of course, Sanders is viewed more of a risk for the General but, we should remind ourselves the Republicans took that same risk too, and won. Not that I think Sanders will face significant challenges in places like Florida or Ohio, but I do think he has a decent shot at winning if he can turn the economic argument against Trump.

The big concern with Sanders imo is that Trump could dumb a lot of his ideas down to "Bernie is gonna raise your taxes, and it's not gonna be just a little bit okay, he's gonna raise them a lot." and just hammer him on things like that.

oh Trump will eat him alive on the debate stage with that stuff

[Kargintina the Third]

The big concern with Sanders imo is that Trump could dumb a lot of his ideas down to "Bernie is gonna raise your taxes, and it's not gonna be just a little bit okay, he's gonna raise them a lot." and just hammer him on things like that.

oh Trump will eat him alive on the debate stage with that stuff

Biden is so think skinned he would get slaughtered on the debate stage. Trump just has to call him sleepy joe once during a silent period and Biden will melt into the stage.

[Senkaku]

Not in NH they won't at least: Trump is not popular there. Of course, Sanders is viewed more of a risk for the General but, we should remind ourselves the Republicans took that same risk too, and won. Not that I think Sanders will face significant challenges in places like Florida or Ohio, but I do think he has a decent shot at winning if he can turn the economic argument against Trump.

The big concern with Sanders imo is that Trump could dumb a lot of his ideas down to "Bernie is gonna raise your taxes, and it's not gonna be just a little bit okay, he's gonna raise them a lot." and just hammer him on things like that.

Those are also things he would say about every other Democrat lol

the problem with constantly crying socialism with Obama and Clinton is now that you actually have a socialist in the game, the outrage can't get cranked up much further about it