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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
27
59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:06 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Vietnam was a just war, much like Korea, it was just executed badly.


"Just a war" yeah ight. Lemme know when terrorists cause more destruction

Lemme know when this happens because of random wingnuts and not a government: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726

My Lai was certainly one of the most terrible acts committed in the war, yet South Vietnam had every right to exist freely from communist rule.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:11 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I guess we're at an impasse then, I suppose we'll just continue hating one another forever.

I don't hate you. I never said that I did. I don't hate anyone on NSG really. I dissagree, yes. But hate? No.


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-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:So did I.

This is rather entertaining though

I love how we went from government reform to whatever this is about


We're still talking about government reform.
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-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:14 pm

Meanwhile, the Georgia Senate Special Election is being comlicated on the Republican side as Doug Collins is expected to announce he's standing against Loeffler in the Primary: https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-doug-collins-expected-run-004204104.html
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I love how we went from government reform to whatever this is about


We're still talking about government reform.

I dont see how its relevant.

I find it truly astonishing your that not only do you want only who those who with you to vote but also elected officials you disagree with elected freely and fairly imprisoned or blackmailed and also want violence against areas who vote differently. You do realize blackmail and vandalism are crimes correct?

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We're still talking about government reform.

I dont see how its relevant.

I find it truly astonishing your that not only do you want only who those who with you to vote but also elected officials you disagree with elected freely and fairly imprisoned or blackmailed and also want violence against areas who vote differently. You do realize blackmail and vandalism are crimes correct?


your not better because you stand on legality as a form to perform tyranny, sorry, not buying it.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:16 pm

Shrillland wrote:Meanwhile, the Georgia Senate Special Election is being comlicated on the Republican side as Doug Collins is expected to announce he's standing against Loeffler in the Primary: https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-doug-collins-expected-run-004204104.html

And Trump will likely endorse him and Republican primary voters will vote for him since Kemp had the audacity to defy him.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We're still talking about government reform.

I dont see how its relevant.

I find it truly astonishing your that not only do you want only who those who with you to vote but also elected officials you disagree with elected freely and fairly imprisoned or blackmailed and also want violence against areas who vote differently. You do realize blackmail and vandalism are crimes correct?


I don't want violence against people who vote differently. I want them to stop advocating for mistreatment of me and my family. They're people, they have the capacity to make decisions, they can very well go to a poll and vote for someone less evil than Gavin fucking Newsom.
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-Gender Equality
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Meanwhile, the Georgia Senate Special Election is being comlicated on the Republican side as Doug Collins is expected to announce he's standing against Loeffler in the Primary: https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-doug-collins-expected-run-004204104.html

And Trump will likely endorse him and Republican primary voters will vote for him since Kemp had the audacity to defy him.

You sound displeased by this.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I don't hate you. I never said that I did. I don't hate anyone on NSG really. I dissagree, yes. But hate? No.


(X)


I really don't hate you tho

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont see how its relevant.

I find it truly astonishing your that not only do you want only who those who with you to vote but also elected officials you disagree with elected freely and fairly imprisoned or blackmailed and also want violence against areas who vote differently. You do realize blackmail and vandalism are crimes correct?


I don't want violence against people who vote differently. I want them to stop advocating for mistreatment of me and my family. They're people, they have the capacity to make decisions, they can very well go to a poll and vote for someone less evil than Gavin fucking Newsom.


Yeah everyone on the coast is plotting against you. For the zillionth time he was elected in a free and fair election and got the most votes. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Washington is voting for Governor this year. Incumbent Jay Inslee will likely get a third term due to ranking up large margins in the Puget Sound region. Are the people of that region evil because they voted different from a rural community on the border with Idaho?

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Postby Kargintina the Third » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:23 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
(X)


I really don't hate you tho

Hate is never the answer
Representative Earl Tenson (R-MT-All)

Senate candidate Christina Mudale (R-AL)

Senator Nickolai Dernilski (D-OH)

Houston Mayor Harold Baines (D-TX)

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And Trump will likely endorse him and Republican primary voters will vote for him since Kemp had the audacity to defy him.

You sound displeased by this.

Doing whatever the leader says and believing everything they say is the textbook definition of a cult.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't want violence against people who vote differently. I want them to stop advocating for mistreatment of me and my family. They're people, they have the capacity to make decisions, they can very well go to a poll and vote for someone less evil than Gavin fucking Newsom.


Yeah everyone on the coast is plotting against you. For the zillionth time he was elected in a free and fair election and got the most votes. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Washington is voting for Governor this year. Incumbent Jay Inslee will likely get a third term due to ranking up large margins in the Puget Sound region. Are the people of that region evil because they voted different from a rural community on the border with Idaho?

You do realize that election outcomes hurt the people that lose? It doesn't matter if the election was free and fair, because the 49% will get hurt by the 51% if the majority wills it.
San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You sound displeased by this.

Doing whatever the leader says and believing everything they say is the textbook definition of a cult.

You do the exact same thing.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You sound displeased by this.

Doing whatever the leader says and believing everything they say is the textbook definition of a cult.

Just like Bernie
Representative Earl Tenson (R-MT-All)

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:29 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah everyone on the coast is plotting against you. For the zillionth time he was elected in a free and fair election and got the most votes. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Washington is voting for Governor this year. Incumbent Jay Inslee will likely get a third term due to ranking up large margins in the Puget Sound region. Are the people of that region evil because they voted different from a rural community on the border with Idaho?

You do realize that election outcomes hurt the people that lose? It doesn't matter if the election was free and fair, because the 49% will get hurt by the 51% if the majority wills it.
San Lumen wrote:Doing whatever the leader says and believing everything they say is the textbook definition of a cult.

You do the exact same thing.


And your alternative is what? You cannot please 100 percent of the people. Someone will always disagree hence why no referendum or contested election ever gets 100 percent of the vote.

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:29 pm

So, I see there was another poll released in NH today. The breakdown:

Sanders 29%
Biden 22%
Warren 16%
Buttigieg 10%
Klobuchar 5%

No one else got above 5%. This confirms other trends we have seen: Sanders continues to lead although the rest behind him seems to be up in the air. For Biden, he has maintained somewhere around 14-17% so this is a poll he's doing better in. Same for Warren, who has seen her support range from 10-13%. Buttigieg on the other hand, sees a big drop from his 15-18% range. Needless to say, Sanders is likely to win there. The question, can he win in Iowa, and bigly too? Because if so, his chances of winning go up.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't want violence against people who vote differently. I want them to stop advocating for mistreatment of me and my family. They're people, they have the capacity to make decisions, they can very well go to a poll and vote for someone less evil than Gavin fucking Newsom.


Yeah everyone on the coast is plotting against you. For the zillionth time he was elected in a free and fair election and got the most votes. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Washington is voting for Governor this year. Incumbent Jay Inslee will likely get a third term due to ranking up large margins in the Puget Sound region. Are the people of that region evil because they voted different from a rural community on the border with Idaho?


Who said anything about a plot? I understand he was elected, It isn't difficult for me to grasp seeing as I've grasped it continuously over the preceding decades since I was taught basic civics in school.

I don't know Inslee's beliefs.
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-Weapons Rights
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-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
(X)


I really don't hate you tho


Yes, you've said that before.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:31 pm

Zurkerx wrote:So, I see there was another poll released in NH today. The breakdown:

Sanders 29%
Biden 22%
Warren 16%
Buttigieg 10%
Klobuchar 5%

No one else got above 5%. This confirms other trends we have seen: Sanders continues to lead although the rest behind him seems to be up in the air. For Biden, he has maintained somewhere around 14-17% so this is a poll he's doing better in. Same for Warren, who has seen her support range from 10-13%. Buttigieg on the other hand, sees a big drop from his 15-18% range. Needless to say, Sanders is likely to win there. The question, can he win in Iowa, and bigly too? Because if so, his chances of winning go up.

And Democrats will blow a winnable election

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah everyone on the coast is plotting against you. For the zillionth time he was elected in a free and fair election and got the most votes. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Washington is voting for Governor this year. Incumbent Jay Inslee will likely get a third term due to ranking up large margins in the Puget Sound region. Are the people of that region evil because they voted different from a rural community on the border with Idaho?


Who said anything about a plot? I understand he was elected, It isn't difficult for me to grasp seeing as I've grasped it continuously over the preceding decades since I was taught basic civics in school.

I don't know Inslee's beliefs.


If you understand this why do you therefore call for elected officials imprisonment and violence against those who disagree?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You do realize that election outcomes hurt the people that lose? It doesn't matter if the election was free and fair, because the 49% will get hurt by the 51% if the majority wills it.

You do the exact same thing.


And your alternative is what? You cannot please 100 percent of the people. Someone will always disagree hence why no referendum or contested election ever gets 100 percent of the vote.

Put an end to FPTP so that minorities have greater say in decisions. It is inevitable that some will be unhappy, but that is no excuse to retain a system where half the population is at odds with the other half for supremacy. Democracy should not be a zero-sum game.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:33 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I really don't hate you tho

Hate is never the answer


It leads to the dark side.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Who said anything about a plot? I understand he was elected, It isn't difficult for me to grasp seeing as I've grasped it continuously over the preceding decades since I was taught basic civics in school.

I don't know Inslee's beliefs.


If you understand this why do you therefore call for elected officials imprisonment and violence against those who disagree?


because individuals like yourself will surley attempt to get anyone standing in the way of tyrannical authority be imprisoned.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:Hate is never the answer


It leads to the dark side.

But as we know now you can easily turn back to good as long as you fall in love with a plucky scavenger
Representative Earl Tenson (R-MT-All)

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