2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Zurkerx]

Mayor de Blasio endorses Sanders

Well, that's no surprise there. Not sure though if he wants the endorsement of an unpopular Mayor.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

HRC was a flawed candidate. Hell, she should have let Bill do all the talking. Or better yet, the party should have let Sanders win the nomination and not fuck him over with Super Delegates, which happens to be the nominating process's equivalent of Electoral College. Ironic, isn't it?

I can't believe I'm hearing that from you. "The party should have let Sanders win the nomination" how? By being more biased towards him than they were towards Clinton?

Surely you're aware that the superdelegates sided with the plurality winner, as they really should in a 2 way race.

538 now has “No One” as the most likely option for the Dem Primary.

That number I expect to keep going up UNTIL another candidate drops out. Very few delegates are pledged yet, in other words, splitting of the vote (which is what leads to No Result) has barely begun.

And if there is No Result it just means a second (perhaps third) ballot at the Convention. It will be fine.

[Jerzylvania]

Pathetic. Who cares about some motherfucking argument when the country's immortal soul is at stake.

You would vote for Bloomberg, a sexist, racist, totalitarian, anti-gun, billionaire, and you dare to make the argument that the immortal soul of the nation is at stake if we let Trump win again?

Holy fuck dude that’s some massive hypocrisy. Bloomberg is just as corrupt as Trump, if not more so, yet you think a Republican two time mayor is a great way to unseat Trump?

Fuck that noise. I won’t vote for the plutocracy, I’m not going to compromise my morals just to remove Trump.

As I have suspected, you'd be fine with a Trump second term. It's just a matter of finding a cheap excuse to not vote for the Dem candidate.

Fucking what? Did you not see where I said I’d unironically vote for the fucking CPUSA? How does that mean I’d be fine with a 2nd Trump term?

Did you not read my post where I said I voted for Hillary, begrudgingly, in 2016? Have you seen all the times I’ve criticized Trump on a shit ton of things? But because I won’t toss my morals out the window and vote for corruption, the 1% defined, and an oligarch I’m somehow a Trump supporter.

I will be voting for Sanders in 2020, I’ll begrudgingly vote Warren if I have to, I would gladly vote Gabbard, and I would vote Klobuchar if I had to.

I will not vote for Bloomberg. Not going to happen. Yet because I won’t “vote blue no matter who” I’m somehow an evil Trump supporter

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Mayor de Blasio endorses Sanders

Well, that's no surprise there. Not sure though if he wants the endorsement of an unpopular Mayor.

De Blasio seems to be in the low 40's for job approval. BUT among Democrats it has to be higher (the poll is on NYT if anyone wants details). Its among Democrats that his popularity matters for the purposes of a primary.

So I expect de Blasio's endorsement is very welcome. Though NY's primary is April 28 after most states have voted.

[Post War America]

You would vote for Bloomberg, a sexist, racist, totalitarian, anti-gun, billionaire, and you dare to make the argument that the immortal soul of the nation is at stake if we let Trump win again?

Holy fuck dude that’s some massive hypocrisy. Bloomberg is just as corrupt as Trump, if not more so, yet you think a Republican two time mayor is a great way to unseat Trump?

Fuck that noise. I won’t vote for the plutocracy, I’m not going to compromise my morals just to remove Trump.


Fucking what? Did you not see where I said I’d unironically vote for the fucking CPUSA? How does that mean I’d be fine with a 2nd Trump term?

Did you not read my post where I said I voted for Hillary, begrudgingly, in 2016? Have you seen all the times I’ve criticized Trump on a shit ton of things? But because I won’t toss my morals out the window and vote for corruption, the 1% defined, and an oligarch I’m somehow a Trump supporter.

I will be voting for Sanders in 2020, I’ll begrudgingly vote Warren if I have to, I would gladly vote Gabbard, and I would vote Klobuchar if I had to.

I will not vote for Bloomberg. Not going to happen. Yet because I won’t “vote blue no matter who” I’m somehow an evil Trump supporter

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

[Diopolis]

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

But that's what really matters to the neverneverTrump crowd, as we all know.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Well that sounds exciting.

I know. We'd get Trump and republican supermajorities!

Supermajority in the Senate isn't going to happen. This time around Republicans are in the situation Democrats were 2018: they're incumbent in most seats so there isn't much more for them to gain (and lots to lose). Dems hold 12 seats, you'd need 7 of them to break filibusters. The full supermajority is impossible.

But take heart, you don't need that supermajority. You can just abolish the filibuster. And say "it was self defense dems would have done the same"

[Post War America]

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

But that's what really matters to the neverneverTrump crowd, as we all know.

Its almost as if Dems are using Trump as an excuse to shame anyone left of Milton Friedman into shutting up and accepting a corporate candidate.

[Bear Stearns]

i'm drunk right now so ya'll are in for a treat

[Rojava Free State]

i'm drunk right now so ya'll are in for a treat

Ima be spliffing tomorrow so you're gonna have to deal with this again on Saturday

[Diopolis]

i'm drunk right now so ya'll are in for a treat

Ima be spliffing tomorrow so you're gonna have to deal with this again on Saturday

Oh, I can't wait to watch this. Both of yall.

[True Refuge]

You would vote for Bloomberg, a sexist, racist, totalitarian, anti-gun, billionaire, and you dare to make the argument that the immortal soul of the nation is at stake if we let Trump win again?

Holy fuck dude that’s some massive hypocrisy. Bloomberg is just as corrupt as Trump, if not more so, yet you think a Republican two time mayor is a great way to unseat Trump?

Fuck that noise. I won’t vote for the plutocracy, I’m not going to compromise my morals just to remove Trump.


Fucking what? Did you not see where I said I’d unironically vote for the fucking CPUSA? How does that mean I’d be fine with a 2nd Trump term?

Did you not read my post where I said I voted for Hillary, begrudgingly, in 2016? Have you seen all the times I’ve criticized Trump on a shit ton of things? But because I won’t toss my morals out the window and vote for corruption, the 1% defined, and an oligarch I’m somehow a Trump supporter.

I will be voting for Sanders in 2020, I’ll begrudgingly vote Warren if I have to, I would gladly vote Gabbard, and I would vote Klobuchar if I had to.

I will not vote for Bloomberg. Not going to happen. Yet because I won’t “vote blue no matter who” I’m somehow an evil Trump supporter

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

Somehow a leftist being committed to leftist opinions and principles on plutocracy is a right-wing infiltration of a leftist campaign? You really don’t understand why people who’s whole ideology despises people like Bloomberg even more than Trump at all, do you?

Bloomberg is the epitome of everything progressives, egalitarians, pacifists, and economic leftists are fighting against in politics, yet you portray the resulting reluctance to put him in power as Trumpism. Unbelievable.

You’re thinking in the short-term, about beating Trump right now at any cost with any candidate. Problem is, it can’t just be the bare minimum reliance on Vote Blue No Matter What. Maybe Bloomberg will somehow win, which he can’t. He pisses off every progressive voter and continues the US’ de facto lobbyist oligarchy. The DNC looks bad for nominating someone that is perceived as transparently buying the nomination. Independents will be turned off. A Bloomberg presidency would be a disaster, even more than a second term Trump presidency.

This attitude didn’t work for 2016, and it’s going to work even less this year.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

What's a brokered convention?

It's what happens if a party fails to nominate someone in the first round of voting at the end of a primary and it's just in general a big shit-show. Especially nowadays it would be really bad.

So the first round, every delegate is pledged to vote for their candidate. No-one gets a majority so they go to the second round where
(a) automatic delegates get the plurality winner over the line, or
(b) delegates for the third and/or fourth runners get the plurality winner over the line,
(c) a combination of a and b,
(d) third and fourth get behind the second runner, making a large enough faction for automatic delegates to add to and win, or
(e) delegates for third or fourth runners stick with their failing candidate and force another ballot.

(d) would be controversial, going against the common expectation that FPTP should win.
(e) is annoying and would look incompetent, but it's still not rioting in the streets. If things start to get nasty I expect the automatic delegates go to whichever coalition can be gotten over the 50% line. Most automatic delegates are DNC members, they have a vested interest in their Convention not being a farce.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

i'm drunk right now so ya'll are in for a treat

Don't get yourself a warning. Or if you do make it pay.

[Cedoria]

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

Bloomberg is the Licinius Crassus of America. He is in policy and personality at least as vile as Trump. Just less stupid about it and better at hiding it.

If I were an American, I'd vote for pretty much any Democratic candidate over Trump. Some happily, some less happily. Bloomberg might be the only one I'd stay home for.

[Thermodolia]

You would vote for Bloomberg, a sexist, racist, totalitarian, anti-gun, billionaire, and you dare to make the argument that the immortal soul of the nation is at stake if we let Trump win again?

Holy fuck dude that’s some massive hypocrisy. Bloomberg is just as corrupt as Trump, if not more so, yet you think a Republican two time mayor is a great way to unseat Trump?

Fuck that noise. I won’t vote for the plutocracy, I’m not going to compromise my morals just to remove Trump.


Fucking what? Did you not see where I said I’d unironically vote for the fucking CPUSA? How does that mean I’d be fine with a 2nd Trump term?

Did you not read my post where I said I voted for Hillary, begrudgingly, in 2016? Have you seen all the times I’ve criticized Trump on a shit ton of things? But because I won’t toss my morals out the window and vote for corruption, the 1% defined, and an oligarch I’m somehow a Trump supporter.

I will be voting for Sanders in 2020, I’ll begrudgingly vote Warren if I have to, I would gladly vote Gabbard, and I would vote Klobuchar if I had to.

I will not vote for Bloomberg. Not going to happen. Yet because I won’t “vote blue no matter who” I’m somehow an evil Trump supporter

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Alright Darth Jerzy

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

Me a, fucking Titoist, is right wing? Hahahahaha. Holy shit dude.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

So just because I won’t vote for corruption, an oligarch, and a billionaire I’m a trump snake? Lol

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

Somehow a leftist being committed to leftist opinions and principles on plutocracy is a right-wing infiltration of a leftist campaign? You really don’t understand why people who’s whole ideology despises people like Bloomberg even more than Trump at all, do you?

Bloomberg is the epitome of everything progressives, egalitarians, pacifists, and economic leftists are fighting against in politics, yet you portray the resulting reluctance to put him in power as Trumpism. Unbelievable.

You’re thinking in the short-term, about beating Trump right now at any cost with any candidate. Problem is, it can’t just be the bare minimum reliance on Vote Blue No Matter What. Maybe Bloomberg will somehow win, which he can’t. He pisses off every progressive voter and continues the US’ de facto lobbyist oligarchy.

The strike against lobbyists is that they influence policy with money. (It's a bit unfair btw, plenty of organizations lobby WITHOUT handing over money).

Bloomberg has plenty of money, so what's your concern? That in office, he will influence other politicians using his money?

The DNC looks bad for nominating someone that is perceived as transparently buying the nomination.

Yeah, I agree with that. It's not a fatal hit though, unless (as with debate access) they change rules to favor him. They will look helpless but not complicit.

Independents will be turned off.

Why? And also, why haven't you considered that he could win Republican votes? never Trumpers who our strategy towards is otherwise "let's hope they stay home".

A Bloomberg presidency would be a disaster, even more than a second term Trump presidency.

This attitude didn’t work for 2016, and it’s going to work even less this year.

You have no idea how bad a second Trump presidency will be. Hopefully none of us find out.

[Bear Stearns]

i'm drunk right now so ya'll are in for a treat

Don't get yourself a warning. Or if you do make it pay.

add me on linkedin

[Jerzylvania]

Yes you are as I told you before... you're either for Trump or you are against Trump.

Don't need to hear your convoluted pretzel logic as to why you'll enable Trump's reelection. It's nothing but pathetic excuse making by the right wing infiltrators of Sanders supporters. There's a nest of these types here.

It's time to ferret out all the Trump snakes in the grass.

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

This is why Sanders will likely lose the Democratic nomination, that and he don't have majority support. You people aren't loyal to the party. How do you expect to win with such an attitude? You are deluding yourselves. You come from outside the party, as usurpers. At least Bloomberg will support whoever the party nominates and so will his voters. Looks like a lot of Sanders crowd can't reciprocate. So don't be at all surprised when its time for all you to get your asses fucked. Count on it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Don't get yourself a warning. Or if you do make it pay.

add me on linkedin

Get a merchant bank on my resume? I do not think so.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Who coined "vote blue no matter who" ?

It's awful and we should be suspicious it's being foist on us by Trumpists.

We used to say "lesser of two evils" which is far more apt. But it doesn't rhyme so it's not a meme, or some shit. Let's do better!

[Uiiop]

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

This is why Sanders will likely lose the Democratic nomination, that and he don't have majority support. You people aren't loyal to the party. How do you expect to win with such an attitude? You are deluding yourselves. You come from outside the party, as usurpers. At least Bloomberg will support whoever the party nominates and so will his voters. Looks like a lot of Sanders crowd can't reciprocate. So don't be at all surprised when its time for all you to get your asses fucked. Count on it.

You being offended that people have a strong dislike of politician is noted but not evidence to your claims.

I would vote for Bloomberg if it really came down to it but in this case it's Bloomberg digging his own grave here. Being pissed at him specifically to not vote for in the general ain't a crime and to be blunt this will have even less of an effect on popularity than that guy who crashed into that MAGA van.

[Thermodolia]

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

This is why Sanders will likely lose the Democratic nomination, that and he don't have majority support. You people aren't loyal to the party. How do you expect to win with such an attitude? You are deluding yourselves. You come from outside the party, as usurpers. At least Bloomberg will support whoever the party nominates and so will his voters. Looks like a lot of Sanders crowd can't reciprocate. So don't be at all surprised when its time for all you to get your asses fucked. Count on it.

Bloomberg is the exact opposite of everything the democrats stand for. Sanders isn’t going to lose the nomination, mainly because he has people who aren’t party hacks. He has independent support

[Cedoria]

"If you don't endorse Godzilla clearly you support Ghidorah!"

Bloomberg is fucking monster, and is, at best, marginally better than Trump. Voting for Bloomberg would be tantamount to voting for four more years of Trump except he's a Democrat.

This is why Sanders will likely lose the Democratic nomination, that and he don't have majority support. You people aren't loyal to the party. How do you expect to win with such an attitude? You are deluding yourselves. You come from outside the party, as usurpers. At least Bloomberg will support whoever the party nominates and so will his voters. Looks like a lot of Sanders crowd can't reciprocate. So don't be at all surprised when its time for all you to get your asses fucked. Count on it.

Bloomberg was a Republican until a couple of years ago, and endorsed Bush and all his fuckery for re-election against Kerry in 2004 and congressional Republicans in 2007. If he’s the candidate, you frankly lose the right to lecture anybody else about “party loyalty”

[Uiiop]

This is why Sanders will likely lose the Democratic nomination, that and he don't have majority support. You people aren't loyal to the party. How do you expect to win with such an attitude? You are deluding yourselves. You come from outside the party, as usurpers. At least Bloomberg will support whoever the party nominates and so will his voters. Looks like a lot of Sanders crowd can't reciprocate. So don't be at all surprised when its time for all you to get your asses fucked. Count on it.

Bloomberg was a Republican until a couple of years ago, and endorsed Bush and all his fuckery for re-election against Kerry in 2004 and congressional Republicans in 2007. If he’s the candidate, you frankly lose the right to lecture anybody else about “party loyalty”

How he responded to the race allegations shows him to be unreliable of his change of heart at best. If his system supports the nom no matter who that's nice but he at the top of untrustworthiness for me.