2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Telconi]

Didn’t Trump renew the Patriot Act?

Obama did, through the FREEDOM Act. I do not believe Trump has.

Pence was there to placate evangelicals that otherwise might be inclined to "stay home"


The issue with Tim Kaine wasnt that the winning ticket idea is bunk, but that Clinton chose fucking Tim Kaine of all people. Who the fuck cared about Tim Kaine? Nobody.

Just like every other decision Clinton made, Kaine was the "safe" option.
He had good credentials, a good resume, a good liberal track record, a half-decent (but not exceptional) orator and looked like people imagine a VP should look like.

Clinton's entire strategy was that she would win the election if she didn't make any gaffes. That's where Kaine came from.

I honestly think the VP debates were the worst showing for Clinton, Kaine seemed ineffectual against Pence, and came off as a bit rabid with his constant attacking.

[Necroghastia]

The quote also seems to be largely angled towards an anti-NRA stance.

Stances angled against civil rights organizations are generally hostile to the civil rights the organization supports.

What civil rights organizations were being talked about?

[Cisairse]

Obama did, through the FREEDOM Act. I do not believe Trump has.



Just like every other decision Clinton made, Kaine was the "safe" option.
He had good credentials, a good resume, a good liberal track record, a half-decent (but not exceptional) orator and looked like people imagine a VP should look like.

Clinton's entire strategy was that she would win the election if she didn't make any gaffes. That's where Kaine came from.

I honestly think the VP debates were the worst showing for Clinton, Kaine seemed ineffectual against Pence, and came off as a bit rabid with his constant attacking.

I agree. Especially when compared to 2012, when Joe Biden did laps around Paul Ryan during basically every question.

[Telconi]

Stances angled against civil rights organizations are generally hostile to the civil rights the organization supports.

What civil rights organizations were being talked about?

The NRA, but I'm sure you know that and are just setting yourself up for some cheap shot about how rights of people you hate aren't real rights or something.

[Necroghastia]

What civil rights organizations were being talked about?

The NRA, but I'm sure you know that and are just setting yourself up for some cheap shot about how rights of people you hate aren't real rights or something.

... No? You gotta stop with the persecution complex, my guy. Regardless of whether I or not I dislike people, human rights are human rights. Most people would say the same. Not everyone shares your "fuck you, got mine" worldview.

[Telconi]

The NRA, but I'm sure you know that and are just setting yourself up for some cheap shot about how rights of people you hate aren't real rights or something.

... No? You gotta stop with the persecution complex, my guy. Regardless of whether I or not I dislike people, human rights are human rights. Most people would say the same. Not everyone shares your "fuck you, got mine" worldview.

Ah, yes, the persecution complex. Ironic.

Well of course not, it would be impossible for anyone to share a belief with me which I don't hold.

[Necroghastia]

... No? You gotta stop with the persecution complex, my guy. Regardless of whether I or not I dislike people, human rights are human rights. Most people would say the same. Not everyone shares your "fuck you, got mine" worldview.

Ah, yes, the persecution complex. Ironic.

Well of course not, it would be impossible for anyone to share a belief with me which I don't hold.

...You've said in the past that LGBTQIA rights and racial equality are "inappropriate," advocated against free association, and even suggested that Democratic voters and politicians be assassinated. You very much do have that belief.

[Telconi]

Ah, yes, the persecution complex. Ironic.

Well of course not, it would be impossible for anyone to share a belief with me which I don't hold.

...You've said in the past that LGBTQIA rights and racial equality are "inappropriate," advocated against free association, and even suggested that Democratic voters and politicians be assassinated. You very much do have that belief.

I haven't said anything in that statement.

[The Sherpa Empire]

The people on the bubble really are Yang, Steyer, and Gabbard. Bloomberg put all his chips on Super Tuesday.

None of them have any real chance. At this point, Yang and Gabbard are running to make a name for themselves, set up future career prospects, and spread their ideas - Gabbard with her opposition to regime change wars and Yang with universal basic income.

I would love to see Sanders make Gabbard his running mate or better yet, make her Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, but I don't expect it. Relentless slander and libel against Gabbard has made her a problematic ally for Sanders. Even though Sanders is a principled man who sees through all the lies about Gabbard, he needs to make pragmatic choices. Warren is a more likely running mate.

Stelter and Bloomberg are going just because they can. Being billionaires, they have inflated egos. I think Steyer knows he's done. Bloomberg might be delusional enough to think he can win but after Super Tuesday he will have to face reality.

Nobody's slandered Gabbard. She's just the one candidate that is even more fake than Buttigieg. It takes work to be that blatantly fake.

[San Lumen]

None of them have any real chance. At this point, Yang and Gabbard are running to make a name for themselves, set up future career prospects, and spread their ideas - Gabbard with her opposition to regime change wars and Yang with universal basic income.

I would love to see Sanders make Gabbard his running mate or better yet, make her Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, but I don't expect it. Relentless slander and libel against Gabbard has made her a problematic ally for Sanders. Even though Sanders is a principled man who sees through all the lies about Gabbard, he needs to make pragmatic choices. Warren is a more likely running mate.

Stelter and Bloomberg are going just because they can. Being billionaires, they have inflated egos. I think Steyer knows he's done. Bloomberg might be delusional enough to think he can win but after Super Tuesday he will have to face reality.

Nobody's slandered Gabbard. She's just the one candidate that is even more fake than Buttigieg. It takes work to be that blatantly fake.

Explain please

[Necroghastia]

...You've said in the past that LGBTQIA rights and racial equality are "inappropriate," advocated against free association, and even suggested that Democratic voters and politicians be assassinated. You very much do have that belief.

I haven't said anything in that statement.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=473511&p=36710975#p36710975

Yet you would vote for any Republican over any Democrat and don't think any person should be allowed to vote against your candidate and if they do take office they should be totally hamstrung and the people punished for daring to vote against who you like.

Yes.

Why is that? The Supreme Court has never been more conservative than it is right now. The anti-gun laws are almost guaranteed to be struck down and it is better than any type Coup that will just end in arrest, death and the anti-gun folks screeching “SEE THOSE GUN NUTS!!! THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BAN GUNS!”

Because it doesn't put a stop to the sentiment. Better to teach the grabbers a lesson and maybe next time they try gun bans they'll decide that them and their families suffering isn't worth it.

Yay freedom, let's scare people into silence through force.

jesus..

That's the essentialism of warfare, you don't need to convince the enemy they were wrong. You only need to convince them that their position costs too damn much.

Yeah, thinking that civilians can overpower ultra militarized police and the national Guard are on some serious indica and/or mushrooms.

Who said anything about overpowering the National guard. I highly doubt Ralph Northam sleep in a nat guard base, nor do any of the Democrat legislators, nor do all the Democrat voters.

I didn't even have to try.

[Gormwood]

I haven't said anything in that statement.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=473511&p=36710975#p36710975

Yes.

Because it doesn't put a stop to the sentiment. Better to teach the grabbers a lesson and maybe next time they try gun bans they'll decide that them and their families suffering isn't worth it.

That's the essentialism of warfare, you don't need to convince the enemy they were wrong. You only need to convince them that their position costs too damn much.

Who said anything about overpowering the National guard. I highly doubt Ralph Northam sleep in a nat guard base, nor do any of the Democrat legislators, nor do all the Democrat voters.

I didn't even have to try.

It's coming on...

[Telconi]

I haven't said anything in that statement.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=473511&p=36710975#p36710975

Yes.

Because it doesn't put a stop to the sentiment. Better to teach the grabbers a lesson and maybe next time they try gun bans they'll decide that them and their families suffering isn't worth it.

That's the essentialism of warfare, you don't need to convince the enemy they were wrong. You only need to convince them that their position costs too damn much.

Who said anything about overpowering the National guard. I highly doubt Ralph Northam sleep in a nat guard base, nor do any of the Democrat legislators, nor do all the Democrat voters.

I didn't even have to try.

It would be nice if you provided something g relevant to the accusations though.

Prohibition of a party due to un-acceptable beliefs does not a dystopia make. Germany has done it for decades, is Germany a one party dictatorship that bans people from associating?

[Telconi]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=473511&p=36710975#p36710975










I didn't even have to try.

It's coming on...

Surely Gauth, if you try hard enough you could post something worthwhile.

[The Sherpa Empire]

https://youtu.be/qLz6ydbq3D8

I hope Warren wins just so we get more Kate McKinnon impersonation.

Yes. Everybody vote for Warren.

[Necroghastia]

It's coming on...

Surely Gauth, if you try hard enough you could post something worthwhile.

Considering you once again attempt to gaslight in the post right above this one, Gormwood has a point.

[Telconi]

Surely Gauth, if you try hard enough you could post something worthwhile.

Considering you once again attempt to gaslight in the post right above this one, Gormwood has a point.

Telling the truth is gaslighting... You can't make this shit up folks.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Nobody's slandered Gabbard. She's just the one candidate that is even more fake than Buttigieg. It takes work to be that blatantly fake.

Explain please

She's not there because she has a realistic chance of winning of a coherent set of ideas to put forth. She's there to disrupt the party. She spends more time attacking the party than she does talking policy.

When she does talk, you can tell by HOW she talks that it's all scripted and calculated. She tries to get the dove vote by delivering obviously-scripted lines about ending regime-change wars, but then she tries to get the hawk vote by bragging non-stop about her military experience. This isn't someone that is loyal to dovish or hawkish principles. This is someone that's trying to have it both ways.

She claims to be a "progressive," but she appeals to Trump supporters more than actual progressives.

She has near zero appeal to women because we know that the way she's talking is not some kind of feminine mystique -- it's just fakeness.

Gabbard is delivering scripted lines, and the script is all over the place. I don't know if she's a troll making it up herself, or if she's in someone else's pocket and reading the lines they feed her. But there isn't a clear set of underlying principles.

[Czechostan]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

A convincing argument, well made.

Let's see what Sanders' campaign says.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

-Fight the NRA
-More background checks
-End the gun show loophole
-Ban sale and distribution of assault weapons
-Buy-back program for assault weapons
-Support red flag laws

Seems like standard Dem policy to me.

[Necroghastia]

A convincing argument, well made.

Let's see what Sanders' campaign says.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

-Fight the NRA
-More background checks
-End the gun show loophole
-Ban sale and distribution of assault weapons
-Buy-back program for assault weapons
-Support red flag laws

Seems like standard Dem policy to me.

So yeah, he's not anti-gun. Glad we established that.

[Telconi]

Let's see what Sanders' campaign says.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

-Fight the NRA
-More background checks
-End the gun show loophole
-Ban sale and distribution of assault weapons
-Buy-back program for assault weapons
-Support red flag laws

Seems like standard Dem policy to me.

So yeah, he's not anti-gun. Glad we established that.

How can you be for something you want to ban?

[The Sherpa Empire]

Let's see what Sanders' campaign says.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

-Fight the NRA
-More background checks
-End the gun show loophole
-Ban sale and distribution of assault weapons
-Buy-back program for assault weapons
-Support red flag laws

Seems like standard Dem policy to me.

So yeah, he's not anti-gun. Glad we established that.

Standard Dem policy is anti-gun.

[Idzequitch]

So yeah, he's not anti-gun. Glad we established that.

How can you be for something you want to ban?

Well, there is a difference between wanting to ban assault weapons, and wanting to ban guns entirely. All indications I've seen are that Bernie is the former, not the latter.

[Valrifell]

Considering you once again attempt to gaslight in the post right above this one, Gormwood has a point.

Telling the truth is gaslighting... You can't make this shit up folks.

The amount of doublethink, glad to see some of us have already won the victory against themselves.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Let's see what Sanders' campaign says.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

-Fight the NRA
-More background checks
-End the gun show loophole
-Ban sale and distribution of assault weapons
-Buy-back program for assault weapons
-Support red flag laws

Seems like standard Dem policy to me.

So yeah, he's not anti-gun. Glad we established that.

>tfw wanting to ban literally the most commonly owned guns in the country somehow makes you not anti-gun