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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:29 am
by The World Capitalist Confederation
Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Sanders is far to the left of Obama. They are not comparable at all.

That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism
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I wish that all those theories saying that Obama is a socialist were actually true...sadly, he's just a neoliberal war criminal.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:30 am
by United States of Devonta
Zurkerx wrote:Sanders continues to lead but Buttigieg is second. Sanders is benefiting from Warren's fall while Buttigieg is benefiting from Biden's fall. The breakdown:

Sanders 28%
Buttigieg 21%
Biden 11%
Warren 9%
Gabbard 6%
Klobuchar 5%
Steyer 3%
Yang 3%

Likely Sanders will win but his margin of victory might be smaller.


Biden is hitting Mayor Pete hard now trying to get back support. But I do worry about NH. Bernie needs to campaign hard the next couple of days.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:31 am
by Cisairse
Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Sanders is far to the left of Obama. They are not comparable at all.

That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism
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I, for one, cannot wait for Tucker Carlson to start calling Sanders a Muslim (even though he isn't christian in the first place) who was born in Ukraine.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:33 am
by Ifreann
Cisairse wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism
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I, for one, cannot wait for Tucker Carlson to start calling Sanders a Muslim (even though he isn't christian in the first place) who was born in Ukraine.

Sanders is a well known Ukrainian Muslim name.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:37 am
by Cisairse
Ifreann wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
I, for one, cannot wait for Tucker Carlson to start calling Sanders a Muslim (even though he isn't christian in the first place) who was born in Ukraine.

Sanders is a well known Ukrainian Muslim name.


There is a lot of evidence, proven and unproven, everybody's got an opinion that Ukraine was where Bernie Sanders went on his honeymoon, along with Russia, and probably others.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:43 am
by Major-Tom
United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Sanders continues to lead but Buttigieg is second. Sanders is benefiting from Warren's fall while Buttigieg is benefiting from Biden's fall. The breakdown:

Sanders 28%
Buttigieg 21%
Biden 11%
Warren 9%
Gabbard 6%
Klobuchar 5%
Steyer 3%
Yang 3%

Likely Sanders will win but his margin of victory might be smaller.


Biden is hitting Mayor Pete hard now trying to get back support. But I do worry about NH. Bernie needs to campaign hard the next couple of days.


He can and will. His team in NH is dedicated and strong as fuck.

Watching Biden flounder, too, is just too funny. Ditto for Warren.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:48 am
by USS Monitor
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism
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I wish that all those theories saying that Obama is a socialist were actually true...sadly, he's just a neoliberal war criminal.


At this point calling someone a "neoliberal war criminal" is about as meaningful as the GOP calling them a socialist.

I've never met anybody that self-identified as a "neoliberal" unless they were doing it as a self-deprecating joke. It's not an ideology that people subscribe to as much as it's a handy slur for left-leaning people to insult other left-leaning people when they don't screech loud enough about the establishment being evil and 2016 primaries being rigged.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:54 am
by Cisairse
USS Monitor wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

I wish that all those theories saying that Obama is a socialist were actually true...sadly, he's just a neoliberal war criminal.


At this point calling someone a "neoliberal war criminal" is about as meaningful as the GOP calling them a socialist.

I've never met anybody that self-identified as a "neoliberal" unless they were doing it as a self-deprecating joke. It's not an ideology that people subscribe to as much as it's a handy slur for left-leaning people to insult other left-leaning people when they don't screech loud enough about the establishment being evil and 2016 primaries being rigged.


"Neoliberal" may not be as used, but "New Democrat" is an established phrased in political jargon and is a term that has been widely applied to President Clinton and President Obama's specific policybooks. Clinton himself used the term, and in fact there is a 'New Democrat Coalition' in Congress with about 100 members.
The combination of cultural liberalism, fiscal conservatism, and a lack of general aversion to the use of military force or the intelligence apparatus more or less fits what people mean by "neoliberal."

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:54 am
by Bienenhalde
Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Sanders is far to the left of Obama. They are not comparable at all.

That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism

Yeah, but only people who are already hardcore Republicans anyway actually fall for that nonsense.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:20 pm
by Tarsonis
Bienenhalde wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism

Yeah, but only people who are already hardcore Republicans anyway actually fall for that nonsense.


You sound like a socialist

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:23 pm
by Gormwood
Bienenhalde wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's their secret, Cap, Republicans call everything they don't like socialism

Yeah, but only people who are already hardcore Republicans anyway actually fall for that nonsense.

There are farmers screwed by the trade war and miners getting jack shit saying they'd vote for Trump again anyways. The entire boomer base is hardcore by default.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:38 pm
by Cisairse
Tarsonis wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Yeah, but only people who are already hardcore Republicans anyway actually fall for that nonsense.


You sound like a socialist


Did you just say "socialist"? Aha, I knew you were a socialist.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:40 pm
by Tarsonis
Cisairse wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You sound like a socialist


Did you just say "socialist"? Aha, I knew you were a socialist.


Sounds like something a socialist would say.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:53 pm
by Kowani
Galloism wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:Or are you talking about progressivity in the technical sense, wherein we charge a higher rate as wealth levels increase? Because that kind of tax is extremely dangerous, from an economic POV.

Ok, so please consider me ignorant on economics (unironically, it's the only class I ever got a C in), but why is this the case?

It’s not, not at all.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:06 pm
by San Lumen
Gormwood wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Yeah, but only people who are already hardcore Republicans anyway actually fall for that nonsense.

There are farmers screwed by the trade war and miners getting jack shit saying they'd vote for Trump again anyways. The entire boomer base is hardcore by default.


Farmers it seems will vote Republican no matter what. You could nominate my dog in some rural districts and he or she would be elected simply because there is an R next to their name

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:14 pm
by The World Capitalist Confederation
San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:There are farmers screwed by the trade war and miners getting jack shit saying they'd vote for Trump again anyways. The entire boomer base is hardcore by default.


Farmers it seems will vote Republican no matter what. You could nominate my dog in some rural districts and he or she would be elected simply because there is an R next to their name

You could make Karl Marx a Republican and Richard Spencer a Democrat and they would still vote for Marx. Teleporting those folks before the party switch would be an amazing headspin for them tbh.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:17 pm
by San Lumen
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Farmers it seems will vote Republican no matter what. You could nominate my dog in some rural districts and he or she would be elected simply because there is an R next to their name

You could make Karl Marx a Republican and Richard Spencer a Democrat and they would still vote for Marx. Teleporting those folks before the party switch would be an amazing headspin for them tbh.

Very true as much as I dont want it to be. In rural Nevada a deceased brothel owner got elected in 2018 despite voters being informed he was deceased at polling stations in accordance with state law.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:21 pm
by Cisairse
San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:There are farmers screwed by the trade war and miners getting jack shit saying they'd vote for Trump again anyways. The entire boomer base is hardcore by default.


Farmers it seems will vote Republican no matter what. You could nominate my dog in some rural districts and he or she would be elected simply because there is an R next to their name


Republicans will literally elect a dead pimp over a Democrat.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:21 pm
by Cisairse
San Lumen wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:You could make Karl Marx a Republican and Richard Spencer a Democrat and they would still vote for Marx. Teleporting those folks before the party switch would be an amazing headspin for them tbh.

Very true as much as I dont want it to be. In rural Nevada a deceased brothel owner got elected in 2018 despite voters being informed he was deceased at polling stations in accordance with state law.


Oh shit you sniped me

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:23 pm
by San Lumen
Cisairse wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Farmers it seems will vote Republican no matter what. You could nominate my dog in some rural districts and he or she would be elected simply because there is an R next to their name


Republicans will literally elect a dead pimp over a Democrat.


It is truly unbelievable to me that people can be that partisan they would vote for a deceased person

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:25 pm
by Tarsonis
San Lumen wrote:


It is truly unbelievable to me that people can be that partisan they would vote for a deceased person


So you can't fathom the way you yourself think? Because you're exactly that partisan.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:25 pm
by San Lumen
Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It is truly unbelievable to me that people can be that partisan they would vote for a deceased person


So you can't fathom the way you yourself think? Because you're exactly that partisan.

I would not vote for deceased person

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:25 pm
by Cisairse
San Lumen wrote:


It is truly unbelievable to me that people can be that partisan they would vote for a deceased person


And he won with a pretty wide margin, too.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:26 pm
by San Lumen
Cisairse wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It is truly unbelievable to me that people can be that partisan they would vote for a deceased person


And he won with a pretty wide margin, too.

rural Nevada is extremely red. It would have been a massive upset if the Democrat had won and a one term rental.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:27 pm
by Bienenhalde
Gormwood wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Yeah, but only people who are already hardcore Republicans anyway actually fall for that nonsense.

There are farmers screwed by the trade war and miners getting jack shit saying they'd vote for Trump again anyways. The entire boomer base is hardcore by default.


I mean, the stubborness of some hardcore Trump supporters is quite unfortunate, but there are many boomers and well as moderates and conservatives from other generational backgrounds who oppose Trump. It would be a huge mistake for the Democrats just to ignore these people and write us off as unimportant.