2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[True Refuge]

Final Delegate Count from Nevada:

Sanders 24 (40.5% of the popular vote)
Biden 9 (18.9% of the popular vote)
Buttigieg 3 (17.3% of the popular vote)
Warren 0 (11.5% of the popular vote)
Klobuchar 0 (7.3% of the popular vote)
Steyer 0 (4.1% of the popular vote)

No one under Buttigieg got delegates.

Just waiting for people to start complaining about how Biden got way more delegates proportional to Buttigieg. But wait, that won't happen because it's only bad when it gives Buttigieg an advantage.

It is very odd. Maybe they (the delegates) pseudo-justified it with something about how 20% of the vote effectively went to no one in terms of delegate allocation? I can’t see a good explanation for it.

[Alien Space Bats]

Maybe I'm missing something, I am certainly no fancy, big city lawyer *snaps suspenders*, but a private company charging people for access to services that the government is providing for free sounds like a scam. Like, could I stand at the door of the DMV and charge people $50 to go in?

First, let me preface what I' about to say with this: Medicare-for-All isn't going to become law, and if it does it won't survive for more than a few years before it gets reversed or overturned.

That said, let's talk about that parallel universe in which it does become law and survives for more than a couple of years.

In that parallel universe, I could easily see a State fighting it by (1) refusing to go along with the ban on private insurance and (2) making it difficult if not impossible for large numbers of health care providers to accept Medicare-for-All as payment for their services (eg., by placing a 100% tax on all Medicare-for-All reimbursements that are not being paid out on behalf of patients who are either elderly, disabled, or have incomes that fall below the former Medicaid eligibility limit [which is what, something like 166% of poverty line or something like that?], thereby essentially limiting the use of Medicare-for-All to former Medicare and Medicaid recipients). If that happened, would the Federal government have the power to impose its will upon that State? It hasn't had the ability to do so with States that refused the Medicaid expansion under the ACA, and it couldn't force States into the Medicare and Medicaid programs back in the 60s, either (they all had to eventually opt in).

So no, even if somehow M4A gets through Congress and gets signed by a Senator Sanders, it might still have a long way to go before it actually came to be in place everywhere.

[True Refuge]

Poor show. It's surely been explained already.

Please, do tell. You go with what is most doable in each country. I find it hard to believe the US could pull it off. Perhaps a system similar to the Germans or Singaporeans would be better? Or you could continue down the road and shape up Obamacare so it actually resembles the Swiss model better. All of these systems achieve universal healthcare. What is the problem with alternatives?

Could you explain why you think M4A doesn’t fit the US in your view? You’re asking me to do all the work in this discussion since I’ve got to make this point but I don’t know yet what aspects of government healthcare that you find important and what you don’t care about.

[Post War America]

Final Delegate Count from Nevada:

Sanders 24 (40.5% of the popular vote)
Biden 9 (18.9% of the popular vote)
Buttigieg 3 (17.3% of the popular vote)
Warren 0 (11.5% of the popular vote)
Klobuchar 0 (7.3% of the popular vote)
Steyer 0 (4.1% of the popular vote)

No one under Buttigieg got delegates.

Just waiting for people to start complaining about how Biden got way more delegates proportional to Buttigieg. But wait, that won't happen because it's only bad when it gives Buttigieg an advantage.

Oh no its definitely a sign that caucuses are a rather poor way of apportioning voting power. I'm hoping that Buttigieg getting disadvantaged by the process might result RCV Primaries replacing caucuses in 2022-2024.