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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
27
59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:30 am

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Exactly. The 'choosing which public toilet to use' is a political cliche but this time it really does look messy. How much do MAGA hats cost nowadays? Asking for a friend..


Seriously now, would you vote Hillary Clinton ahead of the current field?


I wouldn't call myself a supporter but I do like her more than Sanders.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:32 am

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Seriously now, would you vote Hillary Clinton ahead of the current field?


I wouldn't call myself a supporter but I do like her more than Sanders.


Lol
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Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:46 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
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I wouldn't call myself a supporter but I do like her more than Sanders.


Lol


Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:57 am

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United States of Devonta wrote:
Lol


Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



As I'm afraid you will soon find out.


(1) Bernie can win, most current evidence shows that. Spoiler Alert: Hillary did not. Giving her a 2nd chance would be silly.

(2) When you negotiate for anything, you never start at the middle or the moderate position. You start at the extreme and move down. You get better deals that way.

(3) Don't disparage voters as "stupid". Insulting voters doesn't pan out well. Ask Hillary about her "deplorables" comment.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:09 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Lol


Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



As I'm afraid you will soon find out.


So he could be the US version of Jeremy Corbyn; being the Democrat member's choice rather than the Democrat voter's choice.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:14 am

United States of Devonta wrote:Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.


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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:16 am

United States of Devonta wrote:Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.



I think he has a shot against the incumbent with that many votes.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:18 am

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United States of Devonta wrote:Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.



I think he has a shot against the incumbent with that many votes.


Yes, most of the candidates do.

Biden and Sanders do the best though.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:18 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
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I think he has a shot against the incumbent with that many votes.


Yes, most of the candidates do.

Biden and Sanders do the best though.


I wholeheartedly agree.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:18 am

United States of Devonta wrote:Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.


Bernie has defeated his elusive enemy: three moderates stacked up together in a trench coat.

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:19 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



As I'm afraid you will soon find out.


So he could be the US version of Jeremy Corbyn; being the Democrat member's choice rather than the Democrat voter's choice.


Yeah, I was thinking that, too. I agree with Corbyn's policies as much as I agree with Sanders'.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:24 am

Imperial Joseon wrote:
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So he could be the US version of Jeremy Corbyn; being the Democrat member's choice rather than the Democrat voter's choice.


Yeah, I was thinking that, too. I agree with Corbyn's policies as much as I agree with Sanders'.


British politics is different from US politics. The polling scene for Corbyn and Sanders is different too.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:26 am

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United States of Devonta wrote:
Yes, most of the candidates do.

Biden and Sanders do the best though.


I wholeheartedly agree.


I'll be honest, I'll "vote blue no matter who" this election, but if Bloomberg becomes the nominee, I will vote Green party and Dem down ballot.

I'm from Kansas, so my Green vote is a protest vote.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:27 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
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Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



As I'm afraid you will soon find out.


(1) Bernie can win, most current evidence shows that. Spoiler Alert: Hillary did not. Giving her a 2nd chance would be silly.

(2) When you negotiate for anything, you never start at the middle or the moderate position. You start at the extreme and move down. You get better deals that way.

(3) Don't disparage voters as "stupid". Insulting voters doesn't pan out well. Ask Hillary about her "deplorables" comment.


1. Bernie can win, but to put things in their proper time, he would not have won in 2016

2. What, so Bernie is going to give some ground on his policies to get elected? Really? Like, after arguing with Trump for a while it's only going to be $13 minimum wage? It's going to be Medicare For Most?

3. I'm not a politician and I have no inhibitions in saying that most voters are STUPID. Pants on head, dead to rights, drooling stoopid.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:30 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
I'll be honest, I'll "vote blue no matter who" this election, but if Bloomberg becomes the nominee, I will vote Green party and Dem down ballot.

I'm from Kansas, so my Green vote is a protest vote.


Same. I'd most likely vote for Democrats. Sanders or Biden, it's not overly important for me, but there will be changes in economy where I live, depending on who gets elected.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:34 am

United States of Devonta wrote:Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:38 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Lol


Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



As I'm afraid you will soon find out.


Lmao please, we already tried Hillary against trump. She lost.

Sanders has a lot of popularity among the youth and is growing his popularity among Latino voters. Will you really alienate these folks to pander to...who exactly? The most die hard trumpsters will always go for trump and only corporate wall street types like a bloomberg.

As for buttigieg, I'm not saying he deserves this, but minorities will not vote for him in large numbers because he is gay. There is a lot of homophobia among black and Hispanic Americans and it doesn't help that mayor Pete also fired his city's black police chief and a man was killed by cops in South bend recently. He can expect to get 100 black votes in almost 100 cities
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:39 am

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United States of Devonta wrote:
(1) Bernie can win, most current evidence shows that. Spoiler Alert: Hillary did not. Giving her a 2nd chance would be silly.

(2) When you negotiate for anything, you never start at the middle or the moderate position. You start at the extreme and move down. You get better deals that way.

(3) Don't disparage voters as "stupid". Insulting voters doesn't pan out well. Ask Hillary about her "deplorables" comment.


1. Bernie can win, but to put things in their proper time, he would not have won in 2016

2. What, so Bernie is going to give some ground on his policies to get elected? Really? Like, after arguing with Trump for a while it's only going to be $13 minimum wage? It's going to be Medicare For Most?

3. I'm not a politician and I have no inhibitions in saying that most voters are STUPID. Pants on head, dead to rights, drooling stoopid.


(1) On the contrary, polling evidence shows he would. He usually outperformed Hillary in head-to-head vs.Trump. He appeals to voters Hillary lost in the rust belt. You can't ask voters to "hold their nose" and vote for you. It was a lesser of two evils election. If Sanders was nominee, it wouldn't of been that. And the "proper time" is now in 2020. Not four years ago in 2016. You are wrong on all counts.

(2) Yes. All candidates will have to give up ground in a negotiation. And that's alright. I'd rather we start out at the most advantageous position and move down, not the middle. What we will get is inherently better. This isn't a hard concept to understand.

(3) Cool story. Doesn't make it right. It still shows a troublesome thought process. Bernie is winning voters who cite policy is most important to them and those who say they want a candidate who can beat Trump.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:40 am

How is there a poll as to who won Nevada and why are 27% of people saying Warren? This isn't an opinion, it's a fact Bernie came in first place.

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United States of Devonta wrote:Just because some people in the media and on here like to do this w/ no context: A combined look at the top 3 "moderate" candidates against Bernie in Nevada rn.


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Rojava Free State wrote:How is there a poll as to who won Nevada and why are 27% of people saying Warren? This isn't an opinion, it's a fact Bernie came in first place.

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:42 am

Rojava Free State wrote:How is there a poll as to who won Nevada and why are 27% of people saying Warren? This isn't an opinion, it's a fact Bernie came in first place.

Why are you booing me?? I'm right!!


That was for who won the debate. I'll have a new poll up later today for SC.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:43 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Yeah? Well me too. I love Sanders's policies but if I had a vote I'd be for Buttigieg. And if Hillary was in the race I'd be for her instead.

Why? Because only stupid people vote for a candidate's policies without also considering if they can win with those policies.

Losing when you fought the good fight, totally sucks.



As I'm afraid you will soon find out.


Lmao please, we already tried Hillary against trump. She lost.

Sanders has a lot of popularity among the youth and is growing his popularity among Latino voters. Will you really alienate these folks to pander to...who exactly? The most die hard trumpsters will always go for trump and only corporate wall street types like a bloomberg.

As for buttigieg, I'm not saying he deserves this, but minorities will not vote for him in large numbers because he is gay. There is a lot of homophobia among black and Hispanic Americans and it doesn't help that mayor Pete also fired his city's black police chief and a man was killed by cops in South bend recently. He can expect to get 100 black votes in almost 100 cities


Gaining more of the Latino vote won't help Sanders win back the Rust Belt. It's already been really well covered that unions in places like PA are telling their members to vote for Trump if Sanders does secure the nomination.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:43 am

Shrillland wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:How is there a poll as to who won Nevada and why are 27% of people saying Warren? This isn't an opinion, it's a fact Bernie came in first place.

Why are you booing me?? I'm right!!


That was for who won the debate. I'll have a new poll up later today for SC.


Biden will win narrowly. The debates can really effect the SC vote.
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