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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
27
59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:52 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The libertarians have Vermin Supreme running for President. I really hope he gets the nomination. I’d love to vote for him

I also just looked up McAfee's campaign site.
His platform wrote:My campaign platform contains one item: how do we free ourselves from a government that no longer serves us, but instead has become our master - controlling our every action, down to the detail of what we may or may not put into our bodies and minds.

Our two party system created a voting process which is an illusion, and a government that fluctuates between two extremes - each extreme annulling any progress made by the opposition in the prior administration. It is a government that has gone insane. While we carry the burden of this government we are not free.

Any attempt to address national problems, of any nature, is doomed to failure. The best that can be hoped is a solution driven by conflict and incomplete in substance. Until we free ourselves, we are powerless to create any real change. And since our insane government keeps massive secrets from us and is masterful at disinformation, there is not a single National issue that we know the true state of. How then can we address it? You cannot fix what you cannot see.

So do not ask me about immigration, foreign relations, education etc. I have no idea. Those claiming that they do are lying to themselves, or if not, they are purposely lying to you. We must first be free. Freedom for The People is my only goal.

Based. Utterly insane, but very based.

And he’s doing all of this while in self-imposed exile due to the IRS wanting his ass for tax fraud
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Postby Galloism » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:53 pm

Sougra wrote:
Galloism wrote:There’s also a major gendered impact.

True, men face prison more due to a variety of factors. And if anyone truly cares about men's issues, they should also logically heavily advocate for better ways to approach crime and criminal justice.

Absolutely agreed.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:53 pm

Kruiven wrote:
Kruiven wrote:Dang it's absolutely pouring in Las Vegas at the moment.

Update: rainbow over Vegas

Either this is a natural phenomenon or it’s a sign that Las Vegas has gone gay for Mayor Pete
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Postby Galloism » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:54 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:There’s also a major gendered impact.

Yet men's responses in that poll aren't different from women's.

Yeah, it's odd.

It's probably because men do not have an average in-group bias based on gender, or perhaps they're unaware of the sexism against them.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:54 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Progressivism is silly.

Now that’s out of the way let’s talk about the election!

Once again bring up the question, how would things go differently with only one major moderate rather than 4 or 5 we have right now?


Sanders would get less delegates for his votes, while the One Moderate would get more.

Lets say Sanders gets less of the vote than currently, make it 50%
Let's say Biden gets what he's tracking on now, 18%
Let's say no other candidate gets above 15% (12,10,6 and 3)
All delegates are distributed among the top 2, for Sanders 73.5% of delegates, for Biden 26.5%

Now suppose all moderates and Warren dropped out, except Biden
Some vote would go to Sander, let's make him 62%
More votes would got to Biden (moderate), effectively the remainder, 38%
With only two in the race and both comfortably over 15%, the delegates would go the same: S 62%, B 38%

My scenario concurs with common knowledge about vote splitting: Sanders is getting more delegates than his vote justifies.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:57 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Once again bring up the question, how would things go differently with only one major moderate rather than 4 or 5 we have right now?


Sanders would get less delegates for his votes, while the One Moderate would get more.

Lets say Sanders gets less of the vote than currently, make it 50%
Let's say Biden gets what he's tracking on now, 18%
Let's say no other candidate gets above 15% (12,10,6 and 3)
All delegates are distributed among the top 2, for Sanders 73.5% of delegates, for Biden 26.5%

Now suppose all moderates and Warren dropped out, except Biden
Some vote would go to Sander, let's make him 62%
More votes would got to Biden (moderate), effectively the remainder, 38%
With only two in the race and both comfortably over 15%, the delegates would go the same: S 62%, B 38%

My scenario concurs with common knowledge about vote splitting: Sanders is getting more delegates than his vote justifies.


Stop hijacking Hobo's account Alien Space bats
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:07 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Yet men's responses in that poll aren't different from women's.

Yeah, it's odd.

It's probably because men do not have an average in-group bias based on gender, or perhaps they're unaware of the sexism against them.


Social conditioning. We men accept without question that men commit more crime than women do, and despite police and judicial bias I still believe that. Police and judicial bias greatly exaggerates it though.

It's my experience that women seem to commit less crime, but the experience can be explained another way: women are much less likely to boast about committing crimes. But I'll admit it's not from a big sample.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:07 pm

Well, the state party's apparently added additional phone numbers for the caucus volunteers to call to try to speed things up.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:09 pm

Shrillland wrote:Well, the state party's apparently added additional phone numbers for the caucus volunteers to call to try to speed things up.


Genius. "Hey, everyone, I need a count of mobile phones in the room ..."
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Postby Galloism » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:10 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yeah, it's odd.

It's probably because men do not have an average in-group bias based on gender, or perhaps they're unaware of the sexism against them.


Social conditioning. We men accept without question that men commit more crime than women do, and despite police and judicial bias I still believe that. Police and judicial bias greatly exaggerates it though.

It's my experience that women seem to commit less crime, but the experience can be explained another way: women are much less likely to boast about committing crimes. But I'll admit it's not from a big sample.

It's all really hard to tell. The sexism against men in the justice system is at least 6 times as strong as the racism against black people, and with those kinds of numbers in play, it's really hard to be sure.

You may be right, you may be wrong, but it's damn hard to know for sure.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I also just looked up McAfee's campaign site.

Based. Utterly insane, but very based.

And he’s doing all of this while in self-imposed exile due to the IRS wanting his ass for tax fraud

Exile in Cuba, of all place.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:11 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Well, the state party's apparently added additional phone numbers for the caucus volunteers to call to try to speed things up.


Genius. "Hey, everyone, I need a count of mobile phones in the room ..."

I hope they have chargers
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:12 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Sanders would get less delegates for his votes, while the One Moderate would get more.

Lets say Sanders gets less of the vote than currently, make it 50%
Let's say Biden gets what he's tracking on now, 18%
Let's say no other candidate gets above 15% (12,10,6 and 3)
All delegates are distributed among the top 2, for Sanders 73.5% of delegates, for Biden 26.5%

Now suppose all moderates and Warren dropped out, except Biden
Some vote would go to Sander, let's make him 62%
More votes would got to Biden (moderate), effectively the remainder, 38%
With only two in the race and both comfortably over 15%, the delegates would go the same: S 62%, B 38%


My scenario concurs with common knowledge about vote splitting: Sanders is getting more delegates than his vote justifies.


Stop hijacking Hobo's account Alien Space bats


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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:17 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And he’s doing all of this while in self-imposed exile due to the IRS wanting his ass for tax fraud

Exile in Cuba, of all place.

This is why I love the Libertarian party. They are just one giant meme
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>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:20 pm

FOR THE FIRST TIME:
A (Dem or GOP) candidate (Sanders) has won the popular vote in all 3 early states: Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:23 pm

Kruiven wrote:FOR THE FIRST TIME:
A (Dem or GOP) candidate (Sanders) has won the popular vote in all 3 early states: Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.

Is this the end of the Sanders campaign? Really difficult to see how he can recover from this massive victory.

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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:25 pm

Klobuchar just spoke from Minneapolis, gotta make sure you don't lose your home state to the all devouring Sanders.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:27 pm

Shrillland wrote:Well, the state party's apparently added additional phone numbers for the caucus volunteers to call to try to speed things up.


Hey, at least we're getting results this time: 4% is better than zero :p
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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:29 pm

Biden speaking from Las Vegas, if this holds it'll be the first time Biden has EVER finished above 3rd in a caucus or primary in ANY of his presidential runs.
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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:32 pm

NBC joins Fox in calling it for Sanders with 4% reporting.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:38 pm

Kruiven wrote:NBC joins Fox in calling it for Sanders with 4% reporting.

Well that’s it then I’m calling the nomination for Sanders. Trump will win re-election and the house will flip
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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kruiven wrote:NBC joins Fox in calling it for Sanders with 4% reporting.

Well that’s it then I’m calling the nomination for Sanders. Trump will win re-election and the house will flip

Your message was correct before the edit.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kruiven wrote:NBC joins Fox in calling it for Sanders with 4% reporting.

Well that’s it then I’m calling the nomination for Sanders. Trump will win re-election and the house will flip


Literally no evidence for this proposition.
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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:49 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well that’s it then I’m calling the nomination for Sanders. Trump will win re-election and the house will flip


Literally no evidence for this proposition.

Lol before the edit it just said I'm calling the nomination for Sanders, so it was correct then.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:50 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well that’s it then I’m calling the nomination for Sanders. Trump will win re-election and the house will flip


Literally no evidence for this proposition.

Lumen's been claiming that Trump will win without evidence for a while now. And when confronted with head-to-head polls that show Sanders beating Trump he dismisses it.

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