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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
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59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:27 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:See me when Trump becomes a dictator


Isn't he being a dictator a bit late for starting this sort of discussion?

Do you think Trump is a dictator right now?
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Postby Lower Nubia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:27 pm

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United States of Devonta wrote:MSNBC is freaking out. It was funny till Chris Mathews said this...

Chris Matthews just likened Bernie’s win in Nevada tonight to the Germans overrunning The Maginot Line in 1940.

Bernie literally lost most of his family in the fucking Holocaust due to Nazi barbarism. Fuck Chris Mathews. Fr.

Chuck Todd also compared Bernie supporters to Nazi "brown shirts". Disgraceful news organization.


Chris Matthews thinks Bernie Sanders will publicly execute him in Central Park.


Which is a tacit admission that if Bernie got in, there aren't enough checks and balances on the presidency.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:28 pm

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Bear Stearns wrote:Imagine if the US had a law like but it was only for white people...hmm...

It’d be stupid


If it's stupid for america, it's stupid for israel. An officially Jewish state is as meaningless as an officially black state, and frankly I think a country shouldn't determine the rights you're granted based on your ethnicity or race
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:28 pm

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Bear Stearns wrote:Imagine if the US had a law like but it was only for white people...hmm...

It’d be stupid


That's fine, but it seems hypocritical to be cool with other countries having those laws.
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:28 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Israel hates black people. It is anything but accepting even if they identify as jews.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 34932.html

Al Jazeera is Qatar’s propoganda outlet


Are the facts in the article incorrect? If not, then the source itself doesn't matter.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:29 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:MSNBC is freaking out. It was funny till Chris Mathews said this...

Chris Matthews just likened Bernie’s win in Nevada tonight to the Germans overrunning The Maginot Line in 1940.

Bernie literally lost most of his family in the fucking Holocaust due to Nazi barbarism. Fuck Chris Mathews. Fr.

Chuck Todd also compared Bernie supporters to Nazi "brown shirts". Disgraceful news organization.

The Germans didn't attack the Maginot Line.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:29 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Isn't he being a dictator a bit late for starting this sort of discussion?

Do you think Trump is a dictator right now?


He sure seems to want to be one. This is the same guy who wanted to change libel laws so he could sue the media, and the same man who defended the tiananmen square massacre
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:MSNBC is freaking out. It was funny till Chris Mathews said this...

Chris Matthews just likened Bernie’s win in Nevada tonight to the Germans overrunning The Maginot Line in 1940.

Bernie literally lost most of his family in the fucking Holocaust due to Nazi barbarism. Fuck Chris Mathews. Fr.

Chuck Todd also compared Bernie supporters to Nazi "brown shirts". Disgraceful news organization.

The Germans didn't attack the Maginot Line.


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Postby Lower Nubia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Isn't he being a dictator a bit late for starting this sort of discussion?

Do you think Trump is a dictator right now?


No. I think he's unfit for office and the US has a serious issue in its system. Yet it prides itself on just that.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Israel hates black people. It is anything but accepting even if they identify as jews.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 34932.html

Al Jazeera is Qatar’s propoganda outlet


If Qatari backing is good enough for a number of US politicians then it is suitable for a source on an NS thread.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Israel hates black people. It is anything but accepting even if they identify as jews.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 34932.html

Al Jazeera is Qatar’s propoganda outlet


https://www.finalcall.com/artman/publis ... 4085.shtml

How many articles on the issue must exist before you realize that Israel is indeed very racist?
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Postby New haven america » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:30 pm

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New haven america wrote:1. No we could not, from a logistical POV it's a stupid as fuck idea


1. We funded Israel's and theirs seems to work pretty well.

New haven america wrote:2. Nope, can't, America's open to every language


2. Why? Is Israel open to every language too?

New haven america wrote:3. Can't do that either, considering A. This is actually Native American homeland and B. America has more than just white people


3. Wasn't Israel founded on Palestinian land where a bunch of Arabs live? Seems like a bit of a double standard here.

New haven america wrote:4. Can't do that either, even if we when with your terrible idea, they'd have to be a descendant of an American to an American to get said citizenship


4. We can make prospective immigrants do ancestry tests, just like Israel does!

New haven america wrote:5. Israel's totally accepted of black people, as long as they're ethnically or religiously Jewish. (That means that a Christian or Muslim African can be an Israeli citizen if they can trace their ancestry back enough).


5. "We accept all ethnic groups as long as you part of our ethnic group"

6. So you're literally admitting they don't accept all groups then. 7. You are saying non-Jews can only be citizens if they prove they have the right blood. Imagine if the US had a law like but it was only for white people...hmm...

1. Good luck building a border wall in the middle of an international river and 4/5 lakes the size of a small sea
2. Hebrew, Arabic, and other languages like German, Polish, Russian, etc... Yes.
3. No, they were there first, then got kicked out by the Romans who let Palestinians settle the place. So both groups have claim to the area (Which is why a Dual-Party State has been proposed multiple times).
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5. They also accept converts
6. They're accepting of all Jews regardless of race
7. No, non-Jews without ancestry can immigrate as well, they've always have been able to

And with that final point, your off topic argument has been proven to be stupid as fuck.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. No we could not, from a logistical POV it's a stupid as fuck idea


We funded Israel's and theirs seems to work pretty well.

Israel has a shorter distance than one of the longest single nation borders in the world.


New haven america wrote:3. Can't do that either, considering A. This is actually Native American homeland and B. America has more than just white people


Wasn't Israel founded on Palestinian land where a bunch of Arabs live? Seems like a bit of a double standard here.

Technically Jewish Land that the Arabs stole

New haven america wrote:4. Can't do that either, even if we when with your terrible idea, they'd have to be a descendant of an American to an American to get said citizenship


We can make prospective immigrants do ancestry tests, just like Israel does!

New haven america wrote:5. Israel's totally accepted of black people, as long as they're ethnically or religiously Jewish. (That means that a Christian or Muslim African can be an Israeli citizen if they can trace their ancestry back enough).


"We accept all ethnic groups as long as you part of our ethnic group"

That’s only for right of return. There is a process for non-Jews to become citizens which follows the lines of most nations.

So you're literally admitting they don't accept all groups then. You are saying non-Jews can only be citizens if they prove they have the right blood. Imagine if the US had a law like but it was only for white people...hmm...

Non-Jews can be citizens though

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Postby New haven america » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:32 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
New haven america wrote:They're not wrong.

See me when Trump becomes a dictator

You're the only one here saying Trump's a dictator deary.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:32 pm

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Aureumterra wrote:Al Jazeera is Qatar’s propoganda outlet


If Qatari backing is good enough for a number of US politicians then it is suitable for a source on an NS thread.


I posted another link btw about a police shooting of a young Ethiopian man and the protests that began in Israel over it. As I said, while in theory all citizens of Israel have equal rights, in practice the system there favors European Jews over middle eastern and African ones.

And if you're a non Jewish arab, it's even worse. And if you're a palestinian, they can basically just extrajudicially murder you and bulldoze your home "in the name of security"
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:32 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Daily reminder that Arab and black Jews exist. Not all Jews are Ashkenazi.


And they are rather discriminated against in Israeli society. I guess merely being Jewish isn't even good enough.

Every place is going to have discrimination. It’s part of human nature. Besides this is only for the Right of Return which fast tracks citizenship. Everyone else has to wait five years
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
We funded Israel's and theirs seems to work pretty well.

Israel has a shorter distance than one of the longest single nation borders in the world.



Wasn't Israel founded on Palestinian land where a bunch of Arabs live? Seems like a bit of a double standard here.

Technically Jewish Land that the Arabs stole

"not being there for 2,000 years" is generally recognized as forfeiture.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
And they are rather discriminated against in Israeli society. I guess merely being Jewish isn't even good enough.

Every place is going to have discrimination. It’s part of human nature. Besides this is only for the Right of Return which fast tracks citizenship. Everyone else has to wait five years


So they have different citizenship standards for Jews and non jews?

Once again, in what universe is Israel not a racist nation?
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Nevada Democratic party has officially released their first results, from 28 precincts. Out of 2,100.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Every place is going to have discrimination. It’s part of human nature. Besides this is only for the Right of Return which fast tracks citizenship. Everyone else has to wait five years


So they have different citizenship standards for Jews and non jews?

Once again, in what universe is Israel not a racist nation?

Italy, Germany, Ireland, and Japan does too for ethnic groups.
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Postby Cisairse » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:35 pm

Kruiven wrote:Nevada Democratic party has officially released their first results, from 28 precincts. Out of 2,100.


Wait, what have we been watching the rest of the time?
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:35 pm

Diopolis wrote:"not being there for 2,000 years" is generally recognized as forfeiture.


At this point Italy has a stronger claim to the entirety of Western Europe, North Africa and the Levant than Israel does to its territory...
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
So they have different citizenship standards for Jews and non jews?

Once again, in what universe is Israel not a racist nation?

Italy, Germany, Ireland, and Japan does too.


Did I ever say Japan wasnt racist? I'm pretty sure Japan is literally the most racist country in mankind's entire history. They're literally an ethnostate and have a history of being the most racist not toward white folks or latinos, but toward other asians. I wouldn't use Japan as an example of how to be a progressive nation
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Postby Kruiven » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:37 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Kruiven wrote:Nevada Democratic party has officially released their first results, from 28 precincts. Out of 2,100.


Wait, what have we been watching the rest of the time?

Reporters reporting the results they've seen, not results from the state party.
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