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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
27
59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:It would be unsurprising, since Trump is a coward.


I mean, I don't go outside and roll in the mud. Doesn't make me a coward.

Pfft. You keep your clothes unsoiled? Pathetic.

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:32 pm

Hillary and the DNC screwed sanders, had emails leaked showing they fucked him, then put up ACTUAL BARRIERS to keep his supporters out

and he metaphorical went back to his little corner and jerked for Clinton.

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:33 pm

Nazeroth wrote:Hillary and the DNC screwed sanders, had emails leaked showing they fucked him, then put up ACTUAL BARRIERS to keep his supporters out

and he metaphorical went back to his little corner and jerked for Clinton.

Spineless

Why are you obsessed with masturbation?

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:33 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Hillary and the DNC screwed sanders, had emails leaked showing they fucked him, then put up ACTUAL BARRIERS to keep his supporters out

and he metaphorical went back to his little corner and jerked for Clinton.

Spineless

Why are you obsessed with masturbation?

And vertebrates.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:34 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Hillary and the DNC screwed sanders, had emails leaked showing they fucked him, then put up ACTUAL BARRIERS to keep his supporters out

and he metaphorical went back to his little corner and jerked for Clinton.

Spineless

Why are you obsessed with masturbation?


>_> do not question that which you do not understand mortal

point is, he is spineless and cuck is the best way to describe his behavior, especially 2016.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:34 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I mean, I don't go outside and roll in the mud. Doesn't make me a coward.

Pfft. You keep your clothes unsoiled? Pathetic.


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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:36 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Why are you obsessed with masturbation?


>_> do not question that which you do not understand mortal

point is, he is spineless and cuck is the best way to describe his behavior, especially 2016.

Meh, your tired attempts at getting us riled up using gender based slurs are not even really interesting, much less effective.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:37 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
>_> do not question that which you do not understand mortal

point is, he is spineless and cuck is the best way to describe his behavior, especially 2016.

Meh, your tired attempts at getting us riled up using gender based slurs are not even really interesting, much less effective.


Tell me how he is going to stand up to foreign leaders if he couldn't even stand up Hillary Clinton?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:37 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Why are you obsessed with masturbation?


>_> do not question that which you do not understand mortal

point is, he is spineless and cuck is the best way to describe his behavior, especially 2016.


It says more about you than him, that you expect him to fight back like it's a final showdown whenever anyone disagrees with him.

Who did you admire in politics before Trump came along? I can't think of anyone with that attitude.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:37 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Galloism wrote:Meh, your tired attempts at getting us riled up using gender based slurs are not even really interesting, much less effective.


Tell me how he is going to stand up to foreign leaders if he couldn't even stand up Hillary Clinton?

What exactly was he supposed to do?

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:40 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Tell me how he is going to stand up to foreign leaders if he couldn't even stand up Hillary Clinton?

What exactly was he supposed to do?


Stand up to Clinton and tell his supporters that they were trying to keep him down and contest the primary, you know, like a person with principles.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:40 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Galloism wrote:Meh, your tired attempts at getting us riled up using gender based slurs are not even really interesting, much less effective.


Tell me how he is going to stand up to foreign leaders if he couldn't even stand up Hillary Clinton?

There’s nothing to be gained in continuing the division after the convention.

I don’t see you going around talking about cucked ted Cruz, or Marco Rubio, or Rand Paul, or any of the other 15 or so candidates in 2016 who all called Donald Trump everything under the sun, then buried the hatchet after he became the nominee.

This is a partisan lens thing.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:41 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Tell me how he is going to stand up to foreign leaders if he couldn't even stand up Hillary Clinton?

There’s nothing to be gained in continuing the division after the convention.

I don’t see you going around talking about cucked ted Cruz, or Marco Rubio, or Rand Paul, or any of the other 15 or so candidates in 2016 who all called Donald Trump everything under the sun, then buried the hatchet after he became the nominee.

This is a partisan lens thing.


Well The RNC didn't screw them over, they didn't need animosity like Sanders does.

the people wanted Trump, they got Trump

the people wanted Sanders, they got Clinton
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:44 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Galloism wrote:There’s nothing to be gained in continuing the division after the convention.

I don’t see you going around talking about cucked ted Cruz, or Marco Rubio, or Rand Paul, or any of the other 15 or so candidates in 2016 who all called Donald Trump everything under the sun, then buried the hatchet after he became the nominee.

This is a partisan lens thing.


Well The RNC didn't screw them over, they didn't need animosity like Sanders does.

the people wanted Trump, they got Trump

the people wanted Sanders, they got Clinton

The people voted for Clinton.

In error, in my opinion, but the people did in fact vote for Clinton. She got a lot more votes than sanders.

In fact, more so than trump did during the primary. 55.2% of primary voters voted for Clinton, with only 44.8% voting against her.

Conversely, 44.9% voted for Trump in the primary, with 55.1% voting against him.

Seriously, did you know Wikipedia just has information about the past?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:45 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
the people wanted Sanders, they got Clinton


Bullshit.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:47 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
the people wanted Sanders, they got Clinton


Bullshit.

I mean, it’s a basic, if very unpleasant, historical fact that among democratic primary voters, the people wanted Clinton. That’s who they voted for.

A literal majority.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:54 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Galloism wrote:Meh, your tired attempts at getting us riled up using gender based slurs are not even really interesting, much less effective.


Tell me how he is going to stand up to foreign leaders if he couldn't even stand up Hillary Clinton?

It's called politics. Clinton did Sanders dirty. No argument from me on that. But Sanders had to still back her, because the other option was the train wreck that was and is Donald Trump.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Bullshit.

I mean, it’s a basic, if very unpleasant, historical fact that among democratic primary voters, the people wanted Clinton. That’s who they voted for.

A literal majority.


Oh I see. I forgot the partisan prism. "The Republicans wanted Sanders, they got Clinton"
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:14 am

Galloism wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Bullshit.

I mean, it’s a basic, if very unpleasant, historical fact that among democratic primary voters, the people wanted Clinton. That’s who they voted for.

A literal majority.

The superdelegate system definitely screwed Sanders, such as how he clearly won in West Virginia but still got fewer overall delegates, but Clinton still had a majority of votes. This whole debacle led to a reform in the primary process, after all. Not great, since the whole delegates system should be scrapped entirely and replaced with a 1 person = 1 vote system, but I'm sure America will enter the 20th century one day.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:15 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, it’s a basic, if very unpleasant, historical fact that among democratic primary voters, the people wanted Clinton. That’s who they voted for.

A literal majority.

The superdelegate system definitely screwed Sanders, such as how he clearly won in West Virginia but still got fewer overall delegates, but Clinton still had a majority of votes. This whole debacle led to a reform in the primary process, after all. Not great, since the whole delegates system should be scrapped entirely and replaced with a 1 person = 1 vote system, but I'm sure America will enter the 20th century one day.


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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:16 am

Telconi wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The superdelegate system definitely screwed Sanders, such as how he clearly won in West Virginia but still got fewer overall delegates, but Clinton still had a majority of votes. This whole debacle led to a reform in the primary process, after all. Not great, since the whole delegates system should be scrapped entirely and replaced with a 1 person = 1 vote system, but I'm sure America will enter the 20th century one day.


19th century, best century.

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Postby Blargoblarg » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:20 am

Holy crap I'm away for a day and this thread went from 14 pages to 41 pages. :shock:
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:23 am

Blargoblarg wrote:Holy crap I'm away for a day and this thread went from 14 pages to 41 pages. :shock:


Yeah, but not much of substance has been discussed, just us rehashing the same subjects we always do. I did make my projection for next week(it'll be at least a two-way and possibly more).
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:35 am

Shrillland wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:Holy crap I'm away for a day and this thread went from 14 pages to 41 pages. :shock:


Yeah, but not much of substance has been discussed, just us rehashing the same subjects we always do. I did make my projection for next week(it'll be at least a two-way and possibly more).


Are we really surprised at this point?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:37 am

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Yeah, but not much of substance has been discussed, just us rehashing the same subjects we always do. I did make my projection for next week(it'll be at least a two-way and possibly more).


Are we really surprised at this point?


When did I say we should be surprised? He just wondered why it went up so fast.
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