2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Kruiven]

That’s a major point you made there, yes. Many in the US feel that their vote doesn’t count. This ultimately makes many apathetic to voting.

That's a problem with most democracies as far as I can tell. Especially among the working class, since I believe about 60% or so don't vote. I don't like the idea of mandatory voting, even if you barely get fined for it, but I won't deny that's somewhat solved the problem in Australia.

If you were going with the whole class-based message to them, I believe I read somewhere about something like "you don't care about politics? Your landlord does. Your employer does. The rich do. Maybe it's time for you to."

I also don't agree with mandatory voting, but the lack of voter participation is a problem. Democrats have the numbers, if they show up they win. Republican voter suppression also doesn't help Democrats.

[Albrenia]

I didn't write it.

No, I meant how it was strange that Trump, someone who wrote a book about dealmaking, is a bad negotiator.

I doubt he wrote that book despite his name being on the cover.

If he did write it, he'll go up in my estimation slightly.

[Cisairse]

Yep, Nixon's even better.

Strange coming from the man who wrote 'The Art of the Deal.'

"wrote"

[Imperial Joseon]

No, I meant how it was strange that Trump, someone who wrote a book about dealmaking, is a bad negotiator.

I doubt he wrote that book despite his name being on the cover.

If he did write it, he'll go up in my estimation slightly.

I only know "Great Again".

[Cisairse]

No, I meant how it was strange that Trump, someone who wrote a book about dealmaking, is a bad negotiator.

I doubt he wrote that book despite his name being on the cover.

If he did write it, he'll go up in my estimation slightly.

Tony Schwarz, whose name also appears on the cover, has said that he was essentially the sole author and that the book is a work of fiction. Trump himself has given conflicting accounts on this subject, so there's no real reason to disbelieve Schwarz.

[Sougra]

That's a problem with most democracies as far as I can tell. Especially among the working class, since I believe about 60% or so don't vote. I don't like the idea of mandatory voting, even if you barely get fined for it, but I won't deny that's somewhat solved the problem in Australia.

If you were going with the whole class-based message to them, I believe I read somewhere about something like "you don't care about politics? Your landlord does. Your employer does. The rich do. Maybe it's time for you to."

I also don't agree with mandatory voting, but the lack of voter participation is a problem. Democrats have the numbers, if they show up they win. Republican voter suppression also doesn't help Democrats.

Generally, that's true. I'm sure there's some secret Democrats in places like Tennessee or something that could cause an upset if they were passionate about doing so and there wasn't also a massive amount of gerrymandering or voter suppression.

[Imperial Joseon]

I doubt he wrote that book despite his name being on the cover.

If he did write it, he'll go up in my estimation slightly.

Tony Schwarz, whose name also appears on the cover, has said that he was essentially the sole author and that the book is a work of fiction. Trump himself has given conflicting accounts on this subject, so there's no real reason to disbelieve Schwarz.

Thought so; the only book I could find about him is Great Again.

[Cisairse]

Tony Schwarz, whose name also appears on the cover, has said that he was essentially the sole author and that the book is a work of fiction. Trump himself has given conflicting accounts on this subject, so there's no real reason to disbelieve Schwarz.

Thought so; the only book I could find about him is Great Again.

Oh wow, I didn't realize they retitled Crippled America after it was published. That's interesting.

Trump had another book out in 2011 and also one from 2000, but they were both kinda a no-op. Afaik they were all ghostwritten and credited as such.

[Imperial Joseon]

Thought so; the only book I could find about him is Great Again.

Oh wow, I didn't realize they retitled Crippled America after it was published. That's interesting.

Trump had another book out in 2011 and also one from 2000, but they were both kinda a no-op. Afaik they were all ghostwritten and credited as such.

Oh yeah, it was re-titled. I forgot to tell you.

[Albrenia]

Renaming a book titled 'Crippled America' to 'Great Again' sounds like a parody of something Trump would do... it's hilarious he actually did it.

[Imperial Joseon]

Renaming a book titled 'Crippled America' to 'Great Again' sounds like a parody of something Trump would do... it's hilarious he actually did it.

It's not really "Great', when all he does is flame at people by writing a cop-out book.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

We saw some of that even before the 2016 general election. Hillary up double digits in the Michigan polls, then the debate happened and trade was brought up and it's an issue where the Midwest loves the Bernie position and hated the Hillary position, and you saw him win Michigan in an upset. Which the Clinton campaign clearly didn't learn much from since they didn't campaign much in the blue wall.

Sorry. Just remembered this post. Yeah, trade is massive in rural areas since they've been decimated by free trade. And I'm not even against free trade itself, but the sheer devastation rural people have faced over that is enough to make me hate what happened to them, and I'm sure it's worse than the anecdotes that I've heard.

The destruction wrought on traditional farmers comes from domestic competition from bigger industrialized farms, and from inappropriate loans foist on them by American bankers.

Maybe also foreign competition, in some labor-intensive crops, but on the broad scale the US is a food exporter and American farmers should thank free trade rather than blaming it.

[Corrian]

This whole Bloomberg shit just gets worse.

[Kruiven]

PredictIt has opened betting for today's debate, here are the five different markets and their breakdowns as of now.

Who will speak the most? Sanders 42%, Bloomberg 37%, Biden 11%, Warren 8%, Buttigieg 8%, and Klobuchar 7%.

Who will speak the least? Klobuchar 36%, Warren 28%, Biden 21%, Buttigieg 15%, Bloomberg 12%, Sanders 2%.

How many debaters will say "virus"? 0 - 40%, 1 - 20%, 2 - 26%, 3 - 16%, 4 - 7%, 5 - 3%, 6 - 3%.

How many debaters will say "electable" or "electability"? 0 - 46%, 1 - 25%, 2 - 20%, 3 - 11%, 4 - 6%, 5 - 4%, 6 - 2%.

How many debaters will say "billionaire"? 0 - 1%, 1 - 2%, 2 - 17%, 3 - 27%, 4 - 28%, 5 - 25%, 6 - 20%.

[Imperial Joseon]

This whole Bloomberg shit just gets worse.

He's not going to win, so I can rest assured now.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This whole Bloomberg shit just gets worse.

He's not going to win, so I can rest assured now.

I wouldn't be so sure. I don't think he has a chance in hell in the general, but I do think it's very possible he can take the primary.

[Imperial Joseon]

He's not going to win, so I can rest assured now.

I wouldn't be so sure. I don't think he has a chance in hell in the general, but I do think it's very possible he can take the primary.

Sanders has better odds, doesn't he?

[Corrian]

This whole Bloomberg shit just gets worse.

He's not going to win, so I can rest assured now.

He's closer than he ever should be. The straight up racist shit he said doesn't seem to be making him drop in the polls.

[True Refuge]

Missed this in the flurry of the last 8 pages.

Not so much the revolution but protecting class interests from the capitalists. It’s not totally different from the traditionally right-wing idea of protection against governments in general.

Understandable. If the state were to take guns away, the proletariat wouldn't have any physical means to defend their property. I assume that's what you're saying, at least?

Private property ideally wouldn't exist according to most pro-gun leftists (they're usually serious enough about their beliefs that they want stateless communism or libertarian socialism). It's about the theoretical threat that the proletariat poses to the ruling class. Guns say "hey we might revolt later idk" so that the ruling class doesn't go full "fuck the poors".

In theory, that is.

[Imperial Joseon]

He's not going to win, so I can rest assured now.

He's closer than he ever should be. The straight up racist shit he said doesn't seem to be making him drop in the polls.

He probably bribed the votes.

[Rojava Free State]

I didn't write it.

No, I meant how it was strange that Trump, someone who wrote a book about dealmaking, is a bad negotiator.

People are surprised that trump is blowing money on a space force. Lmao this man's business went bankrupt and you think he would know how to run a national treasury?!

[Rojava Free State]

He's closer than he ever should be. The straight up racist shit he said doesn't seem to be making him drop in the polls.

He probably bribed the votes.

Promising jobs to people that he can never give them and also promising to yeet on the Mexicans was all it took for trump to win. That, and Hillary Clinton being a dumbass

[Imperial Joseon]

No, I meant how it was strange that Trump, someone who wrote a book about dealmaking, is a bad negotiator.

People are surprised that trump is blowing money on a space force. Lmao this man's business went bankrupt and you think he would know how to run a national treasury?!

How's a person like him a President? I don't understand.

[Rojava Free State]

I wouldn't be so sure. I don't think he has a chance in hell in the general, but I do think it's very possible he can take the primary.

Sanders has better odds, doesn't he?

Yeah but you can't trust American political parties to play fair

Remember Iowa?

[Rojava Free State]

People are surprised that trump is blowing money on a space force. Lmao this man's business went bankrupt and you think he would know how to run a national treasury?!

How's a person like him a President? I don't understand.

Because America is full of a lot of stupid people and also a lot of desperate people. If few were stupid and few were struggling to survive, a demagogue like trump would be laughed off the stage the moment he tried to make the case that "bigly" is a word.