2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[True Refuge]

Aside from the human cost, it's also more economically efficient to throw more money at the poor as opposed to the rich, as they spend more of it and therefore produce more economic growth.

Why must the money be thrown at all? What's it done that makes you wish to fling it at anybody?

It is an intolerable crime to take an action that will clearly lead to the suffering and death of human beings en masse.

With how many people live in poverty or are destitute without public healthcare spending, ending the entirety of federal US social spending targeting the working class and the impoverished is certain to cause that. When you have so many people living on the edge in an economy that really is only good on paper there isn't really any option for a transition program from "social programs exist" to "they don't". The only way this could possibly be happening is if we lived in a happy land where the economy was absolutely booming in all terms without being propped up by stock buybacks and the job market was great for everyone and a living wage was always available. A dreamland under the current economic landscape and the direction of American conservatism (or the equivalents in pretty much all Western countries really).

You an anarcho-egoist as well as an AnCap? I'm not seeing how this is acceptable to anyone who isn't one.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why must the money be thrown at all? What's it done that makes you wish to fling it at anybody?

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

I don't hate anybody for receiving my money, I hate the government for taking it.

[True Refuge]

Why must the money be thrown at all? What's it done that makes you wish to fling it at anybody?

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

I think the positions comes more from egoist beliefs than a specific hatred of the working class. You're thinking of Purgatio.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

I don't hate anybody for receiving my money, I hate the government for taking it.

But what if you end up in a position that you'd end up receiving more money than you are taking? Would you support welfare then?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't hate anybody for receiving my money, I hate the government for taking it.

But what if you end up in a position that you'd end up receiving more money than you are taking? Would you support welfare then?

no

[Sougra]

Ah. I still don't fully get it, but I do understand bonds to an extent, so I get how that goes into people being lenders/investors.

If I didn't explain it well, that would be because I don't understand it well. In particular, I'm baffled by the quantitative easing there's been so much of. Perhaps someone else could explain it better.

Good to know. Hopefully, someone can attempt to better explain it, but if not, that's okay with me.

Oh, and I forgot to do so earlier, I believe, so thank you for informing me and making me understand this some more. I appreciate it.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why must the money be thrown at all? What's it done that makes you wish to fling it at anybody?

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

[Ifreann]

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

Eliminate the possibility of falling and we won't need a net.

[Zurkerx]

New National Poll shows Sanders continues to lead while also helping Bloomberg qualify for the debate. The breakdown:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard <1%

So, Sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner while Biden is collapsing. It seems Biden's collapse is at the expense of Bloomberg's rise; Buttigieg is a effected by this too as well as other moderates who are seeing their growth in the polls being stopped with his presence. Bloomberg also qualifies for tomorrow's debate so it's going to be interesting and fun to see how that plays out.

[Imperial Joseon]

New National Poll shows Sanders continues to lead while also helping Bloomberg qualify for the debate. The breakdown:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard <1%

So, Sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner while Biden is collapsing. It seems Biden's collapse is at the expense of Bloomberg's rise; Buttigieg is a effected by this too as well as other moderates who are seeing their growth in the polls being stopped with his presence. Bloomberg also qualifies for tomorrow's debate so it's going to be interesting and fun to see how that plays out.

Why's Biden up so high?

[Sougra]

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

I believe the most simple argument against that is that they are not granting prosperity, but security. Any particular arguments against that?

[United States of Devonta]

New National Poll shows Sanders continues to lead while also helping Bloomberg qualify for the debate. The breakdown:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard <1%

So, Sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner while Biden is collapsing. It seems Biden's collapse is at the expense of Bloomberg's rise; Buttigieg is a effected by this too as well as other moderates who are seeing their growth in the polls being stopped with his presence. Bloomberg also qualifies for tomorrow's debate so it's going to be interesting and fun to see how that plays out.

Bloomberg might be a blessing in disguise for Sanders.

[Saturna1ia]

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

A social safety net and welfare aren't implemented to bring prosperity, but rather to provide necessity or increase social mobility. The largest safety nets in the US specifically are Social Security and Medicare. These programs do not "wreck people's lives". They provide much needed financial assistance to an elderly population that is only getting larger, and much needed medical care to those less well-off who otherwise would live and work just to pay off medical debts. American social safety nets are exceptionally bureaucratic and inefficient because so many are working against them. If these programs can be consolidated and the top marginal tax rates can be raised even to the levels they were in the 1960s when the counterintuitive government policy of tax significantly less, but still spend more came about then the US will start to solve many of its problems.

[Zurkerx]

New National Poll shows Sanders continues to lead while also helping Bloomberg qualify for the debate. The breakdown:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard <1%

So, Sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner while Biden is collapsing. It seems Biden's collapse is at the expense of Bloomberg's rise; Buttigieg is a effected by this too as well as other moderates who are seeing their growth in the polls being stopped with his presence. Bloomberg also qualifies for tomorrow's debate so it's going to be interesting and fun to see how that plays out.

Bloomberg might be a blessing in disguise for Sanders.

He is: he's keeping the moderate vote split.

In other news, a major Latino group, Mijente, backs Sanders.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

I believe the most simple argument against that is that they are not granting prosperity, but security. Any particular arguments against that?

The state has no obligation to ensure that people are financially secure. You have an obligation to ensure that you and any dependants are financially secure. I'm not particularly interested in the claims that bad things x y and z will happen to people formerly receiving social security should it stop, the only people responsible for a failure on the part of some to save for retirement are those who failed to save for retirement.

[Jerzylvania]

New National Poll shows Sanders continues to lead while also helping Bloomberg qualify for the debate. The breakdown:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard <1%

So, Sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner while Biden is collapsing. It seems Biden's collapse is at the expense of Bloomberg's rise; Buttigieg is a effected by this too as well as other moderates who are seeing their growth in the polls being stopped with his presence. Bloomberg also qualifies for tomorrow's debate so it's going to be interesting and fun to see how that plays out.

Bloomberg might be a blessing in disguise for Sanders.

And he also may spell DOOM!

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

New National Poll shows Sanders continues to lead while also helping Bloomberg qualify for the debate. The breakdown:

Sanders 31%
Bloomberg 19%
Biden 15%
Warren 12%
Klobuchar 9%
Buttigieg 8%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard <1%

So, Sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner while Biden is collapsing. It seems Biden's collapse is at the expense of Bloomberg's rise; Buttigieg is a effected by this too as well as other moderates who are seeing their growth in the polls being stopped with his presence. Bloomberg also qualifies for tomorrow's debate so it's going to be interesting and fun to see how that plays out.

Bloomberg might be a blessing in disguise for Sanders.

A more shocking reality can be seen though, Bloomberg has a shot at buying the election

[United States of Devonta]

Bloomberg might be a blessing in disguise for Sanders.

A more shocking reality can be seen though, Bloomberg has a shot at buying the election

Aw yes, my vote blue no matter who credentials are really being tested if he gets the nomination.

[Gormwood]

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

I believe the most simple argument against that is that they are not granting prosperity, but security. Any particular arguments against that?

If there's no underclass struggling and suffering, who will the affluent bootstrappers turn their noses up at and dismiss as lazy welfare leeches?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

A more shocking reality can be seen though, Bloomberg has a shot at buying the election

Aw yes, my vote blue no matter who credentials are really being tested if he gets the nomination.

It’s not like Trump is a unique threat that needs to be ousted immediately, I’d take 4 more years of him than Bloomberg who could well create a network in the American bureaucracy and hijack the government

And, like a stopped clock, Trump gets things right occasionally, mainly ending wars

[Lower Nubia]

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

This is literally nonsense.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I believe the most simple argument against that is that they are not granting prosperity, but security. Any particular arguments against that?

If there's no underclass struggling and suffering, who will the affluent bootstrappers turn their noses up at and dismiss as lazy welfare leeches?

Nobody is being made to suffer under my system though. They're being made to take responsibility for themselves.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Right, now you're just being facetious because you know your right-wing economic ideology is driven more by a hatred of the working class as opposed to fact.

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

I do agree it’s broken, but probably in a different way than you do

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Fact is, people don't have an inherent right to prosperity. Prosperity is not something you take for granted and is just handed down from on high.

The social safety net is stupid and wrecks people's lives. Get rid of it. Replace it with something more effective.

This is literally nonsense.

Assertion without reasoning is not an argument.

[Lower Nubia]

I believe the most simple argument against that is that they are not granting prosperity, but security. Any particular arguments against that?

The state has no obligation to ensure that people are financially secure. You have an obligation to ensure that you and any dependants are financially secure. I'm not particularly interested in the claims that bad things x y and z will happen to people formerly receiving social security should it stop, the only people responsible for a failure on the part of some to save for retirement are those who failed to save for retirement.

Super naive view of the world.