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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
27
59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Sougra
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Postby Sougra » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sougra wrote:Oh sure. No disagreement there. I was just playing devil's advocate. The sig is meant to make sure people don't see everything I say as me believing that wholeheartedly. I appreciate that Ventura and Schwarzenegger went for Governor and not President instead, although Arnold had no option to become President.

Reagan was also Governor before he became President

I was going for more recent examples, but yes, he was. My only recollection right now of what he did in his term as Governor is how he dealt with the Black Panthers. Which wasn't great.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:02 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:


Well, that was before we all found out Arnie knocked up his Mexican housekeeper and had his secret son squirreled a way somewhere. Of course, no wait staff that knew Donny's kids would ever want to take that pregnancy to term.
*shudders*

Hey, Arnold at least kept in touch with his illegitimate son.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:11 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Well, that was before we all found out Arnie knocked up his Mexican housekeeper and had his secret son squirreled a way somewhere. Of course, no wait staff that knew Donny's kids would ever want to take that pregnancy to term.
*shudders*

Hey, Arnold at least kept in touch with his illegitimate son.

From what I heard he was a rather decent Governor. It’s a shame he was termed out and can never run again for that office as term limits in the state are lifetime

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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:12 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Well, that was before we all found out Arnie knocked up his Mexican housekeeper and had his secret son squirreled a way somewhere. Of course, no wait staff that knew Donny's kids would ever want to take that pregnancy to term.
*shudders*

Hey, Arnold at least kept in touch with his illegitimate son.

And Maria Shriver didn't.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:13 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It's significantly more complicated than that, and rural people would also prefer to solve their own problems, thank you very much.

China wanted to solve coronavirus on its own too.


Comparing honest, hardworking rural Americans to the corruption of the Chinese Government? Hmm, where has said contempt backfired before?

Oh yeah: https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons- ... lks-about/

If you want their vote, comparing them to China might not be the best option. Just saying, but hey, maybe that's also President Trump's fault.
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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:14 pm

Sougra wrote:
Cedoria wrote:
But as I said, run for a lesser office first, rather then using "I'm a celebrity" to piggyback into the big job. Prove you don't choke in politics altogether in the lesser roles first, then I'd say it's not a disqualifier.

Oh sure. No disagreement there. I was just playing devil's advocate. The sig is meant to make sure people don't see everything I say as me believing that wholeheartedly. I appreciate that Ventura and Schwarzenegger went for Governor and not President instead, although Arnold had no option to become President.


Yeah cool. Wasn’t having a go at you, just making the point. Sorry if it came off as disagreeing:)
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:16 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Hey, Arnold at least kept in touch with his illegitimate son.

And Maria Shriver didn't.

There a reason for her to?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Hey, Arnold at least kept in touch with his illegitimate son.

From what I heard he was a rather decent Governor. It’s a shame he was termed out and can never run again for that office as term limits in the state are lifetime


I'm sure you would have voted for him despite his big bad 'R' :roll:
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:19 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:And Maria Shriver didn't.

There a reason for her to?

Not the point.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:24 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Gormwood wrote:There a reason for her to?

Not the point.

So what is it? Don probably has least one out there and he'll act like it was another impeachment.
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Sougra
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Postby Sougra » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:37 pm

Cedoria wrote:
Sougra wrote:Oh sure. No disagreement there. I was just playing devil's advocate. The sig is meant to make sure people don't see everything I say as me believing that wholeheartedly. I appreciate that Ventura and Schwarzenegger went for Governor and not President instead, although Arnold had no option to become President.


Yeah cool. Wasn’t having a go at you, just making the point. Sorry if it came off as disagreeing:)

Nah, that's cool. I just thought you felt like I was endorsing celebrities for President. I'm not. Not unless I end up liking a vast majority of their policies. Pleasure discussing this tangent with you.
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Just in case, often when I discuss something, it's under the pretense of the Socratic Method or the devil's advocate, so just know that I don't always advocate for what I'm saying. Thank you.

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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:40 pm

Gormwood wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
You don't need medical care if you stay healthy. Just like you don't need guns as long as you stay safe.

I forgot, cancer is 100% preventable.


I forgot that being targeted by gang members is 100% preventable.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:42 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:I forgot, cancer is 100% preventable.


I forgot that being targeted by gang members is 100% preventable.


Being shot by gang members is 100% not Gauth's personal problem, and it's therefore not important.
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-Religious Freedom
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:47 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:From what I heard he was a rather decent Governor. It’s a shame he was termed out and can never run again for that office as term limits in the state are lifetime


I'm sure you would have voted for him despite his big bad 'R' :roll:

I would have voted for him

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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm sure you would have voted for him despite his big bad 'R' :roll:

I would have voted for him


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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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The Sherpa Empire
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I would have voted for him


And I'm the king of England


Sometimes people are more willing to cross party lines at the state or local level.

I mean, I'd never vote Republican for national office in the current political climate -- but I still voted for Charlie Baker for governor.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:53 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And I'm the king of England


Sometimes people are more willing to cross party lines at the state or local level.

I mean, I'd never vote Republican for national office in the current political climate -- but I still voted for Charlie Baker for governor.


Indeed.
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-Weapons Rights
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:55 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And I'm the king of England


Sometimes people are more willing to cross party lines at the state or local level.

I mean, I'd never vote Republican for national office in the current political climate -- but I still voted for Charlie Baker for governor.


I have split ticket but haven't done so in several years as there hasn't;t been a single Republican I could vote for.

I would have voted for Charlie Baker if I resided in Massachusetts

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:30 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:I forgot, cancer is 100% preventable.


I forgot that being targeted by gang members is 100% preventable.


Weirdly, places where gangs are most prominant have high support for gun control.

Probably that whole gang members have guns thing. Besides, it's their rights too!
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:32 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:I forgot, cancer is 100% preventable.


I forgot that being targeted by gang members is 100% preventable.

You don't have to be in a bad neighborhood to get cancer. Ask Rush Limbaugh.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:32 pm

Serksis Federation wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:You only "earn a comfortable life" in America if you rip off your colleagues and customers and the environment. Mark Zuckerberg. Jeff Bezos. The list goes on and on.

Capitalism has brought out the worst in Americans and it needs to be reined in ASAP.



Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are your example of just comfortable? Not everyone can be the 1%. Comfortable could be 70k - 130k a year.

The best to hope for is to lower the wealth inequality, but making everyone Mark Zuckerberg is not it.


You know what the median household income is? It's 59k
And the median individual income is 31k

By your definition of "comfortable" more than half of families in the US are Not Comfortable.
Or if you meant individual income, it's 84% of individuals are Not Comfortable.

Maybe they're just not working hard enough to "deserve" comfort. :(
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:38 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Serksis Federation wrote:

Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are your example of just comfortable? Not everyone can be the 1%. Comfortable could be 70k - 130k a year.

The best to hope for is to lower the wealth inequality, but making everyone Mark Zuckerberg is not it.


You know what the median household income is? It's 59k
And the median individual income is 31k

By your definition of "comfortable" more than half of families in the US are Not Comfortable.
Or if you meant individual income, it's 84% of individuals are Not Comfortable.

Maybe they're just not working hard enough to "deserve" comfort. :(

Lazy parasites aren't pulling on their bootstraps hard enough. /s
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:47 pm

Maraculand wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:No one is arguing against being able to defend oneself. Hell, most people in the US aren't even asking for a zero-tolerance ban on firearms.


Agreed. Point I was making is that a comparison between gun rights and health care is a bit silly.


There's four more pages of it and no end in sight. Welcome to NSG.
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Postby Duvniask » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:50 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Maraculand wrote:
Agreed. Point I was making is that a comparison between gun rights and health care is a bit silly.


There's four more pages of it and no end in sight. Welcome to NSG.

NSG is a simulation.

Has to be.

My sanity will not permit otherwise.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:51 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
There's four more pages of it and no end in sight. Welcome to NSG.

NSG is a simulation.

Has to be.

My sanity will not permit otherwise.


Well I know I'm a self-aware script. Don't know about the rest of you.
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