2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Satuga]

I enjoy the fact you are all using the term "Normal" Yet normal in society is always changing. It was "normal" to have slaves back then, it was "normal" to have segregated seats on the bus back then, hell it was "normal" to kill your own child if you couldn't support it way back. The only times thing's change for worse or better is when things aren't normal. Not to mention what's "normal" in one place may be completely abnormal n another. So could we not use the term "normal" in terms of how people want society?

All it really means was status quo at the time.

And in that status quo the few financial centers of the US were thriving and their wealth trickled down into the areas surrounding said financial centers.

Great if you were connected or lived near said finance centers, but outside of them you have to make do.

But is it a good thing to stay in that status quo forever? Or is it better to change the status quo in an attempt to make things better, like instead of just the few centers it were everywhere that was thriving. My point being normal shouldn't really be used in this context because normal is never really constant and doesn't mean "good" or "bad".

[Thermodolia]

Honestly, Clinton could have pulled this off in 1992.

Ehhhh I dunno. Hillary had no political experience prior to her Senate run (even if you consider being First Lady political experience, she obviously wasn't First Lady yet in 1992).

It would be perfectly legal to do so.

Perfectly legal and absolutely hilarious.

Unfortunately that’s the case in the US. I wish we where a multi-party democracy but the reality is that we aren’t

Making efforts to even further ingrain the two-party system is a weird way of wishing for a multi-party democracy.

Except I’m not. Opening up the party nominations to all citizens isn’t the same as trying to ingrain the two party system

[Thermodolia]

My point was that the two-party deadlock can be solved through means other than full proportionality, although full proportionality is still a great idea. Full PR is a hard sell to people who want their representatives to be linked to their constituency rather than the state/region/country as a whole. The AUS Parliament is famed around here for giving the balance of power to the crossbench rather than the two major parties in both houses. It's good fun.

This is why we should have a proportional lower house and an STV-elected district-based upper house.

I agree with that.

Also in my opinion most of the states should be unicameral and have parliamentary systems.

Ya no. And Parliamentary system really doesn’t mean much on its own. Parliament is just an other word for legislature

[Zurkerx]

Sanders has a small lead in a new Texas Democratic Primary Poll. The breakdown:

Sanders 24%
Biden 22%
Warren 15%
Bloomberg 10%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar/Steyer 3%
Gabbard 2%
Other 8%
(Yang 6%; is out)

Assuming this plays out, Sanders would be positioned to win big on Super Tuesday (he already leads in California).

[Thermodolia]

The articles I’m looking at only note that the union described the backlash as “vicious”, which could mean so much I don’t know

There has been a history of fifth columning and a few instances of the sillier MAGA types trying (although often failing) to do these things while pretending to be Dems so I’m looking for more info.

Regardless, Sanders has denounced the backlash.

I highly doubt it’s far leftists doing it. Far leftists know what good praxis is, and that ain’t it. Probably Woke Twitter losing its shit again, which no one but Woke Twitter cares about. Populism of any flavour sweeps up the crazies.

Far leftists are pretty bonkers, though. They've been attacking Buttigieg because he's apparently not "gay enough", or doesn't fit what they think being gay is. I've seen more homophobia coming from the far left, or "Woke Twitter", than freaking Republicans directed towards Buttigieg, which is just sad.

And Sanders denunciation seemed a bit half-assed.

Ya that’s more woke Twitter than the far left

[Thermodolia]

Biden used to be better. He's just not himself since Beau died.

He had 4 children, he lost one, you think in nearly four years he could have got over it.

You really don’t get over shit like that

[Chan Island]

Sanders has a small lead in a new Texas Democratic Primary Poll. The breakdown:

Sanders 24%
Biden 22%
Warren 15%
Bloomberg 10%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar/Steyer 3%
Gabbard 2%
Other 8%
(Yang 6%; is out)

Assuming this plays out, Sanders would be positioned to win big on Super Tuesday (he already leads in California).

Please, please, please, let this play out. A giant win for Sanders in the primary, and then take the fight to the Donald. That would be nice.

[Thermodolia]

Sanders has a small lead in a new Texas Democratic Primary Poll. The breakdown:

Sanders 24%
Biden 22%
Warren 15%
Bloomberg 10%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar/Steyer 3%
Gabbard 2%
Other 8%
(Yang 6%; is out)

Assuming this plays out, Sanders would be positioned to win big on Super Tuesday (he already leads in California).

I got one welcome our new crazy haired overlord

[Chan Island]

Sanders has a small lead in a new Texas Democratic Primary Poll. The breakdown:

Sanders 24%
Biden 22%
Warren 15%
Bloomberg 10%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar/Steyer 3%
Gabbard 2%
Other 8%
(Yang 6%; is out)

Assuming this plays out, Sanders would be positioned to win big on Super Tuesday (he already leads in California).

I got one welcome our new crazy haired overlord

Unfortunately in recent weeks somebody's introduced Sanders to a hair dressers. He has short hair now.

RIP, the crazy hair. You will be fondly remembered.

[United States of Devonta]

I got one welcome our new crazy haired overlord

Unfortunately in recent weeks somebody's introduced Sanders to a hair dressers. He has short hair now.

RIP, the crazy hair. You will be fondly remembered.

He was sadly introduced to the comb. RIP.

[Valrifell]

Unfortunately in recent weeks somebody's introduced Sanders to a hair dressers. He has short hair now.

RIP, the crazy hair. You will be fondly remembered.

He was sadly introduced to the comb. RIP.

He succumbed to an instrument of the bourgeoise.

[United States of Devonta]

Sanders has a small lead in a new Texas Democratic Primary Poll. The breakdown:

Sanders 24%
Biden 22%
Warren 15%
Bloomberg 10%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar/Steyer 3%
Gabbard 2%
Other 8%
(Yang 6%; is out)

Assuming this plays out, Sanders would be positioned to win big on Super Tuesday (he already leads in California).

This is nice. Sanders leads with Hispanics almost two-fold, this will help in Texas and California. Hopefully Warren drops out after South Carolina, that being said her NH speech made it sound like she'll be in at least to Super Tuesday.

Also, Yang supporters second choice in polls has been Bernie Sanders. Some of that 6% should trickle to Sander. Anecdotally on twitter, iv'e seen many Yang Gangers moving to Sanders or saying they are going to sit the rest of the primary out.

[Zurkerx]

Sanders has a small lead in a new Texas Democratic Primary Poll. The breakdown:

Sanders 24%
Biden 22%
Warren 15%
Bloomberg 10%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar/Steyer 3%
Gabbard 2%
Other 8%
(Yang 6%; is out)

Assuming this plays out, Sanders would be positioned to win big on Super Tuesday (he already leads in California).

This is nice. Sanders leads with Hispanics almost two-fold, this will help in Texas and California. Hopefully Warren drops out after South Carolina, that being said her NH speech made it sound like she'll be in at least to Super Tuesday.

Also, Yang supporters second choice in polls has been Bernie Sanders. Some of that 6% should trickle to Sander. Anecdotally on twitter, iv'e seen many Yang Gangers moving to Sanders or saying they are going to sit the rest of the primary out.

To be fair, what Warren said NH may change by the time SC comes around. After all, Jon Huntsman back 2012 came in third in New Hampshire Republican Primary where he publicly proclaimed "third place is ticket to ride" to show he's ready to win it big in South Carolina for his new fond momentum. Several days later, he dropped out before South Carolina's Primary.

[Kowani]

This is why we should have a proportional lower house and an STV-elected district-based upper house.

I agree with that.

Also in my opinion most of the states should be unicameral and have parliamentary systems.

Ya no. And Parliamentary system really doesn’t mean much on its own. Parliament is just an other word for legislature

Well, not quite. A Parliamentary System refers to the relationship between the Legislature and the Executive.

[Cisairse]

What have have they been doing?

Death threats, doxxing, etc. What a great way to show that you're the "Love everyone" group of people. Far leftist progressives are their own worst enemy.

Who are you quoting?

[Cisairse]

Ya no. And Parliamentary system really doesn’t mean much on its own. Parliament is just an other word for legislature

That's not true. "Parliamentary system" refers to a specific method of arranging the executive functions of a polity.

[Jerzylvania]

Biden used to be better. He's just not himself since Beau died.

He had 4 children, he lost one, you think in nearly four years he could have got over it.

Look, a block of ice probably would maybe think that.

My sister lost her son in 2014. I can honestly tell you there is never going to be enough time for her to get over it.

[Aureumterra]

I wonder if the Russian intelligence agents trying to sink Biden's candidacy have figured out yet that nobody actually really likes Biden.

I wonder if they exist

[The Emerald Legion]

Biden used to be better. He's just not himself since Beau died.

He had 4 children, he lost one, you think in nearly four years he could have got over it.

No. When you lose people close to you, it's never the same.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

In my experience it seems like there's a double standard going on. Nobody seems to care all that much when some supporters of the other Democratic candidates are behaving badly online or whatever, but they always make a big issue of a small minority of Sanders supporters behaving badly and act like they're representative of all Sanders supporters.

Sanders supporters are producing a much larger volume of toxic content than any of the other campaigns. It's not a double standard when a flood of abuse from hundreds of Sanders supporters gets more criticism than one oh-so-woke Warren supporter that is PMSing on Twitter. It's just acknowledging a difference in the volume of toxic content.

Again, populism has patterns, like with Trump supporters

[Bear Stearns]

For a white man that's rather short. Average height for white men is 5' 10" to 6' 0", depending on what year you pull data from.

The average for white guys has to be 6 feet. When I'm around them, it seems like 75% of them are taller than I am and I'm 5'9

They say height decreases on average as you head south from Norway to the Mediterranean

I'm a modest Anglo of six feet, two inches in height. But when I moved to the Midwest, which is full of corn-fed Germans and Scandinavians, I felt dwarfed.

[Cisairse]

Biden used to be better. He's just not himself since Beau died.

He had 4 children, he lost one, you think in nearly four years he could have got over it.

He lost two children and his wife. That would break most people.

[Jerzylvania]

The average for white guys has to be 6 feet. When I'm around them, it seems like 75% of them are taller than I am and I'm 5'9

They say height decreases on average as you head south from Norway to the Mediterranean

I'm a modest Anglo of six feet, two inches in height. But when I moved to the Midwest, which is full of corn-fed Germans and Scandinavians, I felt dwarfed.

Meanwhile over in Russia, Vladimir Putin measures up as the same height as Mike Bloomberg. I wonder if the loud mouth in the White House has anything to say about Uncle Vladdy's stature?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I'm a modest Anglo of six feet, two inches in height. But when I moved to the Midwest, which is full of corn-fed Germans and Scandinavians, I felt dwarfed.

Meanwhile over in Russia, Vladimir Putin measures up as the same height as Mike Bloomberg. I wonder if the loud mouth in the White House has anything to say about Uncle Vladdy's stature?

Bloomberg is trying to buy the election, any jokes at his expense are automatically a win

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Meanwhile over in Russia, Vladimir Putin measures up as the same height as Mike Bloomberg. I wonder if the loud mouth in the White House has anything to say about Uncle Vladdy's stature?

Bloomberg is trying to buy the election, any jokes at his expense are automatically a win

No. They're idiotic, shallow garbage.

Get Bloomberg on his racist scapegoating of minorities for the 2008 financial crash, his support for stop-and-frisk, etc... but don't resort to shallow cheap shots. Tell the people who make them to step aside and make way for people who know what REALLY matters.

EDIT: If you really have a problem with his height, you're implying you'd be okay with a taller person trying to "buy the election." If you don't, you're dishonest. That might be good enough for the Internet, but it is NOT good enough for an election to the highest office in the land.