2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

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None of them have any real chance. At this point, Yang and Gabbard are running to make a name for themselves, set up future career prospects, and spread their ideas - Gabbard with her opposition to regime change wars and Yang with universal basic income.

I would love to see Sanders make Gabbard his running mate or better yet, make her Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, but I don't expect it. Relentless slander and libel against Gabbard has made her a problematic ally for Sanders. Even though Sanders is a principled man who sees through all the lies about Gabbard, he needs to make pragmatic choices. Warren is a more likely running mate.

Stelter and Bloomberg are going just because they can. Being billionaires, they have inflated egos. I think Steyer knows he's done. Bloomberg might be delusional enough to think he can win but after Super Tuesday he will have to face reality.

There is no world in which Warren is Sander's running mate.

Why not? Republicans are at each other's throats and then later working together all the time, Democrats can do the same.

I think Bernie Sanders is committed enough to his vision to forgive Warren's smears against him and work with her for the sake of winning the election. Bernie endorsed and campaigned for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election despite everything that happened.

[Kowani]

None of them have any real chance. At this point, Yang and Gabbard are running to make a name for themselves, set up future career prospects, and spread their ideas - Gabbard with her opposition to regime change wars and Yang with universal basic income.

I would love to see Sanders make Gabbard his running mate or better yet, make her Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, but I don't expect it. Relentless slander and libel against Gabbard has made her a problematic ally for Sanders. Even though Sanders is a principled man who sees through all the lies about Gabbard, he needs to make pragmatic choices. Warren is a more likely running mate.

Stelter and Bloomberg are going just because they can. Being billionaires, they have inflated egos. I think Steyer knows he's done. Bloomberg might be delusional enough to think he can win but after Super Tuesday he will have to face reality.

There is no world in which Warren is Sander's running mate.

-Laughs in string theory-

[The Black Forrest]

Didn’t Trump renew the Patriot Act?

So did Obama, and so did the Democrats who voted for its renewal. Honestly trying to pin the patriot act on the President is laughable deflection at how bipartisan the act has been.

Kind of surprising since trump is out to remove anything Obama touched. He may have wanted to kill it and then somebody explained who started it. The shrub probably makes him less angry.....

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Didn’t Trump renew the Patriot Act?

So did Obama, and so did the Democrats who voted for its renewal. Honestly trying to pin the patriot act on the President is laughable deflection at how bipartisan the act has been.

It's funny how bipartisanship is hailed as a great virtue but when the Republicans and Democrats come together, it's usually to wage war or snuff out civil liberties.

[Cannot think of a name]

There is no world in which Warren is Sander's running mate.

Why not? Republicans are at each other's throats and then later working together all the time, Democrats can do the same.

I think Bernie Sanders is committed enough to his vision to forgive Warren's smears against him and work with her for the sake of winning the election. Bernie endorsed and campaigned for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election despite everything that happened.

Not even remotely the issue. I don't buy into that whole feud rivalry bullshit. That's some clickbait shit.

The reason there's no world in which Warren is Sanders VP is there's no reason in this world for it for either of them. If she doesn't get the big job she goes back to the senate where she'll carry on, same as Sanders. And what's she going to bring to the ticket ideologically? The remaining 15 people who for some reason will only vote for Sanders if he doubles down? There isn't an electoral map that requires that the ticket really, really secure New England. They're both as old as the fucking hills, if Sanders were young like Obama he might take an old VP to bolster the 'experience' issue, but since Sanders is a fossil himself he's going to go with what passes for youth in a presidential candidate. Maybe not Buttegieg young, but someone with a future in the party, who can lead the party after the Sanders presidency.

There is zero reason to put Warren on a Sanders ticket. She becomes less effective than if she'd remained in the Senate, it ends her political career, it does nothing geographically, demographically, or ideologically for the ticket.

That's why.

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Why not? Republicans are at each other's throats and then later working together all the time, Democrats can do the same.

I think Bernie Sanders is committed enough to his vision to forgive Warren's smears against him and work with her for the sake of winning the election. Bernie endorsed and campaigned for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election despite everything that happened.

Not even remotely the issue. I don't buy into that whole feud rivalry bullshit. That's some clickbait shit.

The reason there's no world in which Warren is Sanders VP is there's no reason in this world for it for either of them. If she doesn't get the big job she goes back to the senate where she'll carry on, same as Sanders. And what's she going to bring to the ticket ideologically? The remaining 15 people who for some reason will only vote for Sanders if he doubles down? There isn't an electoral map that requires that the ticket really, really secure New England. They're both as old as the fucking hills, if Sanders were young like Obama he might take an old VP to bolster the 'experience' issue, but since Sanders is a fossil himself he's going to go with what passes for youth in a presidential candidate. Maybe not Buttegieg young, but someone with a future in the party, who can lead the party after the Sanders presidency.

There is zero reason to put Warren on a Sanders ticket. She becomes less effective than if she'd remained in the Senate, it ends her political career, it does nothing geographically, demographically, or ideologically for the ticket.

That's why.

I very much question the conventional wisdom of winning tickets. How much did Kaine, an even bigger moderate than Clinton, from a key swing state, help her? How did Trump having a right-wing extremist from a state pretty much guaranteed to go for him in 2016 hurt him?

All the traditional rules of American politics are dead.

[Aureumterra]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

[Post War America]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

It may be more accurate however to say his stance on rights of access to firearms has been, generally speaking more conciliatory than most Democrats, and especially most Progressive Democrats.

[Washington Resistance Army]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

It may be more accurate however to say his stance on rights of access to firearms has been, generally speaking more conciliatory than most Democrats, and especially most Progressive Democrats.

Maybe 10-15 years ago that would have been true yeah. But nowadays he falls firmly in line with everyone else on the topic.

[Ifreann]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

A convincing argument, well made.

[Cannot think of a name]

Not even remotely the issue. I don't buy into that whole feud rivalry bullshit. That's some clickbait shit.

The reason there's no world in which Warren is Sanders VP is there's no reason in this world for it for either of them. If she doesn't get the big job she goes back to the senate where she'll carry on, same as Sanders. And what's she going to bring to the ticket ideologically? The remaining 15 people who for some reason will only vote for Sanders if he doubles down? There isn't an electoral map that requires that the ticket really, really secure New England. They're both as old as the fucking hills, if Sanders were young like Obama he might take an old VP to bolster the 'experience' issue, but since Sanders is a fossil himself he's going to go with what passes for youth in a presidential candidate. Maybe not Buttegieg young, but someone with a future in the party, who can lead the party after the Sanders presidency.

There is zero reason to put Warren on a Sanders ticket. She becomes less effective than if she'd remained in the Senate, it ends her political career, it does nothing geographically, demographically, or ideologically for the ticket.

That's why.

I very much question the conventional wisdom of winning tickets. How much did Kaine, an even bigger moderate than Clinton, from a key swing state, help her? How did Trump having a right-wing extremist from a state pretty much guaranteed to go for him in 2016 hurt him?

All the traditional rules of American politics are dead.

This might be an argument for a talking cat being Sanders running mate, but it doesn't create a reason in the world for Warren to be Sanders running mate.

Because there isn't one.

She won't be.

[Post War America]

It may be more accurate however to say his stance on rights of access to firearms has been, generally speaking more conciliatory than most Democrats, and especially most Progressive Democrats.

Maybe 10-15 years ago that would have been true yeah. But nowadays he falls firmly in line with everyone else on the topic.

Iunno, the only big thing I've seen him fall into line about was the AWB, which while an admittedly extremely flawed way to counteract gun violence, is hardly is ridiculous as some people's positions. Though to be fair firearm regulation isn't an issue that's particularly important to me, and neither of the major parties nor any serious third party represents my positions on the issue in the slightest anyway.

[Aureumterra]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

It may be more accurate however to say his stance on rights of access to firearms has been, generally speaking more conciliatory than most Democrats, and especially most Progressive Democrats.

[Tarsonis]

Not even remotely the issue. I don't buy into that whole feud rivalry bullshit. That's some clickbait shit.

The reason there's no world in which Warren is Sanders VP is there's no reason in this world for it for either of them. If she doesn't get the big job she goes back to the senate where she'll carry on, same as Sanders. And what's she going to bring to the ticket ideologically? The remaining 15 people who for some reason will only vote for Sanders if he doubles down? There isn't an electoral map that requires that the ticket really, really secure New England. They're both as old as the fucking hills, if Sanders were young like Obama he might take an old VP to bolster the 'experience' issue, but since Sanders is a fossil himself he's going to go with what passes for youth in a presidential candidate. Maybe not Buttegieg young, but someone with a future in the party, who can lead the party after the Sanders presidency.

There is zero reason to put Warren on a Sanders ticket. She becomes less effective than if she'd remained in the Senate, it ends her political career, it does nothing geographically, demographically, or ideologically for the ticket.

That's why.

I very much question the conventional wisdom of winning tickets. How much did Kaine, an even bigger moderate than Clinton, from a key swing state, help her? How did Trump having a right-wing extremist from a state pretty much guaranteed to go for him in 2016 hurt him?

All the traditional rules of American politics are dead.

Pence was there to placate evangelicals that otherwise might be inclined to "stay home"


The issue with Tim Kaine wasnt that the winning ticket idea is bunk, but that Clinton chose fucking Tim Kaine of all people. Who the fuck cared about Tim Kaine? Nobody.

[Post War America]

It may be more accurate however to say his stance on rights of access to firearms has been, generally speaking more conciliatory than most Democrats, and especially most Progressive Democrats.

To be fair, the NRA is a ridiculously toxic organization. It is very clear they're more concerned about securing the profits of firearm manufacturers than they are with the rights of citizens.

[Aureumterra]

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To be fair, the NRA is a ridiculously toxic organization. It is very clear they're more concerned about securing the profits of firearm manufacturers than they are with the rights of citizens.

The quote’s from Bernie Sanders, not the NRA

[Tarsonis]

To be fair, the NRA is a ridiculously toxic organization. It is very clear they're more concerned about securing the profits of firearm manufacturers than they are with the rights of citizens.

Those aren't mutually exclusive ends

[Post War America]

To be fair, the NRA is a ridiculously toxic organization. It is very clear they're more concerned about securing the profits of firearm manufacturers than they are with the rights of citizens.

The quote’s from Bernie Sanders, not the NRA

The quote also seems to be largely angled towards an anti-NRA stance.

[Vassenor]

To be fair, the NRA is a ridiculously toxic organization. It is very clear they're more concerned about securing the profits of firearm manufacturers than they are with the rights of citizens.

The quote’s from Bernie Sanders, not the NRA

So show us the original context, not what the NRA wants you to believe.

[Gormwood]

For all those saying Bernie is pro-gun (not anyone on this forum, but I’ve seen Bernie Bros everywhere claiming he’s pro-gun)

He’s not. End of story

Oh no, Bernie might lose the precious guns vote. He better start going Oprah with the firearms.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The quote’s from Bernie Sanders, not the NRA

So show us the original context, not what the NRA wants you to believe.

That is the original context. Like word for word that's what he said about the topic during the debate. The only thing the picture omits is a line after that says "but the bottom line is that I will not be intimidated by the NRA.", which is hardly a scandalous thing to not include.

[Cisairse]

Only by two delegates, but she beat him by seven points in the popular vote.

Aye, but popular vote doesn't decide the nominee: delegates do, and I suspect neither Warren or Biden will reach the 15% threshold. It's not going to be a good showing for them either way.

Good point. If Bernie and Pete are the only viable candidates in NH, I will be sad.

The people on the bubble really are Yang, Steyer, and Gabbard. Bloomberg put all his chips on Super Tuesday.

Also Mike Bennet.

They're all in it to win it though at some point, you have to recognize whether one can win realistically or not. I think she's starting to see that, and if she does bad in NH, she'll be out. By bad, I should specify that she gets under 15%, she's screwed.

Polls have her in third place both in NH and SC. She'll be in until super Tuesday. If for nothing else, than to take Massachusetts. She wins Mass she can run for governor or something.

I can't imagine she would want to leave the Senate for a dead-end job like that. Cabinet, maybe, but not governor.

The people on the bubble really are Yang, Steyer, and Gabbard. Bloomberg put all his chips on Super Tuesday.

None of them have any real chance. At this point, Yang and Gabbard are running to make a name for themselves, set up future career prospects, and spread their ideas - Gabbard with her opposition to regime change wars and Yang with universal basic income.

I would love to see Sanders make Gabbard his running mate or better yet, make her Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, but I don't expect it. Relentless slander and libel against Gabbard has made her a problematic ally for Sanders. Even though Sanders is a principled man who sees through all the lies about Gabbard, he needs to make pragmatic choices. Warren is a more likely running mate.

Stelter and Bloomberg are going just because they can. Being billionaires, they have inflated egos. I think Steyer knows he's done. Bloomberg might be delusional enough to think he can win but after Super Tuesday he will have to face reality.

No, Gabbard's refusal to support a cause that the vast majority of Democrats believe in has made her a problematic candidate.

[Telconi]

The quote’s from Bernie Sanders, not the NRA

The quote also seems to be largely angled towards an anti-NRA stance.

Stances angled against civil rights organizations are generally hostile to the civil rights the organization supports.

[Telconi]

Hope for the former, prepare for the latter.

How can you sit here and tell me you hope for the former when your views unequivocally entail heading towards the latter? Or am I supposed to believe that arresting Democrats would go smoothly and make everything peaches and sunshine overnight?

-Shrug- arresting Nazis made German politics a lot better. But I forgot, Germany is a one party dictatorship now...

[Cisairse]

This 1000000%. You can measure Bush's presidency by how many Americans he got killed. And I fully believe that the PATRIOT Act is leagues beyond even the worst that Trump has done so far.

Didn’t Trump renew the Patriot Act?

Obama did, through the FREEDOM Act. I do not believe Trump has.

I very much question the conventional wisdom of winning tickets. How much did Kaine, an even bigger moderate than Clinton, from a key swing state, help her? How did Trump having a right-wing extremist from a state pretty much guaranteed to go for him in 2016 hurt him?

All the traditional rules of American politics are dead.

Pence was there to placate evangelicals that otherwise might be inclined to "stay home"


The issue with Tim Kaine wasnt that the winning ticket idea is bunk, but that Clinton chose fucking Tim Kaine of all people. Who the fuck cared about Tim Kaine? Nobody.

Just like every other decision Clinton made, Kaine was the "safe" option.
He had good credentials, a good resume, a good liberal track record, a half-decent (but not exceptional) orator and looked like people imagine a VP should look like.

Clinton's entire strategy was that she would win the election if she didn't make any gaffes. That's where Kaine came from.