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Who do you think will win South Carolina?

Sanders
27
59%
Warren
0
No votes
Biden
18
39%
Buttigieg
0
No votes
Klobuchar
1
2%
Steyer
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 46

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Postby Penguin Union Nation » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:52 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:There's only two possible reasons for this:

•The DNC are idiots
•The DNC is up to something


As the little girl in that old commercial asked, "Por que No Los Dos?"
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:53 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Corrian wrote:There shouldn't even be the concept of party registration, like my state. My states new system you just have to write your party preference. We should be expanding democracy any way we can, not shrinking it.

^ As well as automatic registration at the age of majority.

Does Washington have that yet?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:53 pm

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Shrillland wrote:The poll is updated. That is all.


This is one of the easiest questions I'll ever have to answer :p


CNN: we have breaking news from Iowa now. The caucus results are still unknown
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:54 pm

Penguin Union Nation wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:There's only two possible reasons for this:

•The DNC are idiots
•The DNC is up to something


As the little girl in that old commercial asked, "Por que No Los Dos?"


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Postby Torrocca » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:54 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:I'm assuming Sanders will win New Hampshire since he's been leading in the polls there for about a month. Meanwhile, I'd like it if the Iowa Democratic party could stop delaying releasing the full results already. Currently stuck at 87% after almost two days is kinda ridiculous.


The Bolivian presidential election had far fewer irregularities than this and the US's solution for that was to back a Fascist coup with one of its three-letter acronym organizations.

I wonder how the US'll respond to this obvious crisis of democracy in Iowa.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:54 pm

Albrenia wrote:A bit of a side question although still related to the US election - why doesn't the US have election day as a holiday? People shouldn't have to choose between working or voting.

This also needs to be a thing.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:55 pm

Albrenia wrote:A bit of a side question although still related to the US election - why doesn't the US have election day as a holiday? People shouldn't have to choose between working or voting.


Because it's an antiquated thing and god forbid we break tradition. If it's made a Federal Holiday, Government workers would be the ones getting off (and schools), not the average worker. Thus, I think it should be moved to a Saturday or a Sunday. Of course, Republicans wouldn't like either as that would hurt them at the ballot box I would think; they don't like a lot of voter reforms actually.
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Postby Blargoblarg » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:56 pm

Penguin Union Nation wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:There's only two possible reasons for this:

•The DNC are idiots
•The DNC is up to something


As the little girl in that old commercial asked, "Por que No Los Dos?"

Yes, most likely both.
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:02 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:

And yet people call us crazy conspiracists when we say they're rigging it.


It would mostly be because of the lack of solid evidence beyond "The shitty inefficient Caucus system isn't favoring Bernie as much this time as it did in 2016...it must be a set up!", aka the general continuation of Sanders supporters insisting that flaws and problems that have been a common complaint in elections for years/decades is actually something that the "Establishment" just now invented specifically to stop the Sanders revolution.

The idiocy with the app and the decision to report multiple sets of results has compounded things, but delays and errors and arguments about actual counts has been a feature of Caucuses since...always. Remember when it took the Iowa GOP two weeks to figure out who won the 2012 Caucuses? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Postby Teachian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:03 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:I'm assuming Sanders will win New Hampshire since he's been leading in the polls there for about a month. Meanwhile, I'd like it if the Iowa Democratic party could stop delaying releasing the full results already. Currently stuck at 87% after almost two days is kinda ridiculous.


There's only two possible reasons for this:

•The DNC are idiots
•The DNC is up to something


While I don’t find the latter to be impossible, I do also keep the phrase “never attribute malice to that which can be explained by stupidity” in mind.

Cause boy does it feel like the DNC could use some more brain cells.
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:09 pm

Teachian wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
There's only two possible reasons for this:

•The DNC are idiots
•The DNC is up to something


While I don’t find the latter to be impossible, I do also keep the phrase “never attribute that which can be explained by stupidity” in mind.

Cause boy does it feel like the DNC could use some more brain cells.


This isn't the DNC, it's the Iowa Democratic Party, there is a difference. And the real take away from this is that Iowa's Always First Snowflake status needs to be revoked ASAP.

Because thanks to all the media attention and hype that comes solely from that fact..we now have people insisting that there's obviously some vast conspiracy where the DNC is embracing public humiliation and disarray at the start of the critical campaign to unseat Trump all because they're terrified that if Bernie Sanders gets 15 or 16 of Iowa's whopping 41 delegates instead of 12 or 13, he'll be totally unstoppable!

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:10 pm

The DNC is displaying 2nd world levels of corruption and 3rd world levels of stupidity.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:11 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:The DNC is displaying 2nd world levels of corruption and 3rd world levels of stupidity.

And the Republicans think Donald Trump - Donald freakin' Trump! is a great president. :roll:
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Postby Kruiven » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 pm

Per 538 after changing their model to reflect the Iowa results, giving Buttigieg 85% credit for winning and Sanders 15%

Chance of winning more than half of pledged delegates: Sanders 37%, No one 27%, Biden 21%, Warren 10%, Buttigieg 6%, All others 0.6%

Chance of winning a plurality of pledged delegates: Sanders 47%, Biden 28%, Warren 14%, Buttigieg 9%, All others 2%
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:The DNC is displaying 2nd world levels of corruption and 3rd world levels of stupidity.

And the Republicans think Donald Trump - Donald freakin' Trump! is a great president. :roll:


He's not great, but he's doing alright. Better than Bush and Obama.

Trump hasn't overthrown a government or started a refugee crisis yet.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 pm

Kruiven wrote:Per 538 after changing their model to reflect the Iowa results, giving Buttigieg 85% credit for winning and Sanders 15%

Chance of winning more than half of pledged delegates: Sanders 37%, No one 27%, Biden 21%, Warren 10%, Buttigieg 6%, All others 0.6%

Chance of winning a plurality of pledged delegates: Sanders 47%, Biden 28%, Warren 14%, Buttigieg 9%, All others 2%

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Postby Albrenia » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:The DNC is displaying 2nd world levels of corruption and 3rd world levels of stupidity.

And the Republicans think Donald Trump - Donald freakin' Trump! is a great president. :roll:


US politics makes me feel sorry for you guys, and that's coming from a guy who has Scott Morrison as PM, so I've a pretty low bar to clear to impress me.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:14 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:The DNC is displaying 2nd world levels of corruption and 3rd world levels of stupidity.

And the Republicans think Donald Trump - Donald freakin' Trump! is a great president. :roll:

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:15 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And the Republicans think Donald Trump - Donald freakin' Trump! is a great president. :roll:


US politics makes me feel sorry for you guys, and that's coming from a guy who has Scott Morrison as PM, so I've a pretty low bar to clear to impress me.

Well, you know ... we all go through these things, I guess. Donald Trump shall pass, too. I just hope he doesn't set fire to the country the way Morrison has.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:23 pm

Yo, more results, what did?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:24 pm

Hey, Warren has a county now.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:56 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
This is one of the easiest questions I'll ever have to answer :p


CNN: we have breaking news from Iowa now. The caucus results are still unknown

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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:01 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And the Republicans think Donald Trump - Donald freakin' Trump! is a great president. :roll:


US politics makes me feel sorry for you guys, and that's coming from a guy who has Scott Morrison as PM, so I've a pretty low bar to clear to impress me.

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Postby Gormwood » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:02 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:I'm assuming Sanders will win New Hampshire since he's been leading in the polls there for about a month. Meanwhile, I'd like it if the Iowa Democratic party could stop delaying releasing the full results already. Currently stuck at 87% after almost two days is kinda ridiculous.


Sanders not winning New Hampshire would be a massive upset, he's decidedly the favorite there.

That might be a more credible sign of a conspiracy. Not this Iowa clusterfuck.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:03 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Teachian wrote:
While I don’t find the latter to be impossible, I do also keep the phrase “never attribute that which can be explained by stupidity” in mind.

Cause boy does it feel like the DNC could use some more brain cells.


This isn't the DNC, it's the Iowa Democratic Party, there is a difference. And the real take away from this is that Iowa's Always First Snowflake status needs to be revoked ASAP.

Because thanks to all the media attention and hype that comes solely from that fact..we now have people insisting that there's obviously some vast conspiracy where the DNC is embracing public humiliation and disarray at the start of the critical campaign to unseat Trump all because they're terrified that if Bernie Sanders gets 15 or 16 of Iowa's whopping 41 delegates instead of 12 or 13, he'll be totally unstoppable!

I'll buy Buttigieg rigged it, but not the DNC. He has something obvious to gain, they don't.
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