Kobe Bryant Dead at 41 (1978-2020)

[Asardia]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

A rape we don't even know happened or not. Most rape by its very nature, is hearsay or unprovable and unfalsifiable. Sex someone is dissatisfied with, isn't automatically rape; especially if they agreed to it earlier. It is too private so we don't know. Its his word vs. her word, and any physical evidence. If the physical evidence is poor to nonexistent, there is a weaker case to be had.

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

Excuse me? Somehow, this was taken the conversation from Kobe's death, to rape allegations, and then you followed it up by effectively implying interracial marriage is wrong? First, that does not belong in this thread, and secondly, there is no real reason to be against "miscegenation" in the first place. As a black man whose grandparents lived in an era reminiscent of what you're talking about, I find this absolutely sickening

[Saiwania]

Excuse me? Somehow, this was taken the conversation from Kobe's death, to rape allegations, and then you followed it up by effectively implying interracial marriage is wrong? First, that does not belong in this thread, and secondly, there is no real reason to be against "miscegenation" in the first place. As a black man whose grandparents lived in an era reminiscent of what you're talking about, I find this absolutely sickening

It is my view that can be debated with or left at that. Most here won't understand where I'm coming from, but nonetheless- I have my analysis and perspective. With Kobe Bryant deceased now, people are free to discuss or speculate over all aspects of his life, which can include his children and choice of spouse, whether it was ultimately good or not. Kobe was no doubt very talented at the game, but had flaws like anyone else. More people perhaps don't object, but I do and maybe his family did as well.

[Ameriganastan]

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

[Idzequitch]

Excuse me? Somehow, this was taken the conversation from Kobe's death, to rape allegations, and then you followed it up by effectively implying interracial marriage is wrong? First, that does not belong in this thread, and secondly, there is no real reason to be against "miscegenation" in the first place. As a black man whose grandparents lived in an era reminiscent of what you're talking about, I find this absolutely sickening

It is my view that can be debated with or left at that. Most here won't understand where I'm coming from, but nonetheless- I have my analysis and perspective. With Kobe Bryant deceased now, people are free to discuss or speculate over all aspects of his life, which can include his children and choice of spouse, whether it was ultimately good or not. Kobe was no doubt very talented at the game, but had flaws like anyone else. More people perhaps don't object, but I do and maybe his family did as well.

Pretty sure his choice of spouse is none of our damned business.

[Neanderthaland]

Excuse me? Somehow, this was taken the conversation from Kobe's death, to rape allegations, and then you followed it up by effectively implying interracial marriage is wrong? First, that does not belong in this thread, and secondly, there is no real reason to be against "miscegenation" in the first place. As a black man whose grandparents lived in an era reminiscent of what you're talking about, I find this absolutely sickening

It is my view that can be debated with or left at that. Most here won't understand where I'm coming from, but nonetheless- I have my analysis and perspective. With Kobe Bryant deceased now, people are free to discuss or speculate over all aspects of his life, which can include his children and choice of spouse, whether it was ultimately good or not. Kobe was no doubt very talented at the game, but had flaws like anyone else. More people perhaps don't object, but I do and maybe his family did as well.

Oh we understand where you're coming from. We just despise that cesspool.

[Samudera Darussalam]

It is my view that can be debated with or left at that. Most here won't understand where I'm coming from, but nonetheless- I have my analysis and perspective. With Kobe Bryant deceased now, people are free to discuss or speculate over all aspects of his life, which can include his children and choice of spouse, whether it was ultimately good or not. Kobe was no doubt very talented at the game, but had flaws like anyone else. More people perhaps don't object, but I do and maybe his family did as well.

Pretty sure his choice of spouse is none of our damned business.

This ^

[New haven america]

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

Congratulations, you just had your first interaction with Sai, that's an event that doesn't happen everyday.

How does that make you feel?

[Andsed]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

A rape we don't even know happened or not. Most rape by its very nature, is hearsay or unprovable and unfalsifiable. Sex someone is dissatisfied with, isn't automatically rape; especially if they agreed to it earlier. It is too private so we don't know. Its his word vs. her word, and any physical evidence. If the physical evidence is poor to nonexistent, there is a weaker case to be had.

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

Ah Sai the sheer stupidity and absurdity of your racist nonsense never fail to amuse.

[The Rich Port]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

A rape we don't even know happened or not. Most rape by its very nature, is hearsay or unprovable and unfalsifiable. Sex someone is dissatisfied with, isn't automatically rape; especially if they agreed to it earlier. It is too private so we don't know. Its his word vs. her word, and any physical evidence. If the physical evidence is poor to nonexistent, there is a weaker case to be had.

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

The body is probably still warm.

Keep it classy.

[Ameriganastan]

Congratulations, you just had your first interaction with Sai, that's an event that doesn't happen everyday.

How does that make you feel?

A strange combination of anger, annoyance and pity.

[The Blaatschapen]

Always gotta be that one guy who comes into a celeb death thread and decides to drag up every mistake they ever made...

Hey that means I’m not the most hated person in the thread anymore.

Nope, you still are.

Ethel's remark has at least some merit and is worthy of proper discussion, rather than ridicule

[Ethel mermania]

Unnecessary death is always a sad, but this guy was a rapist. So maybe tone down the "great man" bullcrap?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-brya ... confession

I'm late responding here, but I've seen this enough places that I feel the need to address it.

Look, did Kobe rape someone? It sounds likely that he did. The case was settled out of court, so it's hard to say definitively yes or no. However. That was 17 years ago. I realize time doesn't take the pain away from a victim or take away the awful nature of the act, but time does give a person a time to change and become a better person. Kobe did. I can't think of another similar story that's come out other than just people redredging the 2003 rape story. (Though clearly this isn't the only morally questionable thing he ever did either). And I want to be clear that I'm not at all diminishing the significance of rape. It's a horrendous offense that scars people awfully. But Kobe Bryant was a different man in 2020 than in 2003. He seemed to be a half decent father and husband from all I can tell. He was helping disadvantaged children. The man had influence, and for the past several years he's been pretty damn good at using that influence for good. The world is worse off without him. I'd say that makes him pretty great, even with that ugly spot in his past.

Let's take the whole man instead of just the parts we choose to remember. He was a flawed human being (as we all are) who made a terrible choice. But who also turned himself around and did some pretty damned good things too.

Did Kobe rape someone? , yes he admitted it and apologized for it as part of the settlement. Was he a serial philanderer? Yes, every time his wife got serious new bling, it was to cover his cheating.

Did he do good things too? Yes even his last act seemed to be doing something nice for people, but the guy was no saint and should not be remembered as one.

Was the world a better place because of him? Ask the girl he raped, I will take her opinion over yours.

[Ethel mermania]

Unnecessary death is always a sad, but this guy was a rapist. So maybe tone down the "great man" bullcrap?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-brya ... confession

anyone who says this death is deserved and yeah well you can't water the tree of fucking justice without the blood of the uninvolved (for that is what bringing this up right now amounts to) can fuck right off with that bullshit
this is not some revenge fantasy, this is real life

I didnt say that, but if you want to go lynch folks who say "maybe we shouldn't be celebrating the life of a rapist", that says a hell of a lot more about you than someone who questions this all about kobe"

[Ethel mermania]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

Oh and we're assuming he's guilty of course.

He admitted it. It was part of the civil settlement.

[Satuga]

^

Sadly every adult has their own dirt, especially when you reach such wealth. Honestly no one is a pillar of the free world, because for that we would need Captain America himself. And even then Cap had his own problems too.

[Ethel mermania]

Hey that means I’m not the most hated person in the thread anymore.

Nope, you still are.

Ethel's remark has at least some merit and is worthy of proper discussion, rather than ridicule

Hold my beer.

(shame I did not reply to this one first).

[Tarsonis]

Oh and we're assuming he's guilty of course.

He admitted it. It was part of the civil settlement.

No he didn't admit guilt. He admitted the affair. He apologized per the terms of the settlement, but that doesn't mean anything as he was compelled to do so.

[Ethel mermania]

He admitted it. It was part of the civil settlement.

No he didn't admit guilt. He admitted the affair. He apologized per the terms of the settlement, but that doesn't mean anything as he was compelled to do so.

He was under oath when he consented to made that statement to the court. So you are saying he lied to the court, and that does not mean anything?

[Tarsonis]

No he didn't admit guilt. He admitted the affair. He apologized per the terms of the settlement, but that doesn't mean anything as he was compelled to do so.

He was under oath when he consented to made that statement to the court. So you are saying he lied to the court, and that does not mean anything?

Firstly, wrong. The criminal case was dismissed before he released the statement through his attorney. He wasnt under oath for shit.

Secondly,

Let's read it shall we

"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado.

I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado."


That is the PR apology. The apology where you dont admit guilt, but apologize everybody involved with the case to try and save face.

Based on the evidence of the case, its reasonable to conclude that his accuser was a gold digger, and tried to get money out of a rich man she slept with.

[Ethel mermania]

He was under oath when he consented to made that statement to the court. So you are saying he lied to the court, and that does not mean anything?

Firstly, wrong. The criminal case was dismissed before he released the statement through his attorney. He wasnt under oath for shit.

Secondly,

Let's read it shall we

"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado.

I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado."


That is the PR apology. The apology where you dont admit guilt, but apologize everybody involved with the case to try and save face.

Based on the evidence of the case, its reasonable to conclude that his accuser was a gold digger, and tried to get money out of a rich man she slept with.

A. It was part of the civil court settlement. It's under oath, nothing I said is incorrect.

B. The part above bolded for your convenience is the admission of rape.


If she does not consent to parts of the encounter its rape. If she says vagina only, and he forceably sticks it up her ass, its rape. do you understand that?

[Tarsonis]

Firstly, wrong. The criminal case was dismissed before he released the statement through his attorney. He wasnt under oath for shit.

Secondly,

Let's read it shall we

"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado.

I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado."


That is the PR apology. The apology where you dont admit guilt, but apologize everybody involved with the case to try and save face.

Based on the evidence of the case, its reasonable to conclude that his accuser was a gold digger, and tried to get money out of a rich man she slept with.

A. It was part of the civil court settlement. It's under oath, nothing I said is incorrect.

Except it isn't. It's not sworn testimony. It wasnt even released by him, it was released by his attorney. They could compell him to apologize for killing Kennedy doesnt mean he was standing next to Oswald holding the ammo bag.

B. The part above bolded for your convenience is the admission of rape.

Except it isn't because of the sentence just befor it.

"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, "

Not an admission of guilt.

If she does not consent to parts of the encounter its rape. If she says vagina only, and he forceably sticks it up her ass, its rape. You do understand that?

And you do understand that changing your mind after the fact for material gain does not make it rape? She lied. Accusers do lie, much more than people are ready to admit.

[Ethel mermania]

A. It was part of the civil court settlement. It's under oath, nothing I said is incorrect.

Except it isn't. It's not sworn testimony. It wasnt even released by him, it was released by his attorney. They could compell him to apologize for killing Kennedy doesnt mean he was standing next to Oswald holding the ammo bag.

B. The part above bolded for your convenience is the admission of rape.

Except it isn't because of the sentence just befor it.

"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, "

Not an admission of guilt.

If she does not consent to parts of the encounter its rape. If she says vagina only, and he forceably sticks it up her ass, its rape. You do understand that?

And you do understand that changing your mind after the fact for material gain does not make it rape? She lied. Accusers do lie, much more than people are ready to admit.

So she says "no" and he doesnt understand it, it's not rape?

[Tarsonis]

Except it isn't. It's not sworn testimony. It wasnt even released by him, it was released by his attorney. They could compell him to apologize for killing Kennedy doesnt mean he was standing next to Oswald holding the ammo bag.



Except it isn't because of the sentence just befor it.

"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, "

Not an admission of guilt.



And you do understand that changing your mind after the fact for material gain does not make it rape? She lied. Accusers do lie, much more than people are ready to admit.

So she says "no" and he doesnt understand it, it's not rape?

She didn't say no. She lied. How hard is this to grasp for you? They had consensual sex, and she lied about it for material gain. Kobe's apology is a PR move, not an admission of guilt.

There was no rape, only pillaging of Kobe's wealth.

[Ethel mermania]

So she says "no" and he doesnt understand it, it's not rape?

She didn't say no. She lied. How hard is this to grasp for you? They had consensual sex, and she lied about it for material gain. Kobe's apology is a PR move, not an admission of guilt.

There was no rape, only pillaging of Kobe's wealth.

Hard to grasp for me? In a public statement He admitted to raping her. He paid her 5 million to drop the criminal and settle the civil case. For the sake of arguement, I will concede he has learned and repented.

Again, I do not think this rape is the totality of the man that is Kobe Bryant, but it is there.

[Byzconia]

So she says "no" and he doesnt understand it, it's not rape?

She didn't say no. She lied. How hard is this to grasp for you? They had consensual sex, and she lied about it for material gain. Kobe's apology is a PR move, not an admission of guilt.

There was no rape, only pillaging of Kobe's wealth.

Don't really know which side of this I come down on, but either way she was never countersued for, or charged with, lying so to just straight up call her a 100% liar is equally as ridiculous as just saying that Kobe is a 100% rapist. Due to the way the case ended we will never know 100% what happened.