Kobe Bryant Dead at 41 (1978-2020)

[Farnhamia]

...the 13 year old died tho. Still sad

Agreed, even his death is sad and unnecessary. It's this pillar of the free world stuff I am objecting too

There's always going to be an excess of adulation in cases like this. I do think Kobe became a much better man afterwards, than he was at the time of the rape charges.

[Ethel mermania]

Agreed, even his death is sad and unnecessary. It's this pillar of the free world stuff I am objecting too

There's always going to be an excess of adulation in cases like this. I do think Kobe became a much better man afterwards, than he was at the time of the rape charges.

Well his wife made out pretty well after it, and each of his subsequent affairs.

We tend to go all or nothing with good or evil, and very rarely is that the case. The fellow was providing a thrill ride for girls on the basketball team he coached. That's a lifetime memory he was trying to create for them

[Ameriganastan]

Always gotta be that one guy who comes into a celeb death thread and decides to drag up every mistake they ever made...

[Kargintina the Third]

Always gotta be that one guy who comes into a celeb death thread and decides to drag up every mistake they ever made...

Hey that means I’m not the most hated person in the thread anymore.

[Rojava Free State]

There's always going to be an excess of adulation in cases like this. I do think Kobe became a much better man afterwards, than he was at the time of the rape charges.

Well his wife made out pretty well after it, and each of his subsequent affairs.

We tend to go all or nothing with good or evil, and very rarely is that the case. The fellow was providing a thrill ride for girls on the basketball team he coached. That's a lifetime memory he was trying to create for them

There aren't good or bad people, just people. We all do some good and some bad shit, but those are actions. We're just the vessels for those actions. Kobe was a man who did a lot of good stuff and some not so good stuff

[Ethel mermania]

Always gotta be that one guy who comes into a celeb death thread and decides to drag up every mistake they ever made...

[Ameriganastan]

Always gotta be that one guy who comes into a celeb death thread and decides to drag up every mistake they ever made...

Not funny.

[Gig em Aggies]

what's yalls thought on the petition brought on by fans to change the NBA logo to one of Kobe Bryant

[Andsed]

what's yalls thought on the petition brought on by fans to change the NBA logo to one of Kobe Bryant

That would be a nice way to pay respect to Kobe´s skill on the court.

Also apparently this ¨comedian ¨ Ari Shaffir thought it would be appropriate to post on Twitter him basically rejoicing that Kobe died. Regardless on what you think of Kobe I think we all can agree that celebrating this is fucking scummy.

[Ameriganastan]

what's yalls thought on the petition brought on by fans to change the NBA logo to one of Kobe Bryant

That would be a nice way to pay respect to Kobe´s skill on the court.

Also apparently this ¨comedian ¨ Ari Shaffir thought it would be appropriate to post on Twitter him basically rejoicing that Kobe died. Regardless on what you think of Kobe I think we all can agree that celebrating this is fucking scummy.

Ari Shaffir is one of those deliberately offensive type comics. I don't think he was seriously celebrating, just trying to get a rise out of people.

[Andsed]

That would be a nice way to pay respect to Kobe´s skill on the court.

Also apparently this ¨comedian ¨ Ari Shaffir thought it would be appropriate to post on Twitter him basically rejoicing that Kobe died. Regardless on what you think of Kobe I think we all can agree that celebrating this is fucking scummy.

Ari Shaffir is one of those deliberately offensive type comics. I don't think he was seriously celebrating, just trying to get a rise out of people.

Serious or not it is still quite inappropriate. Like if your going to pull something like this at least wait like a week to give the friends and family some time to process their grief.

[Idzequitch]

Unnecessary death is always a sad, but this guy was a rapist. So maybe tone down the "great man" bullcrap?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-brya ... confession

I'm late responding here, but I've seen this enough places that I feel the need to address it.

Look, did Kobe rape someone? It sounds likely that he did. The case was settled out of court, so it's hard to say definitively yes or no. However. That was 17 years ago. I realize time doesn't take the pain away from a victim or take away the awful nature of the act, but time does give a person a time to change and become a better person. Kobe did. I can't think of another similar story that's come out other than just people redredging the 2003 rape story. (Though clearly this isn't the only morally questionable thing he ever did either). And I want to be clear that I'm not at all diminishing the significance of rape. It's a horrendous offense that scars people awfully. But Kobe Bryant was a different man in 2020 than in 2003. He seemed to be a half decent father and husband from all I can tell. He was helping disadvantaged children. The man had influence, and for the past several years he's been pretty damn good at using that influence for good. The world is worse off without him. I'd say that makes him pretty great, even with that ugly spot in his past.

Let's take the whole man instead of just the parts we choose to remember. He was a flawed human being (as we all are) who made a terrible choice. But who also turned himself around and did some pretty damned good things too.

[The Two Jerseys]

what's yalls thought on the petition brought on by fans to change the NBA logo to one of Kobe Bryant

Can't say I'm a fan. The NBA's position is that the logo is supposed to represent the institution and not an individual player (even though we all know it's Jerry West...), and I'm inclined to agree with that view.

[Auze]

Was that ever proven?

Yes, he settled the case and part of the settlement was an apology.

I don't think that is proof of guilt, more proof of just wanting to let this case go.

Edit: Though it seems pretty likely that he was guilty

[Duhon]

Unnecessary death is always a sad, but this guy was a rapist. So maybe tone down the "great man" bullcrap?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-brya ... confession

anyone who says this death is deserved and yeah well you can't water the tree of fucking justice without the blood of the uninvolved (for that is what bringing this up right now amounts to) can fuck right off with that bullshit
this is not some revenge fantasy, this is real life

[Catburg]

Sad fact....

[Outer Sparta]

Unnecessary death is always a sad, but this guy was a rapist. So maybe tone down the "great man" bullcrap?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-brya ... confession

anyone who says this death is deserved and yeah well you can't water the tree of fucking justice without the blood of the uninvolved (for that is what bringing this up right now amounts to) can fuck right off with that bullshit
this is not some revenge fantasy, this is real life

You can acknowledge the fact that he is both a basketball legend and that he's a rapist. Both are true statements.

[Red Roja]

I am starting to have doubts about whether or not I should feel bad for him now that I have learned of the rape allegations.

[Idzequitch]

I am starting to have doubts about whether or not I should feel bad for him now that I have learned of the rape allegations.

A bad decision made 17 years ago does not mean a person deserves to die a fiery awful death.

[Red Roja]

I am starting to have doubts about whether or not I should feel bad for him now that I have learned of the rape allegations.

A bad decision made 17 years ago does not mean a person deserves to die a fiery awful death.

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

[Tarsonis]

A bad decision made 17 years ago does not mean a person deserves to die a fiery awful death.

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

Oh and we're assuming he's guilty of course.

[Red Roja]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

Oh and we're assuming he's guilty of course.

He confessed.

[Tarsonis]

Oh and we're assuming he's guilty of course.

He confessed.

No he apologized without admitting guilt per a court settlement. He admitted to the affair, but denied the assault allegations.

[Saiwania]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

A rape we don't even know happened or not. Most rape by its very nature, is hearsay or unprovable and unfalsifiable. Sex someone is dissatisfied with, isn't automatically rape; especially if they agreed to it earlier. It is too private so we don't know. Its his word vs. her word, and any physical evidence. If the physical evidence is poor to nonexistent, there is a weaker case to be had.

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

[Tarsonis]

Rapists are absolutely unforgivable in my book. Of course I still feel sad for his daughter and the other people that were in the helicopter, but not Kobe Bryant anymore. He can burn in hell for all I care.

A rape we don't even know happened or not. Most rape by its very nature, is hearsay or unprovable and unfalsifiable. Sex someone is dissatisfied with, isn't automatically rape; especially if they agreed to it earlier. It is too private so we don't know. Its his word vs. her word, and any physical evidence. If the physical evidence is poor to nonexistent, there is a weaker case to be had.

The bad decision I'm concerned more about, is the fact that Kobe Bryant's wife isn't Black like he is. If his children aren't of one race, it can't be good for their future. It is a tragedy if or when miscegenation happens from my standpoint, because it is bad for the single race racial groups by default. But I suspect that his celebrity status contributed to that outcome, along with the fact that this was near Los Angeles where such things are normalized.

Well this has taken a turn.