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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:14 pm

The Corparation wrote:
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Astralsideria wrote:I'm by no means an expert, but it seems to me that, were one to be stabbed, but not killed outright, one might stumble around for a while, and, when one eventually fell, one would land in such a way that one's wound (assuming it was in the front of the body) would be obscured from view without rolling the body over. As such, as has been said previously, it might seem to a passer-by that one was not dying but rather sleeping. Were this to be the case, a person could very easily be forgiven for not wanting to awaken a homeless person, as doing so could have dire consequences for one's health and well-being, if that homeless person had not had much sleep for days, and this was their first sleep for a very long time.

Except that isn't the case. I saw the video he fell down immediately upon being stabbed. People rolled him over and took pictures of him then walked on. It was almost 10 hours before someone gave a shit to call the Police to come scoop his dead corpse off the sidewalk.

Why would you watch video of someone being killed?

It was on the news so it wasn't like I sought it out in the first place.
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Postby Call to power » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:19 pm

The Corparation wrote:Why would you watch video of someone being killed?


to jack off/actually find out what happened
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Postby Georgism » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:26 pm

I want to say 'only in America'. Sadly I don't think this is the case.
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Postby Self--Esteem » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:27 pm

Those people really aren't better than murderers. That's the one thing where help is not just voluntary.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:03 pm

Call to power wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Why would you watch video of someone being killed?


to jack off/actually find out what happened

Morbid curiosity used to get the better of me then Al Jazeera cured me of it completely. :(
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:04 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
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Astralsideria wrote:I'm by no means an expert, but it seems to me that, were one to be stabbed, but not killed outright, one might stumble around for a while, and, when one eventually fell, one would land in such a way that one's wound (assuming it was in the front of the body) would be obscured from view without rolling the body over. As such, as has been said previously, it might seem to a passer-by that one was not dying but rather sleeping. Were this to be the case, a person could very easily be forgiven for not wanting to awaken a homeless person, as doing so could have dire consequences for one's health and well-being, if that homeless person had not had much sleep for days, and this was their first sleep for a very long time.

Except that isn't the case. I saw the video he fell down immediately upon being stabbed. People rolled him over and took pictures of him then walked on. It was almost 10 hours before someone gave a shit to call the Police to come scoop his dead corpse off the sidewalk.

Why would you watch video of someone being killed?

It was on the news so it wasn't like I sought it out in the first place.

The news where I live never shows anyone actualy being killed they always cut that bit out.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:06 pm

The Corparation wrote:
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Astralsideria wrote:I'm by no means an expert, but it seems to me that, were one to be stabbed, but not killed outright, one might stumble around for a while, and, when one eventually fell, one would land in such a way that one's wound (assuming it was in the front of the body) would be obscured from view without rolling the body over. As such, as has been said previously, it might seem to a passer-by that one was not dying but rather sleeping. Were this to be the case, a person could very easily be forgiven for not wanting to awaken a homeless person, as doing so could have dire consequences for one's health and well-being, if that homeless person had not had much sleep for days, and this was their first sleep for a very long time.

Except that isn't the case. I saw the video he fell down immediately upon being stabbed. People rolled him over and took pictures of him then walked on. It was almost 10 hours before someone gave a shit to call the Police to come scoop his dead corpse off the sidewalk.

Why would you watch video of someone being killed?

It was on the news so it wasn't like I sought it out in the first place.

The news where I live never shows anyone actualy being killed they always cut that bit out.

It was on Dateline NBC.
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Postby The Celestial Union » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:01 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Call to power wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Why would you watch video of someone being killed?


to jack off/actually find out what happened

Morbid curiosity used to get the better of me then Al Jazeera cured me of it completely. :(


They've been known to live up to the old saying
'If it bleeds, it leads.' :p

Human behavior has taken a turn for the worse since the Kitty Genovese murder. No one helped or reported it but no one went out and took pictures with her body afterwards either.
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Postby Klosovia » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:05 pm

It's so sad that our evolution in society and care for one another is bad enough that people will shrug it off and walk by. Someone even took a picture on their cameraphone.

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Postby 2nd PLT » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:14 pm

Klosovia wrote:It's so sad that our evolution in society and care for one another is bad enough that people will shrug it off and walk by. Someone even took a picture on their cameraphone.

Congrats on your first post!

This is sickening.
You know how painful that would be?
It would have been more merciful to just end his life with one quick blow.

I've lost my faith in humanity a long time ago, now I barely regard myself as human (Don't wish to be connected to the scum that left him there to die).
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Postby Natapoc » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:43 pm

Flameswroth wrote:
man in New York City who was stabbed after coming to a woman's aid was left to die while passers-by ignored him, CCTV footage has shown.

How barbaric! I am completely appalled that we've reached a point wh-...wait...
homeless...from Guatemala

Oh, nevermind. No big deal.


So sad :( What barbaric evil people. Where is the compassion? This homeless man from Guatemala was better then ANY of the people who saw what happened and did nothing.

If humanity has any future at all it is in people like this homeless man from Guatemala. Everyone else is a parasite.
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Postby Flameswroth » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:45 pm

Natapoc wrote:If humanity has any future at all it is in people like this homeless man from Guatemala.

Not if they keep getting themselves shivved on the streets.
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:45 pm

Got a link?

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:46 pm

Hydesland wrote:Got a link?

To the video or an article?
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:49 pm

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Hydesland wrote:Got a link?

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Don't worry found a video. It's hard to tell from that vid, I didn't actually see any blood. Maybe the pedestrians that come later thought he was sleeping?

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:54 pm

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Hydesland wrote:Got a link?

To the video or an article?


Don't worry found a video. It's hard to tell from that vid, I didn't actually see any blood. Maybe the pedestrians that come later thought he was sleeping?

Except for the guy who rolls him over to check on him then rolls him back. Then the guy taking photos of him kind of hard to dismiss that as sleeping ignoring the lady who didn't help the guy who helped her.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:58 pm

Evidently, the woman he rescued was as much of an asshole as the attacker, which calls into question whether or not crime is as bad of a profession as it seems.
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:58 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:Then the guy taking photos of him


Yeah that's pretty fucked up, probably some dumb frat boy. Although I thought the guy that took pics and the guy that rolled him over was the same guy? Maybe I need to see the vid again.

kind of hard to dismiss that as sleeping ignoring the lady who didn't help the guy who helped her.


Possibly anxiety/fear overwhelming her. This isn't actually unusual, unlike in the movie, when humans see something very distressing like a dead body, they often act in an escapist manner, actively trying to reject the thought from their brain and/or general nervous shock can make people behave strangely. This doesn't inherently indicate lack of compassion in all cases.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:11 pm

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Postby Skibereen » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:20 pm

What the fuck is wrong with people.
I dont like most human beings as a general rule, and I have met very few I dont really want to hit in the old dickgobbler, but the guy wasnt begging for change he was bleeding all over the ground.

As much of a dick as i am I couldnt ignore that, and it isnt like all those people who left him to die didnt have cell phones--you dont even have to touch him if your that much of an asshole.
And if by the grace of God you are willing to lay your hands on him, a little pressure might have saved his life.
They should take that tape zoom in on all the faces of the passers and put those people on blast for the like the next few months
"Need Help--Dont count on these assholes. They let the guy who wouldve helped you bleed to death in the street like a cur dog."

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with people.
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Postby Self--Esteem » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:23 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Evidently, the woman he rescued was as much of an asshole as the attacker, which calls into question whether or not crime is as bad of a profession as it seems.


Agreed. Why did she not help him? That is all rather strange.

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Postby Skibereen » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:23 pm

Hayteria wrote:I already saw part of a video about this story...

... question is, how would the people leaving him to die know he helped the woman who was being attacked? Not saying that makes leaving him to die ok, but I would think that it's a little more normal to leave a homeless person to die than to leave someone who just helped someone else to die...

WHAT!
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:24 pm

in b4 people lose faith in h...

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in after people lose faith in humans

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:24 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:Agreed. Why did she not help him? That is all rather strange.


Probably because she didn't want the hassle.
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Postby Alexlantis » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:25 pm

My Pastor used this guy as an example of a Good Samaritan and how he was a Good Samaritan to the woman, but sadly no one was a Good Samaritan to him. Humans are just messed up...
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