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Postby Picklepoo » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:19 pm

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The Romulan Republic wrote:All it takes to help is a 911 call. You don't have to come within ten feet of him.

Anyone who did not try to do that at least is guilty of a grossly immoral act.

How did they know he was dying or wounded, rather than merely sleeping without close examination?

He would be bleeding....
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:19 pm

Picklepoo wrote:He would be bleeding....

Without close examination, how obvious would that blood be, hmm?
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:22 pm

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Robarya wrote:Sad story, but it is possible that none or few of the by-passers noticed that he was fatally wounded. I for one would admittedly not help an injured homeless man, knowing they are often potentially dangerous junkies and may be infected with various diseases, but I would certainly say that this one would have been worth saving, given his virtue.


All it takes to help is a 911 call. You don't have to come within ten feet of him.

Anyone who did not try to do that at least is guilty of a grossly immoral act.

Usualy if you call 911 the operator wants you to be there untill the fire/ambulanc/cops show up.
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Postby Kukukachoo Waka-Waka » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:27 pm

The Corparation wrote:
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Astralsideria wrote:I'm by no means an expert, but it seems to me that, were one to be stabbed, but not killed outright, one might stumble around for a while, and, when one eventually fell, one would land in such a way that one's wound (assuming it was in the front of the body) would be obscured from view without rolling the body over. As such, as has been said previously, it might seem to a passer-by that one was not dying but rather sleeping. Were this to be the case, a person could very easily be forgiven for not wanting to awaken a homeless person, as doing so could have dire consequences for one's health and well-being, if that homeless person had not had much sleep for days, and this was their first sleep for a very long time.

Except that isn't the case. I saw the video he fell down immediately upon being stabbed. People rolled him over and took pictures of him then walked on. It was almost 10 hours before someone gave a shit to call the Police to come scoop his dead corpse off the sidewalk.

Why would you watch video of someone being killed?
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Postby Picklepoo » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:30 pm

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Picklepoo wrote:He would be bleeding....

Without close examination, how obvious would that blood be, hmm?

Well, considering he was stabbed multiple times the blood would be pooling around him.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:32 pm

Picklepoo wrote:Well, considering he was stabbed multiple times the blood would be pooling around him.

Not necessarily. It could have easily soaked into his clothes.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:38 pm

Maybe. It becomes a lot more excusable if those people didn't know he was hurt.

I suspect (though I admit I cannot be sure) that anyone who took photos knew, though. Why else would they stop to take photos of him, in particular? If they just wanted to photograph a homeless man, well, there are a lot of those aren't there?
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Postby The blessed Chris » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:40 pm

Awful, but hardly surprising I'd imagine.

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Postby Allrule » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:47 pm

What, were you expecting humans, who are generally selfish bastards, to care about somebody else?
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Picklepoo wrote:Well, considering he was stabbed multiple times the blood would be pooling around him.

Not necessarily. It could have easily soaked into his clothes.

Uh no not if he bled out which he did.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:52 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:Uh no not if he bled out which he did.

You expect it to be obvious, in the dark, from a distance?
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:54 pm

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Panzerjaeger wrote:Uh no not if he bled out which he did.

You expect it to be obvious, in the dark, from a distance?

Uhh he was there till daytime and people got up close rolled him over and even took pictures. So what is your defense?
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:55 pm

Hoyteca wrote:You actually had faith in humanity? The only thing about this story that surprised me is that someone found such apathy newsworthy. Face it. People are selfish. The only way to get strangers to care about you is to be rich and/or famous.

This, ^^^

And then only it is because said strangers want to be like those people...Sure, if it was just the one person and the dying man, they'd try to do something about it...but, when there are large groups of people, it's always someone else's problem...

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:58 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:Uhh he was there till daytime and people got up close rolled him over and even took pictures. So what is your defense?

Until daytime being the operative words there.

And that they simply thought it was someone else's problem. They also might not have thought the wound was fatal.
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Postby Urgolon » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:03 pm

Austria-russia wrote:no one deserves to die not even Hitler

Yeah, Hitler deserves to be tortured for the rest of his life.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:Uhh he was there till daytime and people got up close rolled him over and even took pictures. So what is your defense?

Until daytime being the operative words there.

And that they simply thought it was someone else's problem. They also might not have thought the wound was fatal.

Uh huh so calling the police is no longer the responsibility of the public? Remind me not to depend on you if I get stabbed. :roll:
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:18 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:Uh huh so calling the police is no longer the responsibility of the public? Remind me not to depend on you if I get stabbed. :roll:

They thought /=/ They were not obligated to.

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Postby Hoyteca » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:22 pm

Urgolon wrote:
Austria-russia wrote:no one deserves to die not even Hitler

Yeah, Hitler deserves to be tortured for the rest of his life.

Politely tortured. You don't want to be rude when you're torturing somebody.

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Postby Mendeleevia » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:23 pm

They also might not have thought the wound was fatal.


Which of course makes it alright, I suppose? Given, this IS New York we're talking about here, world renowned for it's compassionate and selfless populace.
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Postby Natapoc » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:27 pm

Mendeleevia wrote:
They also might not have thought the wound was fatal.


Which of course makes it alright, I suppose? Given, this IS New York we're talking about here, world renowned for it's compassionate and selfless populace.


Additionally, If they did not believe the wound was fatal this is even MORE reason to get him emergency help. A non fatal wound will quickly develop into a fatal one if untreated.

there is NO excuse for this behavior. Although this behavior is a symptom of the type of society we live in that glorifies selfishness.
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Postby JuNii » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:28 pm

Hoyteca wrote:
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Austria-russia wrote:no one deserves to die not even Hitler

Yeah, Hitler deserves to be tortured for the rest of his life.

Politely tortured. You don't want to be rude when you're torturing somebody.

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Postby Robarya » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:29 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:All it takes to help is a 911 call. You don't have to come within ten feet of him.

Anyone who did not try to do that at least is guilty of a grossly immoral act.


Paranoid as I am when it comes to law enforcement, I would not even request help from them if my own life was in jeopardy, much less that of a stranger. I would only be open to request help from law enforcement if it was necessary to guarantee the safety of a family member of mine.
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Postby Natapoc » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:32 pm

Robarya wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:All it takes to help is a 911 call. You don't have to come within ten feet of him.

Anyone who did not try to do that at least is guilty of a grossly immoral act.


Paranoid as I am when it comes to law enforcement, I would not even request help from them if my own life was in jeopardy, much less that of a stranger. I would only be open to request help from law enforcement if it was necessary to guarantee the safety of a family member of mine.


Just request the ambulance. Don't tell them that there was violence involved. Paramedics don't tend to kill or electrocute crime victims.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:57 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Robarya wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:All it takes to help is a 911 call. You don't have to come within ten feet of him.

Anyone who did not try to do that at least is guilty of a grossly immoral act.


Paranoid as I am when it comes to law enforcement, I would not even request help from them if my own life was in jeopardy, much less that of a stranger. I would only be open to request help from law enforcement if it was necessary to guarantee the safety of a family member of mine.


Just request the ambulance. Don't tell them that there was violence involved. Paramedics don't tend to kill or electrocute crime victims.

yes they do, they always say "Clear" just before they electrocute em.
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Postby 2nd PLT » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:17 pm

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New Nicksyllvania wrote:And Hitler tried to stop people from smoking.

One good deed does not absolve someone.


And that's not a good deed. And it's fucking Godwin. Christ.


Just pointing out that a single good deed is by no means a good measure of a humans worth.

For all we know the homeless bloke might have known the guy and decided to tackle him so he can steal his crack.

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