UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Looks like my city is going to have to go back into lockdown.

You are in Leicester?

Yes. Not sure what a local lockdown will look like.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You are in Leicester?

Yes. Not sure what a local lockdown will look like.

tyranny

[Agarntrop]

Yes. Not sure what a local lockdown will look like.

tyranny

Stopping people from spreading the virus and therefore preventing deaths is tyranny but taking over women's bodies isn't, apparently

[Greater vakolicci haven]

tyranny

Stopping people from spreading the virus and therefore preventing deaths is tyranny but taking over women's bodies isn't, apparently

The unborn are tyrants? That's a hot take.

There is no need to prevent every death and we shouldn't be sacrificing freedoms to do it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yes. Not sure what a local lockdown will look like.

tyranny

You have never experienced Tyranny lmao

You have no clue what it looks like.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

tyranny

You have never experienced Tyranny lmao

You have no clue what it looks like.

Go for it. What does it look like?

[The Huskar Social Union]

You have never experienced Tyranny lmao

You have no clue what it looks like.

Go for it. What does it look like?

Oh you know, something like in Hong Kong for example? Somewhere with an actual attempt at suppressing opinions and freedoms with a violent crackdown on people at the hands of an authoritarian government?


A lockdown to prevent more people from dying in a fucking pandemic is not Tyranny, especially when from the looks of it a second wave is about to hit europe and the British government have done a shit job at coping with the first wave.

[The Huskar Social Union]

If someone told you you couldnt walk down the sidewalk because of construction work you would cry Tyranny.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Go for it. What does it look like?

Oh you know, something like in Hong Kong for example? Somewhere with an actual attempt at suppressing opinions and freedoms with a violent crackdown on people at the hands of an authoritarian government?


A lockdown to prevent more people from dying in a fucking pandemic is not Tyranny, especially when from the looks of it a second wave is about to hit europe and the British government have done a shit job at coping with the first wave.

So freedom of movement is not being suppressed? The government isn't pressuring companies to remove covid-19 conspiracy theories? Freedom of assembly (except, of course, the assembly they like) hasn't been abolished? People are not losing their livelyhoods as they can't run their businesses due to draconian rules? This looks a lot like tyranny to me.
Having the population be as free as is physically possible should be the end goal for any society, and when we rush to kneejerk reactions just because a few more people might die if we don't we hurt our progress towards that.

[Andsed]

Yes. Not sure what a local lockdown will look like.

tyranny

Nah. Taking sensible actions to prevent a crisis is not tyranny. The lockdown will end once the pandemic is over and these freedoms will be restored. And once that happens you will see just how stupid it is to complain about temporary restrictions like this.

[Andsed]

Oh you know, something like in Hong Kong for example? Somewhere with an actual attempt at suppressing opinions and freedoms with a violent crackdown on people at the hands of an authoritarian government?


A lockdown to prevent more people from dying in a fucking pandemic is not Tyranny, especially when from the looks of it a second wave is about to hit europe and the British government have done a shit job at coping with the first wave.

So freedom of movement is not being suppressed? The government isn't pressuring companies to remove covid-19 conspiracy theories? Freedom of assembly (except, of course, the assembly they like) hasn't been abolished? People are not losing their livelyhoods as they can't run their businesses due to draconian rules? This looks a lot like tyranny to me.
Having the population be as free as is physically possible should be the end goal for any society, and when we rush to kneejerk reactions just because a few more people might die if we don't we hurt our progress towards that.

Then you have no clue what tyranny looks like. This would tyranny if the pandemic was not a real crisis. But it is one. And to claim taking action to deal with it is tyranny is just dumb and shows a lack of understanding about what tyranny is.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh you know, something like in Hong Kong for example? Somewhere with an actual attempt at suppressing opinions and freedoms with a violent crackdown on people at the hands of an authoritarian government?


A lockdown to prevent more people from dying in a fucking pandemic is not Tyranny, especially when from the looks of it a second wave is about to hit europe and the British government have done a shit job at coping with the first wave.

So freedom of movement is not being suppressed?

Nope because essential movement is still allowed, to go to work, to get groceries, medicine and everything else that people need in order to live. And if you have not paid attention over the months those rules have been relaxed, allowing people to go out and exercise and congregate in small groups. So no its not being suppressed, it was still there, there were guidelines in place to stop people from spreading the pandemic and getting more people killed through transmission.

The government isn't pressuring companies to remove covid-19 conspiracy theories?

...and what the fuck is wrong with getting companies to take down literal fake news and conspiracy theories about a pandemic, that only serve to get more people killed and sick through lies, maliciousness and stupidity? What you think we should let all the Karens on facebook rant about how Masks are suffocating you and preventing you from getting Gods Air(TM) and its all a sin so do whatever the fuck you want with no concern?

Freedom of assembly (except, of course, the assembly they like) hasn't been abolished?

No because Freedom of Assembly is still in place, you can meet up with smaller groups of people, and the amount of people allowed to meet up has been increased as time has went on. You seriously think that precautions to stop the transmission of a virus to prevent more people from dying is the same as actively suppressing a group of peoples right to assemble because of political representation or to suppress human rights? Course you do, because you are talking out your hole.

People are not losing their livelyhoods as they can't run their businesses due to draconian rules? This looks a lot like tyranny to me.

More people would lose their livelihoods if no precautions were taken. Because you wana know what would happen if no precautions were taken? The death toll would skyrocket, the NHS would be overwhelmed and not be able to cope with the pandemic in any capacity. The economy would begin to collapse and a lot of fucking people would die. Now see if some people have to lose their jobs to save tens of thousands of others from dying, so be it, as bad as it is. But at the end of the day these are not "Draconian laws" these are sensible precautions and steps necessary to prevent the complete fucking collapse of society and tonnes of deaths.

Also a lot of the people losing their jobs is down to corporations or companies axing them because they dont want to pay their wages which they could easily afford, such as Wetherspoons who refused to pay thousands of staff? Which they could have easily afforded?

Having the population be as free as is physically possible should be the end goal for any society, and when we rush to kneejerk reactions just because a few more people might die if we don't we hurt our progress towards that.

Biggest sinlge piece of bullshit in this whole bullshit post by you right here. You dont give a toss about any of this in the slightest. You are mad because you were inconvenienced and had to take other people into account. You dont give a damn about anyone other than yourself (which everyone here knows by the way because of your long history of posting absolute detached bollocks on every topic on this forum)

You are mad other people came before you, thats it. You dont give a damn about freedom or security, or prosperity or the end goal of society, its all "I wana do what i wanna do, fuck everyone else" and thats the root of the issue. "Few people might die"? No mate millions would die but you dont care because its not you, so you call sensible precautions to stave off the death of millions as Tyranny because you live an entitled life free of any actual problems and had to finally put someone before yourself.

Taking action to save lives is not Tyranny, you have no clue what you are talking about, but thats the norm for you anyway.

[The Huskar Social Union]

People literally being murdered for daring to exist and for wanting freedom and equal rights all around the world and facing actual persecution and Tyranny.

GVH: "Buy guys im also oppressed, i also suffer Tyranny, because they told me to stay in doors and my social life was inconvenienced for a few months in an attempt to try and stop the spread of a fucking virus. Trust me, i know what Tyranny looks like"

[Andsed]

People literally being murdered for daring to exist and for wanting freedom and equal rights all around the world and facing actual persecution and Tyranny.

GVH: "Buy guys im also oppressed, i also suffer Tyranny, because they told me to stay in doors and my social life was inconvenienced for a few months in an attempt to try and stop the spread of a fucking virus. Trust me, i know what Tyranny looks like"

¨an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act¨ is one of the definition used by Merriam Webster for tyranny. The lockdown is not this. It is a sensible and just act to deal with a very real crisis. Calling it tyranny is an insult to those who have actually lived under tyrannical governments.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So freedom of movement is not being suppressed?

Nope because essential movement is still allowed, to go to work, to get groceries, medicine and everything else that people need in order to live. And if you have not paid attention over the months those rules have been relaxed, allowing people to go out and exercise and congregate in small groups. So no its not being suppressed, it was still there, there were guidelines in place to stop people from spreading the pandemic and getting more people killed through transmission.

The government isn't pressuring companies to remove covid-19 conspiracy theories?

...and what the fuck is wrong with getting companies to take down literal fake news and conspiracy theories about a pandemic, that only serve to get more people killed and sick through lies, maliciousness and stupidity? What you think we should let all the Karens on facebook rant about how Masks are suffocating you and preventing you from getting Gods Air(TM) and its all a sin so do whatever the fuck you want with no concern?

Freedom of assembly (except, of course, the assembly they like) hasn't been abolished?

No because Freedom of Assembly is still in place, you can meet up with smaller groups of people, and the amount of people allowed to meet up has been increased as time has went on. You seriously think that precautions to stop the transmission of a virus to prevent more people from dying is the same as actively suppressing a group of peoples right to assemble because of political representation or to suppress human rights? Course you do, because you are talking out your hole.

People are not losing their livelyhoods as they can't run their businesses due to draconian rules? This looks a lot like tyranny to me.

More people would lose their livelihoods if no precautions were taken. Because you wana know what would happen if no precautions were taken? The death toll would skyrocket, the NHS would be overwhelmed and not be able to cope with the pandemic in any capacity. The economy would begin to collapse and a lot of fucking people would die. Now see if some people have to lose their jobs to save tens of thousands of others from dying, so be it, as bad as it is. But at the end of the day these are not "Draconian laws" these are sensible precautions and steps necessary to prevent the complete fucking collapse of society and tonnes of deaths.

Also a lot of the people losing their jobs is down to corporations or companies axing them because they dont want to pay their wages which they could easily afford, such as Wetherspoons who refused to pay thousands of staff? Which they could have easily afforded?

Having the population be as free as is physically possible should be the end goal for any society, and when we rush to kneejerk reactions just because a few more people might die if we don't we hurt our progress towards that.

Biggest sinlge piece of bullshit in this whole bullshit post by you right here. You dont give a toss about any of this in the slightest. You are mad because you were inconvenienced and had to take other people into account. You dont give a damn about anyone other than yourself (which everyone here knows by the way because of your long history of posting absolute detached bollocks on every topic on this forum)

You are mad other people came before you, thats it. You dont give a damn about freedom or security, or prosperity or the end goal of society, its all "I wana do what i wanna do, fuck everyone else" and thats the root of the issue. "Few people might die"? No mate millions would die but you dont care because its not you, so you call sensible precautions to stave off the death of millions as Tyranny because you live an entitled life free of any actual problems and had to finally put someone before yourself.

Taking action to save lives is not Tyranny, you have no clue what you are talking about, but thats the norm for you anyway.

I don't see why saving as many lives as possible, which is a truly ridiculous aim, should take priority over allowing for the maximum levels of freedom possible. If we had gone for herd immunity, it was estimated that 250k people would die, which made the government shit themselves and decide that actually we're not a free country after all; even though the majority of the people who died would have been elderly or at deaths door anyway.

[Andsed]

Nope because essential movement is still allowed, to go to work, to get groceries, medicine and everything else that people need in order to live. And if you have not paid attention over the months those rules have been relaxed, allowing people to go out and exercise and congregate in small groups. So no its not being suppressed, it was still there, there were guidelines in place to stop people from spreading the pandemic and getting more people killed through transmission.

...and what the fuck is wrong with getting companies to take down literal fake news and conspiracy theories about a pandemic, that only serve to get more people killed and sick through lies, maliciousness and stupidity? What you think we should let all the Karens on facebook rant about how Masks are suffocating you and preventing you from getting Gods Air(TM) and its all a sin so do whatever the fuck you want with no concern?


No because Freedom of Assembly is still in place, you can meet up with smaller groups of people, and the amount of people allowed to meet up has been increased as time has went on. You seriously think that precautions to stop the transmission of a virus to prevent more people from dying is the same as actively suppressing a group of peoples right to assemble because of political representation or to suppress human rights? Course you do, because you are talking out your hole.

More people would lose their livelihoods if no precautions were taken. Because you wana know what would happen if no precautions were taken? The death toll would skyrocket, the NHS would be overwhelmed and not be able to cope with the pandemic in any capacity. The economy would begin to collapse and a lot of fucking people would die. Now see if some people have to lose their jobs to save tens of thousands of others from dying, so be it, as bad as it is. But at the end of the day these are not "Draconian laws" these are sensible precautions and steps necessary to prevent the complete fucking collapse of society and tonnes of deaths.

Also a lot of the people losing their jobs is down to corporations or companies axing them because they dont want to pay their wages which they could easily afford, such as Wetherspoons who refused to pay thousands of staff? Which they could have easily afforded?
Biggest sinlge piece of bullshit in this whole bullshit post by you right here. You dont give a toss about any of this in the slightest. You are mad because you were inconvenienced and had to take other people into account. You dont give a damn about anyone other than yourself (which everyone here knows by the way because of your long history of posting absolute detached bollocks on every topic on this forum)

You are mad other people came before you, thats it. You dont give a damn about freedom or security, or prosperity or the end goal of society, its all "I wana do what i wanna do, fuck everyone else" and thats the root of the issue. "Few people might die"? No mate millions would die but you dont care because its not you, so you call sensible precautions to stave off the death of millions as Tyranny because you live an entitled life free of any actual problems and had to finally put someone before yourself.

Taking action to save lives is not Tyranny, you have no clue what you are talking about, but thats the norm for you anyway.

I don't see why saving as many lives as possible, which is a truly ridiculous aim, should take priority over allowing for the maximum levels of freedom possible. If we had gone for herd immunity, it was estimated that 250k people would die, which made the government shit themselves and decide that actually we're not a free country after all; even though the majority of the people who died would have been elderly or at deaths door anyway.

Because freedoms can be restored, a human life cannot. Sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people just so you can have ¨a free country¨ is far more immoral than a lockdown. This is not tyranny. The fact you think it is shows how little you understand about what it actually is.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The fact that the woke revolution eats its own children is secondary to the fact that it is a social bad.

The focus on microaggresions is very damaging because it loses a sense of perspective. People become less resilient and social integration becomes more difficult as everyone is brittle and on edge. People are unwilling to leave unchallenged people's narratives and fantasies of the world and instead demand that only their story is to be told. If every small perceived slight places you in the position of victim and other people in turn feel slighted by out of proportion responses then everything takes on an air of must-be-addressed emergency, which in turn means that more fundamentally destructive iniquities get less attention.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Nope because essential movement is still allowed, to go to work, to get groceries, medicine and everything else that people need in order to live. And if you have not paid attention over the months those rules have been relaxed, allowing people to go out and exercise and congregate in small groups. So no its not being suppressed, it was still there, there were guidelines in place to stop people from spreading the pandemic and getting more people killed through transmission.

...and what the fuck is wrong with getting companies to take down literal fake news and conspiracy theories about a pandemic, that only serve to get more people killed and sick through lies, maliciousness and stupidity? What you think we should let all the Karens on facebook rant about how Masks are suffocating you and preventing you from getting Gods Air(TM) and its all a sin so do whatever the fuck you want with no concern?


No because Freedom of Assembly is still in place, you can meet up with smaller groups of people, and the amount of people allowed to meet up has been increased as time has went on. You seriously think that precautions to stop the transmission of a virus to prevent more people from dying is the same as actively suppressing a group of peoples right to assemble because of political representation or to suppress human rights? Course you do, because you are talking out your hole.

More people would lose their livelihoods if no precautions were taken. Because you wana know what would happen if no precautions were taken? The death toll would skyrocket, the NHS would be overwhelmed and not be able to cope with the pandemic in any capacity. The economy would begin to collapse and a lot of fucking people would die. Now see if some people have to lose their jobs to save tens of thousands of others from dying, so be it, as bad as it is. But at the end of the day these are not "Draconian laws" these are sensible precautions and steps necessary to prevent the complete fucking collapse of society and tonnes of deaths.

Also a lot of the people losing their jobs is down to corporations or companies axing them because they dont want to pay their wages which they could easily afford, such as Wetherspoons who refused to pay thousands of staff? Which they could have easily afforded?
Biggest sinlge piece of bullshit in this whole bullshit post by you right here. You dont give a toss about any of this in the slightest. You are mad because you were inconvenienced and had to take other people into account. You dont give a damn about anyone other than yourself (which everyone here knows by the way because of your long history of posting absolute detached bollocks on every topic on this forum)

You are mad other people came before you, thats it. You dont give a damn about freedom or security, or prosperity or the end goal of society, its all "I wana do what i wanna do, fuck everyone else" and thats the root of the issue. "Few people might die"? No mate millions would die but you dont care because its not you, so you call sensible precautions to stave off the death of millions as Tyranny because you live an entitled life free of any actual problems and had to finally put someone before yourself.

Taking action to save lives is not Tyranny, you have no clue what you are talking about, but thats the norm for you anyway.

I don't see why saving as many lives as possible, which is a truly ridiculous aim, should take priority over allowing for the maximum levels of freedom possible.

Course you dont.

If we had gone for herd immunity, it was estimated that 250k people would die, which made the government shit themselves and decide that actually we're not a free country after all

Herd immunity was a stupid idea and 250k people dying when you can take steps to prevent that is not acceptable. And yes the UK is a free country, taking sensible steps to prevent deaths is not taking away freedom, but its easy to see why you dont understand that when you had to be slightly inconvenienced for a short period of your life.

even though the majority of the people who died would have been elderly or at deaths door anyway.

Or suffer from pre existing conditions which weaken their immune system making them more susceptible to infection and thus death. Like my mother, or my father for a period after having his heart attack, or my sister and one of my nieces.

Your utter callousness is demonstrated once again and just shows how pathetically out of touch and self centred you really are.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't see why saving as many lives as possible, which is a truly ridiculous aim, should take priority over allowing for the maximum levels of freedom possible. If we had gone for herd immunity, it was estimated that 250k people would die, which made the government shit themselves and decide that actually we're not a free country after all; even though the majority of the people who died would have been elderly or at deaths door anyway.

Because freedoms can be restored, a human life cannot. Sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people just so you can have ¨a free country¨ is far more immoral than a lockdown. This is not tyranny. The fact you think it is shows how little you understand about what it actually is.

I just put very little value on human life I guess. What I don't understand is why most people don't share that view.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't see why saving as many lives as possible, which is a truly ridiculous aim, should take priority over allowing for the maximum levels of freedom possible.

Course you dont.

If we had gone for herd immunity, it was estimated that 250k people would die, which made the government shit themselves and decide that actually we're not a free country after all

Herd immunity was a stupid idea and 250k people dying when you can take steps to prevent that is not acceptable. And yes the UK is a free country, taking sensible steps to prevent deaths is not taking away freedom, but its easy to see why you dont understand that when you had to be slightly inconvenienced for a short period of your life.

even though the majority of the people who died would have been elderly or at deaths door anyway.

Or suffer from pre existing conditions which weaken their immune system making them more susceptible to infection and thus death. Like my mother, or my father for a period after having his heart attack, or my sister and one of my nieces.

Your utter callousness is demonstrated once again and just shows how pathetically out of touch and self centred you really are.

Do you mean like my mother, father and grandmother? Two of them are shielding, one has diabetes. Well...supposed to be shielding I guess.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because freedoms can be restored, a human life cannot. Sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people just so you can have ¨a free country¨ is far more immoral than a lockdown. This is not tyranny. The fact you think it is shows how little you understand about what it actually is.

I just put very little value on human life I guess. What I don't understand is why most people don't share that view.

Because most people are not like you thankfully, and i would call you what i really wana call you but im not in the mood for another ban at the moment.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Course you dont.

Herd immunity was a stupid idea and 250k people dying when you can take steps to prevent that is not acceptable. And yes the UK is a free country, taking sensible steps to prevent deaths is not taking away freedom, but its easy to see why you dont understand that when you had to be slightly inconvenienced for a short period of your life.

Or suffer from pre existing conditions which weaken their immune system making them more susceptible to infection and thus death. Like my mother, or my father for a period after having his heart attack, or my sister and one of my nieces.

Your utter callousness is demonstrated once again and just shows how pathetically out of touch and self centred you really are.

Do you mean like my mother, father and grandmother? Two of them are shielding, one has diabetes. Well...supposed to be shielding I guess.

And there is the cherry on top, that members of your own family could die from this and you dont care in the slightest.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Do you mean like my mother, father and grandmother? Two of them are shielding, one has diabetes. Well...supposed to be shielding I guess.

And there is the cherry on top, that members of your own family could die from this and you dont care in the slightest.

Oh I'd be very sad, however I don't think my own feelings should be the reason people aren't free, that'd be very selfish of me.

[Andsed]

Because freedoms can be restored, a human life cannot. Sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people just so you can have ¨a free country¨ is far more immoral than a lockdown. This is not tyranny. The fact you think it is shows how little you understand about what it actually is.

I just put very little value on human life I guess. What I don't understand is why most people don't share that view.

Because we have something called basic fucking empathy and actually give a damm about those around us instead of acting like a edgy 13 year old and going on dumb tangents about how there is no real value to human life. Honestly man is it really so hard to understand that most people actually put value in the lives of others?

[The Huskar Social Union]

And there is the cherry on top, that members of your own family could die from this and you dont care in the slightest.

Oh I'd be very sad, however I don't think my own feelings should be the reason people aren't free, that'd be very selfish of me.

No you lacking basic empathy and thinking only about yourself is very selfish of you. Cut the act jim bob its not fooling anyone, you dont care about freedom, you dont care about people living their lives, you care about yourself and you would be more than happy to have other peoples rights curtailed if it didnt effect you at all. Just look at you view on abortion for example and how you want to deny women the right to choose. You want people to be free, but wait no not that freedom, thats a bad one how dare you

So cut the shit.