UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yes, it is anti-british to portray a narrative where everything worthwhile about Britain is foreign. Artificially selecting a list to drive home that point is anti-british for the same reason deciding to make a song about black people and then only selecting criminals to talk about would be racist. "But i'm just listing facts" is not a defense, because you have decided which facts are important enough to highlight, and the ones you have decided are most important are the ones that devalue the UK and its contributions. Much like the constant negativity those types of people have for british history and the empire, it's revealing of their subjective evaluation and how it is anti-british, or more accurately, how they hate britain and then go out searching for examples to spam people with to justify their hatred and to demean the country.

It's part of a pretty consistent anti-british attitude the progressives and liberals have advanced for, well, hundreds of years now actually in the case of liberals.

Your feigned ignorance of how this is racist and anti-british would vanish if I were to up and decide we need to talk about Islam and then listed nothing but atrocities and negative things while remaining silent on examples that don't drive a narrative of Islam = violent/dangerous.

In this example, and in plenty of others and the overarching remoaner narrative, Britain is useless and has produced nothing of value and would be lost without the EU, everything good about us is foreign and the only locally produced thing is superstitious ignorance, stupidity, and ingratitude to our benefactors without whom we would have nothing. This may remind you of the sneering attitudes people had to colonies and how we "Brought them civilization" and "Without us you would be in mud huts", because it's the same attitude, and the same expression of contempt, merely directed against the native populace.

Sing a song about how a bunch of things in colonies are legacies of the UK and British institutions and they have no worthwhile culture of their own, see how it goes.

But I thought teaching people about the history of the British Empire was what the Leavers wanted.

Yes, page 88, right after free gammon and bringing back hanging. How did you get hold of the secret documents?

[Fartsniffage]

But I thought teaching people about the history of the British Empire was what the Leavers wanted.

Yes, page 88, right after free gammon and bringing back hanging. How did you get hold of the secret documents?

What about those of us who don't eat pig?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yes, page 88, right after free gammon and bringing back hanging. How did you get hold of the secret documents?

What about those of us who don't eat pig?

One free shot down Spoons but if you don't buy a round later you get deported for being a shit lad.

[Fartsniffage]

What about those of us who don't eat pig?

One free shot down Spoons but if you don't buy a round later you get deported for being a shit lad.

...I can already feel my trainers sticking to the carpet.

[The Huskar Social Union]

One free shot down Spoons but if you don't buy a round later you get deported for being a shit lad.

...I can already feel my trainers sticking to the carpet.

I was in one the other night and it was grand, dont get the stigma against Spoons, but maybe they are just shitter in Angle Land

[Albennia]

This actually proves that the cabinet should have no power whatsoever and that all executive power should lie with Parliament, representing the wishes of the British people

The document only said what the US was demanding. There was no indication that UK leaders would actually agree to such a demand.

I wish he'd do that, please don't let me down Boris

Imagine wanting to sell your country to the Americans.

I'd love to hear how true monogamy is stupid.

Monogamy is not stupid.

The notion that sex before putting on some rings and standing a ceremony is somehow bad or sinful is stupid. Very fucking stupid.

Marriage is part of our culture

Sex education classes need to teach that all premarital (unless in a relationship leading to marriage) and extramarital sex is wrong.

Or the select people that happen to be running the country could stay out of the bedroom.

The current prime minister and quite a few cabinet ministers should, yes.

[Fartsniffage]

...I can already feel my trainers sticking to the carpet.

I was in one the other night and it was grand, dont get the stigma against Spoons, but maybe they are just shitter in Angle Land

I don't think I've been in one in the last decade. I have no idea what they're like these days.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Monogamy is not stupid.

The notion that sex before putting on some rings and standing a ceremony is somehow bad or sinful is stupid. Very fucking stupid.

Marriage is part of our culture

Marriage is part of a lot of cultures. Doesnt disprove anything i said as well.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'm a big fan of Spoons. True every one has that smelly guy who's been in there ever since it opened (possibly he's stuck to the chair and stays when it closes as a security guard). Sure you sometimes you get a couple of people near the bar having a fight, but the cocktails are good value and the Empire State Burger is as good as food gets. Simple facks.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm a big fan of Spoons. True every one has that smelly guy who's been in there ever since it opened (possibly he's stuck to the chair and stays when it closes as a security guard. Sure you sometimes you get a couple of people near the bar having a fight, but the cocktails are good value and the Empire State Burger is as good as food gets. Simple facks.

Actually now that you mention it, my second time in wetherspoons someone was turfed out for fighting

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, it is anti-british to portray a narrative where everything worthwhile about Britain is foreign. Artificially selecting a list to drive home that point is anti-british for the same reason deciding to make a song about black people and then only selecting criminals to talk about would be racist. "But i'm just listing facts" is not a defense, because you have decided which facts are important enough to highlight, and the ones you have decided are most important are the ones that devalue the UK and its contributions. Much like the constant negativity those types of people have for british history and the empire, it's revealing of their subjective evaluation and how it is anti-british, or more accurately, how they hate britain and then go out searching for examples to spam people with to justify their hatred and to demean the country.

It's part of a pretty consistent anti-british attitude the progressives and liberals have advanced for, well, hundreds of years now actually in the case of liberals.

Your feigned ignorance of how this is racist and anti-british would vanish if I were to up and decide we need to talk about Islam and then listed nothing but atrocities and negative things while remaining silent on examples that don't drive a narrative of Islam = violent/dangerous.

In this example, and in plenty of others and the overarching remoaner narrative, Britain is useless and has produced nothing of value and would be lost without the EU, everything good about us is foreign and the only locally produced thing is superstitious ignorance, stupidity, and ingratitude to our benefactors without whom we would have nothing. This may remind you of the sneering attitudes people had to colonies and how we "Brought them civilization" and "Without us you would be in mud huts", because it's the same attitude, and the same expression of contempt, merely directed against the native populace.

Sing a song about how a bunch of things in colonies are legacies of the UK and British institutions and they have no worthwhile culture of their own, see how it goes.

But I thought teaching people about the history of the British Empire was what the Leavers wanted.

So more feigned ignorance of the point then. Deciding which elements to select when teaching history and how to arrange them is important, and it's how we conclude this is anti British prejudice, same as discussing the history of any group and then selecting only negative examples would reveal an agenda to demonize and demean them, you can't hide behind "Just stating facts" because you're deciding which facts to focus on and which to ignore, and in the process, revealing your contempt for British people.

You are pretending not to understand. Imagine if "We should learn about other religions in schools" played the same game you are playing here. "But I thought you wanted us to teach about foreign religions'.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm a big fan of Spoons. True every one has that smelly guy who's been in there ever since it opened (possibly he's stuck to the chair and stays when it closes as a security guard). Sure you sometimes you get a couple of people near the bar having a fight, but the cocktails are good value and the Empire State Burger is as good as food gets. Simple facks.

Breakfast is nice and cheap for what you get, and free coffee refills are a godsend when working.

[Rojava Free State]

Marriage is part of our culture

Marriage is part of a lot of cultures. Doesnt disprove anything i said as well.

Did you know that out of thousands of species there is only one species where members force two individuals to promise to be trapped together forever before they're allowed to bang?

If you need to get married just to preserve your relationship with someone, your relationship sucks.

[Fartsniffage]

But I thought teaching people about the history of the British Empire was what the Leavers wanted.

So more feigned ignorance of the point then. Deciding which elements to select when teaching history and how to arrange them is important, and it's how we conclude this is anti British prejudice, same as discussing the history of any group and then selecting only negative examples would reveal an agenda to demonize and demean them, you can't hide behind "Just stating facts" because you're deciding which facts to focus on and which to ignore, and in the process, revealing your contempt for British people.

You are pretending not to understand. Imagine if "We should learn about other religions in schools" played the same game you are playing here. "But I thought you wanted us to teach about foreign religions'.

Did you watch the whole video or just the controversial part? It takes the piss out of France, Germany, Italy, and the UK. It's Horrible Histories, it a childrens tv programme that simplifies history and makes it a bit funny so kids get into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWsNYb937iQ

[Ostroeuropa]

So more feigned ignorance of the point then. Deciding which elements to select when teaching history and how to arrange them is important, and it's how we conclude this is anti British prejudice, same as discussing the history of any group and then selecting only negative examples would reveal an agenda to demonize and demean them, you can't hide behind "Just stating facts" because you're deciding which facts to focus on and which to ignore, and in the process, revealing your contempt for British people.

You are pretending not to understand. Imagine if "We should learn about other religions in schools" played the same game you are playing here. "But I thought you wanted us to teach about foreign religions'.

Did you watch the whole video or just the controversial part? It takes the piss out of France, Germany, Italy, and the UK. It's Horrible Histories, it a childrens tv programme that simplifies history and makes it a bit funny so kids get into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWsNYb937iQ

I'm less concerned with the videos origins and more with retweeting it in the current context, where it is clear what message is being sent and to whom. It aligns neatly with the broader narrative on the UK and it's people advanced by a certain political faction and the institutions it controls, and their usage of the video needs to be viewed in that context.

[Albennia]

Marriage is part of our culture

Marriage is part of a lot of cultures. Doesnt disprove anything i said as well.

Yes, marriage is part of a lot of cultures. And as I've said, exceptions are made for dedicated relationships resulting in marriage.

[Ostroeuropa]

Marriage is part of a lot of cultures. Doesnt disprove anything i said as well.

Did you know that out of thousands of species there is only one species where members force two individuals to promise to be trapped together forever before they're allowed to bang?

If you need to get married just to preserve your relationship with someone, your relationship sucks.

They'd be allowed to bang prior, but pregnancy risks the woman being a financial burden to potential suitors, bastards are a thing. People didn't get pitchforks out over sleeping with people before marriage, it simply left the woman undesirable and shunned. The man agrees to take on the financial burden of the kid and the woman agrees not to sleep with other men so he has more confidence the kids are his. A woman who sleeps with a man she isn't married to might do so again being the reasoning behind expecting them to marry first and seeing her negatively if she does it, but pitchforks were usually reserved for if she did this while married, not while unmarried.

The modern dynamic makes these agreements make less sense, so marriage evolved into a voluntary statement of commitment and celebration.

[Albennia]

Marriage is part of a lot of cultures. Doesnt disprove anything i said as well.

Did you know that out of thousands of species there is only one species where members force two individuals to promise to be trapped together forever before they're allowed to bang?

If you need to get married just to preserve your relationship with someone, your relationship sucks.

If your argument is "it's bad because only humans do it" I suppose we need to get rid of language and all societies more complex than those ants and bees have.

Relationships that suck shouldn't involve marriage or sex.

[Vassenor]

Marriage is part of a lot of cultures. Doesnt disprove anything i said as well.

Yes, marriage is part of a lot of cultures. And as I've said, exceptions are made for dedicated relationships resulting in marriage.

So without citing century old books, explain why sex must only be allowed within a monogamous marriage.

[Fartsniffage]

Did you watch the whole video or just the controversial part? It takes the piss out of France, Germany, Italy, and the UK. It's Horrible Histories, it a childrens tv programme that simplifies history and makes it a bit funny so kids get into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWsNYb937iQ

I'm less concerned with the videos origins and more with retweeting it in the current context, where it is clear what message is being sent and to whom. It aligns neatly with the broader narrative on the UK and it's people advanced by a certain political faction and the institutions it controls, and their usage of the video needs to be viewed in that context.

The full video is the current context. It was made specifically for Brexit. Taking one part alone is taking it out of context.

[Albennia]

The man agrees to take on the financial burden of the kid and the woman agrees not to sleep with other men so he has more confidence the kids are his.

That's a pretty cold view of what is, when it isn't being corrupted, the ultimate expression of love and devotion

[Albennia]

Yes, marriage is part of a lot of cultures. And as I've said, exceptions are made for dedicated relationships resulting in marriage.

So without citing century old books, explain why sex must only be allowed within a monogamous marriage.

Because anything else, excluding the aforementioned relationships, is wrong and quite simply disgusting. Sex and marriage are, as I have said for the latter already, the ultimate expression of love and devotion. The two cannot and should not be divided.

[Vassenor]

So without citing century old books, explain why sex must only be allowed within a monogamous marriage.

Because anything else, excluding the aforementioned relationships, is wrong and quite simply disgusting. Sex and marriage are, as I have said for the latter already, the ultimate expression of love and devotion. The two cannot and should not be divided.

So basically everyone needs to conform to what you think is and is not icky and gross.

[Andsed]

So without citing century old books, explain why sex must only be allowed within a monogamous marriage.

Because anything else, excluding the aforementioned relationships, is wrong and quite simply disgusting. Sex and marriage are, as I have said for the latter already, the ultimate expression of love and devotion. The two cannot and should not be divided.

Nah. Sex is just something we humans do for pleasure and or reproduction. Having sex before marriage (as long as both parties are consenting adults of course) is not wrong.

[Ostroeuropa]

The man agrees to take on the financial burden of the kid and the woman agrees not to sleep with other men so he has more confidence the kids are his.

That's a pretty cold view of what is, when it isn't being corrupted, the ultimate expression of love and devotion

That's a pretty modern notion that we project onto the institution. It hasn't always been a part of it, and isn't the origins.