UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Ifreann]

The Yeltsin himself.

Big ruskie vibes

What up gamers, it's ya boi Yesltsixtynine.

[Novus America]

I think DI meant the nations should reduce their own militaries and contribute to a broader European defence forces though (cos I saw them say that in another thread)

Yeah that's it. People will argue military independence is a big part of sovereignty but if you look past the ideology our independence is basically us being America's bitch and the Europeans doing nothing.

Also it should be noted US states actually can and do retain their own military forces.

The US has an interesting compromise model.

Although this would be more difficult for the UK, because although the US states have their own military forces, they still have the same equipment, uniforms (in most but not allcases), rank structures etc. And a single military language.

It was not as difficult as for the UK where the states do not have a unifying military language and much greater diversity in military traditions.

[Celritannia]

Yeah that's it. People will argue military independence is a big part of sovereignty but if you look past the ideology our independence is basically us being America's bitch and the Europeans doing nothing.

Also it should be noted US states actually can and do retain their own military forces.

The US has an interesting compromise model.

Although this would be more difficult for the UK, because although the US states have their own military forces, they still have the same equipment, uniforms (in most but not allcases), rank structures etc. And a single military language.

It was not as difficult as for the UK where the states do not have a unifying military language and much greater diversity in military traditions.

True, however, English is a second language to most in the Armed Forces across Europe, especially for the officers who have direct contact to NATO.

[New Bremerton]

First 'virtual' Prime Minister's Questions: 22 April 2020

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So how do we rate Raab's leadership so far? He seems a bit of a plodder to me.

[Novus America]

Also it should be noted US states actually can and do retain their own military forces.

The US has an interesting compromise model.

Although this would be more difficult for the UK, because although the US states have their own military forces, they still have the same equipment, uniforms (in most but not allcases), rank structures etc. And a single military language.

It was not as difficult as for the UK where the states do not have a unifying military language and much greater diversity in military traditions.

True, however, English is a second language to most in the Armed Forces across Europe, especially for the officers who have direct contact to NATO.

Although true you could make English the language as most high ranking officers speak it, the French would lose their shit, hence why NATO has to produce a lot of things in French as well as English.
The language is still and issue for a common military, especially for things like ships.

Trying to avoid Austria Hungary dialed up to 11 is still an issue.

Although I think the easiest thing would be to reorganize NATO back into a separate European and Atlantic command again, but this time with a Euro as SACEUR.
An autonomous European Command of NATO lead by Euros would be a good way to help establish a European military of sorts, without redundancy. Sure a few EU members are not NATO members but they are few and Ireland of 0 military relevance.

[Celritannia]

True, however, English is a second language to most in the Armed Forces across Europe, especially for the officers who have direct contact to NATO.

Although true you could make English the language as most high ranking officers speak it, the French would lose their shit, hence why NATO has to produce a lot of things in French as well as English.
The language is still and issue for a common military, especially for things like ships.

Trying to avoid Austria Hungary dialed up to 11 is still an issue.

Although I think the easiest thing would be to reorganize NATO back into a separate European and Atlantic command again, but this time with a Euro as SACEUR.
An autonomous European Command of NATO lead by Euros would be a good way to help establish a European military of sorts, without redundancy. Sure a few EU members are not NATO members but they are few and Ireland of 0 military relevance.

I agree with that. I can see the UK, France, and Germany being the ones to fill the major positions of a SACEUR staff.
Perhaps even a name change from Supreme Allied Commander Europe, to SEUOCOMM (Supreme European Commander)

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It would be the logical decision for a government 'getting Brexit done' as Cummings wanted them to say. Presumably most people who voted for Brexit would support them doing that, even at the cost UK lives. Though not being a Brexit supporter I disagree with them.

Signs are that they are sticking to the Brexit transition deadline of December 31, even though very little is likely being done on negotiating with the EU while the government struggles with the Coronavirus issue.

I dread to think what a is going to happen to our already weakened economy if we end up with a no deal Brexit. It is absolutely stupid.

I'm fairly confident that if you asked Brexit voters how many UK lives they were willing to sacrifice to get Brexit done quicker, the overwhelming modal number would be zero.

Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
I asked that question when I was part of ukip, in their online media. You would not have liked the results.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So how do we rate Raab's leadership so far? He seems a bit of a plodder to me.

He's doing what he's been asked to do. Keep the ship stable without making major directional shifts. He used to have good libertarian principles so I had a small amount of hope he'd get rid of the lockdown, but he really doesn't have the authority to as acting pm.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I'm fairly confident that if you asked Brexit voters how many UK lives they were willing to sacrifice to get Brexit done quicker, the overwhelming modal number would be zero.

Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
I asked that question when I was part of ukip, in their online media. You would not have liked the results.

I'm curious, what were the results? Were Ukippers all channelling Lord Farquaad by any chance?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
I asked that question when I was part of ukip, in their online media. You would not have liked the results.

I'm curious, what were the results? Were Ukippers all channelling Lord Farquaad by any chance?

You know the sort of group that the press would love to have access to, back when ukip was actually a credible political party? There was both stuff they'd love and stuff that they'd just straight off report to the police.

[Celritannia]

I'm curious, what were the results? Were Ukippers all channelling Lord Farquaad by any chance?

You know the sort of group that the press would love to have access to, back when ukip was actually a credible political party? There was both stuff they'd love and stuff that they'd just straight off report to the police.

Pahahaha.

[Fartsniffage]

You know the sort of group that the press would love to have access to, back when ukip was actually a credible political party? There was both stuff they'd love and stuff that they'd just straight off report to the police.

Pahahaha.

UKIP used to be totally credible... *snigger*

[Salandriagado]

I'm fairly confident that if you asked Brexit voters how many UK lives they were willing to sacrifice to get Brexit done quicker, the overwhelming modal number would be zero.

Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
I asked that question when I was part of ukip, in their online media. You would not have liked the results.

UKIP's reach covers a microscopically tiny percentage of Brexit voters.

[Novus America]

Pahahaha.

UKIP used to be totally credible... *snigger*

I mean in the end they won TBF. Victims of their own success really.
They took over the Tories, eliminating the need for their own party.

[Celritannia]

From the founder himself, speaking to the Guardian in 2018:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -alan-sked

[Novus America]

From the founder himself, speaking to the Guardian in 2018:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -alan-sked

It really has no reason to exist as a party anymore. At all. It got what it wanted, so it should just fold up and its few remaining members can join the Tories or Brexit party. After the Tories United around Brexit, and Farage left why does it even still exist?

[Albrenia]

From the founder himself, speaking to the Guardian in 2018:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -alan-sked

It really has no reason to exist as a party anymore. At all. It got what it wanted, so it should just fold up and its few remaining members can join the Tories or Brexit party. After the Tories United around Brexit, and Farage left why does it even still exist?

It does rather seem redundant now. Even more so once the Brexit process is formally completed.

[Gormwood]

I dread to think what a is going to happen to our already weakened economy if we end up with a no deal Brexit. It is absolutely stupid.

An excuse for a privatization spree, starting with the NHS.

[Gormwood]

-drinks-

Can't wait to see if he dances at a concert once quarantine is lifted.

[Ifreann]

-drinks-

Can't wait to see if he dances at a concert once quarantine is lifted.

Probably not, he's been dead for thirteen years.

[Galloism]

Can't wait to see if he dances at a concert once quarantine is lifted.

Probably not, he's been dead for thirteen years.

Then it’ll take a lot of electricity.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Happy st georges day to all you englander types

[New Lunenburg]

I dread to think what a is going to happen to our already weakened economy if we end up with a no deal Brexit. It is absolutely stupid.

An excuse for a privatization spree, starting with the NHS.

Dunno how you came up with that one. Boris is a populist (who has pledged a lot of public spending) and privatising the NHS isn’t popular, least of all right after this.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
I asked that question when I was part of ukip, in their online media. You would not have liked the results.

UKIP's reach covers a microscopically tiny percentage of Brexit voters.

This was back in 2016. I left ukip in early 2017.