UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Cambrian Albany]

What? The stuff about Enoch Powell for fucks sake.

And no I don’t, but I have fairly detailed reasoning, which you’re not willing to engage with.

This is still an opinion post with one quote that hasn't been

quoted

.

There were also no articles.

It’s not an opinion post it was polling from the time and views of politicians at the time to back up what I’d said about popular support and politicians at the time superseding it.

[Celritannia]

This is still an opinion post with one quote that hasn't been .

There were also no articles.

It’s not an opinion post it was polling from the time and views of politicians at the time to back up what I’d said about popular support and politicians at the time superseding it.

And what time period are you living in now?

The people are not bothered about it now, not is there a group of people from other countries wishing to replace the fucking 87% of White British population.
To say so otherwise is clear ignorance.

[Novus America]

It is actually not impossible. It is VERY unlikely yes, to be implemented wholesale Saudi Arabia/Iranian/Pakistan style absolutely.

But one cannot say that is literally impossible, no matter how improbable.

If only everyone voted for Muslim MPs to win a majority.

No more voting in the UK is possible, and enough people voting for a open Wahhabi is theoretically possible. I agree it is absurdly improbable to get and Iran/Saudi/Pakistan style government in the UK but again not literally impossible.

Impossible is not the same as “extremely improbable, even ridiculously improbable”.

And partial use of Sharia in say certain family disputes in which both people are Muslim and agree to it is absolutely not improbable or impossible.

I do not think think there is a looming Sharia threat, but I do think it fair to note Pakistan does not have a good society in many aspects from our perspective. Not to say all Pakistanis are bad or should be banned at all, not all hold to the toxic values that sometimes exist in parts of their society, but absolutely caution should be taken to make sure immigrants hold to Western values, and do not bring in toxic aspects of another society.

[Celritannia]

If only everyone voted for Muslim MPs to win a majority.

No more voting in the UK is possible, and a enough people voting for a open Wahhabi is theoretically possible. I agree it is absurdly improbable to get and Iran/Saudi/Pakistan style government in the UK but again not literally impossible.

Impossible is not the same as “extremely improbable, even ridiculously impossible.

And partial use of Sharia in say certain family disputes in which both people are Muslim and agree to it is absolutely not improbable or impossible.

I do not think think there is a looming Sharia threat, but I do think it fair to note Pakistan does not have a good society in many aspects from our perspective. Not to say all Pakistanis are bad or should be banned at all, not all hold to the toxic values that sometimes exist in parts of their society, but absolutely caution should be taken to make sure immigrants hold to Western values, and do not bring in toxic aspects of another society.

I agree with that.

[Gormwood]

This is not a Hobson’s choice. The existence of a Curry house in the UK is not an existential threat to the British nation and its heritage.

Every time a Brit eats a curry, ISIS cut the throat of another royal.

Vindaloo smuggles powdered qu'ran in the spice mix so anyone who eats it turns into a suicide bomber instantly. *nod*

[New Bremerton]

Sharia law will never be implemented in the UK. It's impossible.

Sharia can be implemented in practice without it ever being the official law of the land. For instance, instead of laws against blasphemy and apostasy, we have laws against "hate speech" and "sedition", and such laws can be abused to prosecute both liberal Muslim and non-Muslim critics of Islam alike.

[New Bremerton]

It is actually not impossible. It is VERY unlikely yes, to be implemented wholesale Saudi Arabia/Iranian/Pakistan style absolutely.

But one cannot say that is literally impossible, no matter how improbable.

If only everyone voted for Muslim MPs to win a majority.

I'm not convinced that Sadiq Khan is any kind of radical Islamist, although he's still Labour (soft left like Keir Starmer) and I remain suspicious of his motives. Maajid Nawaz, a Lib Dem, and Sajid Javid, a Tory, are perfectly A-OK. Sayeeda Warsi has since revealed her anti-Zionist tendencies for all to see, and cannot be trusted. A Muslim majority in Parliament would not necessarily lead to the death of freedom and democracy in Britain if all Muslims were like Dua Lipa or Bebe Rexha.

[Vassenor]

Coronavirus: Govt 'lost a crucial five weeks' to tackle threat of COVID-19

So yeah, we could've been on top of this much earlier than we actually were if the government hadn't had its head in the sand.

[Gormwood]

Coronavirus: Govt 'lost a crucial five weeks' to tackle threat of COVID-19

So yeah, we could've been on top of this much earlier than we actually were if the government hadn't had its head in the sand.

Another English speaking country where a pompous blonde muppet ignored advice from scientists and experts to let a pandemic get out of hand.

[Ostroeuropa]

“Corbyn’s aides sometimes demanded big spending on Facebook advertising for pet projects which Southsiders [officials at Labour HQ] regarded as a waste of money,” Baldwin writes.
He quotes an official explaining: “They wanted us to spend a fortune on some schemes like the one they had to encourage voter registration, but we only had to spend about £5,000 to make sure Jeremy’s people, some journalists and bloggers saw it was there on Facebook.
“And if it was there for them, they thought it must be there for everyone. It wasn’t. That’s how targeted ads can work.”
The Sunday Times has verified the existence of the deception operation with two Labour sources familiar with the Facebook adverts.

https://archive.is/HuMeO

[The Huskar Social Union]

“Corbyn’s aides sometimes demanded big spending on Facebook advertising for pet projects which Southsiders [officials at Labour HQ] regarded as a waste of money,” Baldwin writes.
He quotes an official explaining: “They wanted us to spend a fortune on some schemes like the one they had to encourage voter registration, but we only had to spend about £5,000 to make sure Jeremy’s people, some journalists and bloggers saw it was there on Facebook.
“And if it was there for them, they thought it must be there for everyone. It wasn’t. That’s how targeted ads can work.”
The Sunday Times has verified the existence of the deception operation with two Labour sources familiar with the Facebook adverts.

https://archive.is/HuMeO

Your archive link isnt working, though im not sure if that is just on my end.

[Cambrian Albany]

Cambrian Albany would have a very strong case to make if English people have actually experienced real, Nazi-style persecution at the hands of brown and black people like the Jews were persecuted by the Germans and Uighurs are being persecuted by the Chinese. I'm talking concentration camps, unethical lab experiments, comfort women, sterilization, and total genocide. Unlike the Jews, Uighurs, Tibetans and other politically persecuted minorities fighting for their freedom and independence, the history of white English and British people is not defined as one of centuries of near-continuous persecution, collective humiliation, numerous pogroms, and extermination by a genocidal majority. If it were, I would be a little more sympathetic.

I don't care if I'm the last person of East Asian descent alive on this planet today and my race dies out completely. I'm more concerned about whether I will face persecution, violence and discrimination simply for the way I look. Freedom from sustained and intense persecution alone should determine whether England or Malaysia or Japan ought to maintain their indigenous ethnic majorities at all costs, or whether whites should maintain their majority in the United States, or the creation of an independent polity for racially persecuted African-Americans. Biology alone should NEVER be the deciding factor.

I could care less if Europeans suddenly all became black overnight but continued to behave like perfect English butlers and live perfectly decent lives of luxury and opulence. Freedom from persecution ties in very closely with the right to self-determination. It is for this reason that I ended up supporting the right of the British people to leave the European Union at all costs. And if the Scots wish to declare independence, let them.

That said, I agree with CA that relatively harmless cultural customs and traditions, such as fish and chips in England, or anime in Japan, ought to be preserved rather than needlessly swept away, although I would extend this rule to include immigrant customs as well as indigenous ones, and no, I'm not talking about FGM, or hanging gays, apostates and blasphemers. Immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants, must be compelled to integrate and learn the local language, although I would grant some leeway to elderly relatives of immigrants who are prone to bouts of dementia and senility, rendering them unable to learn another language, like my very much alive and kicking grandmother.

Most importantly of all, immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants, MUST be compelled to respect basic, liberal, Western principles, such as freedom of speech, freedom from religion, human rights, democracy, due process, equality, the rule of law, etc. I share CA's fear of sharia completely overrunning Europe, because it means that indigenous non-Muslims WILL be persecuted and treated as second-class citizens. Always, without exception. I live in a Muslim-majority country myself, and being a non-Muslim, I know what racial and religious discrimination feels like when perpetrated by Malay and Muslim supremacists. I know how it feels to be humiliated and told to be quiet or else, and this fact alone really upsets me to no end.

But this is a matter of upholding liberal values, Western cultural norms, and basic human decency, rather than having anything to do with racial replacement. Non-Muslims of immigrant background have already successfully integrated into their host country. This is apparently less true of Muslim immigrants to the UK and their descendants, at least when compared to Hindus, Sikhs, and especially Jews. Concerns about self-inflicted cultural suicide spearheaded by radical, woke, PC leftists are not entirely unwarranted. Creeping Islamization is a very real threat to both Muslim and non-Muslim countries alike, and far-leftists would rather look the other way and see their countries devolve into clones of Malaysia and Indonesia, thereby playing right into CA's overly simplistic narrative of white replacement.

As for immigration per se, I believe that countries have a right to determine who can and can't immigrate and in what numbers, especially if, like Hong Kong or Singapore, they are small, densely populated and possess limited resources, social infrastructure, and manpower, but they have absolutely no moral right to discriminate against those who are already there legally. Racial abuse uttered by ignorant fuckwits on the subway and across the street against people of East Asian descent must never be tolerated under any circumstances, pandemic or no pandemic, and evicting blacks from their rented apartments, barring them from patronizing a McDonald's branch and aimlessly moving them along simply for being black is equally beyond the pale, especially if the state itself is the one giving the orders from above.

I only just read the last two pages or so, but I haven't seen anything specific from CA about what exactly should be done to non-whites in England. I'm curious to know. What machinations does he have in store for them? Does he even care to distinguish between native-born, fully-integrated non-whites and recent, FOB arrivals? Does he distinguish between those who respect the culture and customs of England and those who do not? Does he distinguish between economic migrants and refugees? If not, why not?

CA refuses to acknowledge a clear distinction between race and culture. He is absolutely right to worry about self-inflicted cultural suicide and a possible, stealth implementation of sharia through the backdoor via enforcement of draconian "hate speech" laws aided and abetted by naive and sympathetic leftists, but his overblown fear of racial replacement sounds like yet another iteration of the white "genocide" conspiracy theory that many confirmed white supremacists are obsessed with to the point of shooting up two mosques in New Zealand. Racist is not a word I'm prepared to dish out on a whim, because that word, like its close cousin fascist, has been abused to the point of meaninglessness. That said, the vibe I'm getting from CA seems to be one of deep-seated racial insecurity, to put it mildly.

But the culture is tied to the race, as I originally explained. Cultural aspects might be preserved but I imagine nothing more than tourist shop gimmicks, like wheeling out a fucking bagpiper or serving some bastardised roast lunch. The issue is is that replacement is going to happen, plenty of liberals concede this: some are even happy about this as they think that with the death of the white race all worldly injustice will be put to bed. So faced with imminent replacement it is perfectly reasonable to presume that the texture and aesthetic of the nation as it exists now will be radically altered and British people will have nowhere to call home whilst all the incoming groups still have ethnically homogenous homelands. Perhaps racially insecure is fair though, I have every right and reason to be racially insecure. Faced with demographic abyss, faced with a liberal media that constantly shits on stereotypes such as 'old white men', where gammon is a perfectly acceptable insult but anything of the other kind would leave you being hounded by Twitter mobs until you checked yourself into a euthanasia clinic in Geneva. Any notion of ethnic self assertion for British people is deemed vile but never the other way. Yes, many do become insecure because it is not something to be proud of and indeed many act as though we ought to be ashamed.

As to what could be done? I think we are over that waterfall, nothing will be done and nothing that most people with their current line of thinking would have the stomach for. Repatriation would of course be the solution to the UK's current demographic issue, along with pro-natal policies and an emphasis on the family: for example trying to foster an economy that does not require more than one parent to work. There would of course be a case by case clemency for people who it could safely be said of were fully integrated. But I cannot stress enough that I don't see any of this happening and I am basically just ranting and lamenting. The whole thing is completely fucked and the situation is near unsalvageable.

[Celritannia]

Cambrian Albany would have a very strong case to make if English people have actually experienced real, Nazi-style persecution at the hands of brown and black people like the Jews were persecuted by the Germans and Uighurs are being persecuted by the Chinese. I'm talking concentration camps, unethical lab experiments, comfort women, sterilization, and total genocide. Unlike the Jews, Uighurs, Tibetans and other politically persecuted minorities fighting for their freedom and independence, the history of white English and British people is not defined as one of centuries of near-continuous persecution, collective humiliation, numerous pogroms, and extermination by a genocidal majority. If it were, I would be a little more sympathetic.

I don't care if I'm the last person of East Asian descent alive on this planet today and my race dies out completely. I'm more concerned about whether I will face persecution, violence and discrimination simply for the way I look. Freedom from sustained and intense persecution alone should determine whether England or Malaysia or Japan ought to maintain their indigenous ethnic majorities at all costs, or whether whites should maintain their majority in the United States, or the creation of an independent polity for racially persecuted African-Americans. Biology alone should NEVER be the deciding factor.

I could care less if Europeans suddenly all became black overnight but continued to behave like perfect English butlers and live perfectly decent lives of luxury and opulence. Freedom from persecution ties in very closely with the right to self-determination. It is for this reason that I ended up supporting the right of the British people to leave the European Union at all costs. And if the Scots wish to declare independence, let them.

That said, I agree with CA that relatively harmless cultural customs and traditions, such as fish and chips in England, or anime in Japan, ought to be preserved rather than needlessly swept away, although I would extend this rule to include immigrant customs as well as indigenous ones, and no, I'm not talking about FGM, or hanging gays, apostates and blasphemers. Immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants, must be compelled to integrate and learn the local language, although I would grant some leeway to elderly relatives of immigrants who are prone to bouts of dementia and senility, rendering them unable to learn another language, like my very much alive and kicking grandmother.

Most importantly of all, immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants, MUST be compelled to respect basic, liberal, Western principles, such as freedom of speech, freedom from religion, human rights, democracy, due process, equality, the rule of law, etc. I share CA's fear of sharia completely overrunning Europe, because it means that indigenous non-Muslims WILL be persecuted and treated as second-class citizens. Always, without exception. I live in a Muslim-majority country myself, and being a non-Muslim, I know what racial and religious discrimination feels like when perpetrated by Malay and Muslim supremacists. I know how it feels to be humiliated and told to be quiet or else, and this fact alone really upsets me to no end.

But this is a matter of upholding liberal values, Western cultural norms, and basic human decency, rather than having anything to do with racial replacement. Non-Muslims of immigrant background have already successfully integrated into their host country. This is apparently less true of Muslim immigrants to the UK and their descendants, at least when compared to Hindus, Sikhs, and especially Jews. Concerns about self-inflicted cultural suicide spearheaded by radical, woke, PC leftists are not entirely unwarranted. Creeping Islamization is a very real threat to both Muslim and non-Muslim countries alike, and far-leftists would rather look the other way and see their countries devolve into clones of Malaysia and Indonesia, thereby playing right into CA's overly simplistic narrative of white replacement.

As for immigration per se, I believe that countries have a right to determine who can and can't immigrate and in what numbers, especially if, like Hong Kong or Singapore, they are small, densely populated and possess limited resources, social infrastructure, and manpower, but they have absolutely no moral right to discriminate against those who are already there legally. Racial abuse uttered by ignorant fuckwits on the subway and across the street against people of East Asian descent must never be tolerated under any circumstances, pandemic or no pandemic, and evicting blacks from their rented apartments, barring them from patronizing a McDonald's branch and aimlessly moving them along simply for being black is equally beyond the pale, especially if the state itself is the one giving the orders from above.

I only just read the last two pages or so, but I haven't seen anything specific from CA about what exactly should be done to non-whites in England. I'm curious to know. What machinations does he have in store for them? Does he even care to distinguish between native-born, fully-integrated non-whites and recent, FOB arrivals? Does he distinguish between those who respect the culture and customs of England and those who do not? Does he distinguish between economic migrants and refugees? If not, why not?

CA refuses to acknowledge a clear distinction between race and culture. He is absolutely right to worry about self-inflicted cultural suicide and a possible, stealth implementation of sharia through the backdoor via enforcement of draconian "hate speech" laws aided and abetted by naive and sympathetic leftists, but his overblown fear of racial replacement sounds like yet another iteration of the white "genocide" conspiracy theory that many confirmed white supremacists are obsessed with to the point of shooting up two mosques in New Zealand. Racist is not a word I'm prepared to dish out on a whim, because that word, like its close cousin fascist, has been abused to the point of meaninglessness. That said, the vibe I'm getting from CA seems to be one of deep-seated racial insecurity, to put it mildly.

But the culture is tied to the race, as I originally explained. Cultural aspects might be preserved but I imagine nothing more than tourist shop gimmicks, like wheeling out a fucking bagpiper or serving some bastardised roast lunch. The issue is is that replacement is going to happen, plenty of liberals concede this: some are even happy about this as they think that with the death of the white race all worldly injustice will be put to bed. So faced with imminent replacement it is perfectly reasonable to presume that the texture and aesthetic of the nation as it exists now will be radically altered and British people will have nowhere to call home whilst all the incoming groups still have ethnically homogenous homelands. Perhaps racially insecure is fair though, I have every right and reason to be racially insecure. Faced with demographic abyss, faced with a liberal media that constantly shits on stereotypes such as 'old white men', where gammon is a perfectly acceptable insult but anything of the other kind would leave you being hounded by Twitter mobs until you checked yourself into a euthanasia clinic in Geneva. Any notion of ethnic self assertion for British people is deemed vile but never the other way. Yes, many do become insecure because it is not something to be proud of and indeed many act as though we ought to be ashamed.

As to what could be done? I think we are over that waterfall, nothing will be done and nothing that most people with their current line of thinking would have the stomach for. Repatriation would of course be the solution to the UK's current demographic issue, along with pro-natal policies and an emphasis on the family: for example trying to foster an economy that does not require more than one parent to work. There would of course be a case by case clemency for people who it could safely be said of were fully integrated. But I cannot stress enough that I don't see any of this happening and I am basically just ranting and lamenting. The whole thing is completely fucked and the situation is near unsalvageable.

Yes, because 87% of the UK population that is still white British is suddenly going to be replaced

How pre-90s of you.

[Cambrian Albany]

But the culture is tied to the race, as I originally explained. Cultural aspects might be preserved but I imagine nothing more than tourist shop gimmicks, like wheeling out a fucking bagpiper or serving some bastardised roast lunch. The issue is is that replacement is going to happen, plenty of liberals concede this: some are even happy about this as they think that with the death of the white race all worldly injustice will be put to bed. So faced with imminent replacement it is perfectly reasonable to presume that the texture and aesthetic of the nation as it exists now will be radically altered and British people will have nowhere to call home whilst all the incoming groups still have ethnically homogenous homelands. Perhaps racially insecure is fair though, I have every right and reason to be racially insecure. Faced with demographic abyss, faced with a liberal media that constantly shits on stereotypes such as 'old white men', where gammon is a perfectly acceptable insult but anything of the other kind would leave you being hounded by Twitter mobs until you checked yourself into a euthanasia clinic in Geneva. Any notion of ethnic self assertion for British people is deemed vile but never the other way. Yes, many do become insecure because it is not something to be proud of and indeed many act as though we ought to be ashamed.

As to what could be done? I think we are over that waterfall, nothing will be done and nothing that most people with their current line of thinking would have the stomach for. Repatriation would of course be the solution to the UK's current demographic issue, along with pro-natal policies and an emphasis on the family: for example trying to foster an economy that does not require more than one parent to work. There would of course be a case by case clemency for people who it could safely be said of were fully integrated. But I cannot stress enough that I don't see any of this happening and I am basically just ranting and lamenting. The whole thing is completely fucked and the situation is near unsalvageable.

Yes, because 87% of the UK population that is still white British is suddenly going to be replaced

Who said suddenly? But it is set to be replaced by the 60s or 70s. This is widely accepted. White women have the lowest birth rates in the UK, whilst ethnic minorities are far higher not to mention the endless droves than arrive annually.

[Celritannia]

Yes, because 87% of the UK population that is still white British is suddenly going to be replaced

Who said suddenly? But it is set to be replaced by the 60s or 70s. This is widely accepted. White women have the lowest birth rates in the UK, whilst ethnic minorities are far higher not to mention the endless droves than arrive annually.

Sources please.

Children born from ethnic parents will just be as British as those from white parents. It's all about education.

Sources please.

Next you'll be telling us all that breeding programmes should exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gen ... acy_theory

[Ostroeuropa]

Persecution of whites already occurs in the effort to make this nation multicultural and so on, why wouldn't that intensify as they become less prominent in the country?

[Celritannia]

Persecution of whites already occurs in the effort to make this nation multicultural and so on, why wouldn't that intensify as they become less prominent in the country?

Is there any evidence to back this claim up?

[Ostroeuropa]

Persecution of whites already occurs in the effort to make this nation multicultural and so on, why wouldn't that intensify as they become less prominent in the country?

Is there any evidence to back this claim up?

You've got incidents like the rape gang scandals, the routine hostility and denigration of whites from the left wing media, the underrepresentation of whites on television and nonetheless hiring policies discriminating against them because of that overarching cultural narrative against them as oppressors, the routine denigration of them as not as productive as immigrants, the underfunding of the education system that allows multiculturalism to occur in the first place (since foreign experts can be hired instead, then the public gaslit and told it's good for them to be denied a proper education and to hire a foreigner instead, since it means less taxes) and how this fuels the stereotypes about them being stupid, and so on.

They're demonized and subjected to double standards routinely, and where crime occurs against them it isn't taken seriously.

This has resulted in the displacement of some of their historic communities and destruction of those cultures such as Cockneys.

Like the US manifesting destiny, a lot of it wasn't explicit state action against Indians. They simply let hooligans turn up who raped, shot, and harassed Indians until they moved while the government pretended not to notice, but would immediately get up in arms if the Indians defended themselves and accuse them of being evil savage criminals who needed to be taught a lesson by the state.

That's a similar dynamic to the one white folk in Britain face in many communities, such as those which had the rape gang scandals occur. If they'd decided to organize together and form a Klan rally to lynch some rapists, how do you think that would have gone down? Would the state suddenly be interested?

Being forced off your land by those means is, I put it to you, persecution and colonization. White flight does not occur in a vacuum.

We're not being multicultural by wiping out unique white cultures and replacing them with minority ones. We're being replaced. Cockney is one such culture now lost despite having existed for about a thousand years, and it's not the only one. It's not a matter of "We'll be fine there's still loads of us". That's also a form of anti-white racism, you're homogenizing a highly diverse and complex group of people with varied cultures and traditions into "white" and treating them as interchangeable.

Why is it more diverse and multicultural to have a Pakistani and a Yorkshireman than a Cockney and a Yorkshireman? It isn't. The notion it is relies on anti-white racism.

[Celritannia]

Is there any evidence to back this claim up?

You've got incidents like the rape gang scandals, the routine hostility and denigration of whites from the left wing media, the underrepresentation of whites on television and nonetheless hiring policies discriminating against them because of that overarching cultural narrative against them as oppressors, the routine denigration of them as not as productive as immigrants, the underfunding of the education system that allows multiculturalism to occur in the first place (since foreign experts can be hired instead, then the public gaslit and told it's good for them to be denied a proper education and to hire a foreigner instead, since it means less taxes) and how this fuels the stereotypes about them being stupid, and so on.

They're demonized and subjected to double standards routinely, and where crime occurs against them it isn't taken seriously.

This has resulted in the displacement of some of their historic communities and destruction of those cultures such as Cockneys.

Like the US manifesting destiny, a lot of it wasn't explicit state action against Indians. They simply let hooligans turn up who raped, shot, and harassed Indians until they moved while the government pretended not to notice, but would immediately get up in arms if the Indians defended themselves and accuse them of being evil savage criminals.

That's a similar dynamic to the one white folk in Britain face in many communities, such as those which had the rape gang scandals occur.

Being forced off your land by those means is, I put it to you, persecution and colonization.

1. Eh, it's not as serious as you think.

2. We mentioned that depends on the location of the place for the productions. The more urban the place, the more diverse the cast. All that matters is a good cast.

3. Also not true. That's more hearsay.

4. That's not even a thing. The whole point of Foreign experts is they are over here to work. The education of people over here still happens. But no, it is not because everyone is stupid, that's a fallacy.

This all seems to be just opinion based with no actual evidence. The demise of the cockneys is not the result of the multiculturalism.

Comparing what is happening in the UK to actual atrocities of the American West is absolutely stupid, to say the least.

Rape gangs are disgusting and should be arrested. But anyone can rape. We can;t just generalise one group. Yes it's true first generation people from sexual oppressed individuals are prone to rape more, but to say it's all this specific ethnic group is wrong.

The UK is 87% White British, no one is being forced off this land. It's a pathetic argument.

[Ostroeuropa]

You've got incidents like the rape gang scandals, the routine hostility and denigration of whites from the left wing media, the underrepresentation of whites on television and nonetheless hiring policies discriminating against them because of that overarching cultural narrative against them as oppressors, the routine denigration of them as not as productive as immigrants, the underfunding of the education system that allows multiculturalism to occur in the first place (since foreign experts can be hired instead, then the public gaslit and told it's good for them to be denied a proper education and to hire a foreigner instead, since it means less taxes) and how this fuels the stereotypes about them being stupid, and so on.

They're demonized and subjected to double standards routinely, and where crime occurs against them it isn't taken seriously.

This has resulted in the displacement of some of their historic communities and destruction of those cultures such as Cockneys.

Like the US manifesting destiny, a lot of it wasn't explicit state action against Indians. They simply let hooligans turn up who raped, shot, and harassed Indians until they moved while the government pretended not to notice, but would immediately get up in arms if the Indians defended themselves and accuse them of being evil savage criminals.

That's a similar dynamic to the one white folk in Britain face in many communities, such as those which had the rape gang scandals occur.

Being forced off your land by those means is, I put it to you, persecution and colonization.

1. Eh, it's not as serious as you think.

2. We mentioned that depends on the location of the place for the productions. The more urban the place, the more diverse the cast. All that matters is a good cast.

3. Also not true. That's more hearsay.

4. That's not even a thing. The whole point of Foreign experts is they are over here to work. The education of people over here still happens. But no, it is not because everyone is stupid, that's a fallacy.

This all seems to be just opinion based with no actual evidence. The demise of the cockneys is not the result of the multiculturalism.

Comparing what is happening in the UK to actual atrocities of the American West is absolutely stupid, to say the least.

The UK is 87% White British, no one is being forced off this land. It's a pathetic argument.

Be more specific with what you're referring to in your responses please.

Why do you claim the demise of Cockney isn't a result of multiculturalism exactly?

As to your last, racist, point:
We're not being multicultural by wiping out unique white cultures and replacing them with minority ones. We're being replaced. Cockney is one such culture now lost despite having existed for about a thousand years, and it's not the only one. It's not a matter of "We'll be fine there's still loads of us". That's also a form of anti-white racism, you're homogenizing a highly diverse and complex group of people with varied cultures and traditions into "white" and treating them as interchangeable.

Why is it more diverse and multicultural to have a Pakistani and a Yorkshireman than a Cockney and a Yorkshireman? It isn't. The notion it is relies on anti-white racism.

It'd be like me turning up and thinking that if we wipe out the Cherokee and destroy their culture that's alright because there's plenty of other red folk around here in north america, nothing of value has been lost.

You have decided that because 87% of the country is still white, the destruction of cockney culture is fine, no big deal.

You have decided their history and traditions can be ignored because they have a particular skin color.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Is there any evidence to back this claim up?

You've got incidents like the rape gang scandals, the routine hostility and denigration of whites from the left wing media, the underrepresentation of whites on television and nonetheless hiring policies discriminating against them because of that overarching cultural narrative against them as oppressors, the routine denigration of them as not as productive as immigrants, the underfunding of the education system that allows multiculturalism to occur in the first place (since foreign experts can be hired instead, then the public gaslit and told it's good for them to be denied a proper education and to hire a foreigner instead, since it means less taxes) and how this fuels the stereotypes about them being stupid, and so on.

They're demonized and subjected to double standards routinely, and where crime occurs against them it isn't taken seriously.

This has resulted in the displacement of some of their historic communities and destruction of those cultures such as Cockneys.

Like the US manifesting destiny, a lot of it wasn't explicit state action against Indians. They simply let hooligans turn up who raped, shot, and harassed Indians until they moved while the government pretended not to notice, but would immediately get up in arms if the Indians defended themselves and accuse them of being evil savage criminals who needed to be taught a lesson by the state.

That's a similar dynamic to the one white folk in Britain face in many communities, such as those which had the rape gang scandals occur. If they'd decided to organize together and form a Klan rally to lynch some rapists, how do you think that would have gone down? Would the state suddenly be interested?

Being forced off your land by those means is, I put it to you, persecution and colonization. White flight does not occur in a vacuum.

We're not being multicultural by wiping out unique white cultures and replacing them with minority ones. We're being replaced. Cockney is one such culture now lost despite having existed for about a thousand years, and it's not the only one. It's not a matter of "We'll be fine there's still loads of us". That's also a form of anti-white racism, you're homogenizing a highly diverse and complex group of people with varied cultures and traditions into "white" and treating them as interchangeable.

Why is it more diverse and multicultural to have a Pakistani and a Yorkshireman than a Cockney and a Yorkshireman? It isn't. The notion it is relies on anti-white racism.

It was really a horrific time when the Mughal Empire colonised Britain and killed tens of millions of Brits off through famine, wasn't it /s

I'm sorry, but this is literal "muh white genocide" and ignores colonial and neocolonial dynamics. The reason that these areas are poor, the reason that people migrate from them, is because of European colonialism.

[Ostroeuropa]

You've got incidents like the rape gang scandals, the routine hostility and denigration of whites from the left wing media, the underrepresentation of whites on television and nonetheless hiring policies discriminating against them because of that overarching cultural narrative against them as oppressors, the routine denigration of them as not as productive as immigrants, the underfunding of the education system that allows multiculturalism to occur in the first place (since foreign experts can be hired instead, then the public gaslit and told it's good for them to be denied a proper education and to hire a foreigner instead, since it means less taxes) and how this fuels the stereotypes about them being stupid, and so on.

They're demonized and subjected to double standards routinely, and where crime occurs against them it isn't taken seriously.

This has resulted in the displacement of some of their historic communities and destruction of those cultures such as Cockneys.

Like the US manifesting destiny, a lot of it wasn't explicit state action against Indians. They simply let hooligans turn up who raped, shot, and harassed Indians until they moved while the government pretended not to notice, but would immediately get up in arms if the Indians defended themselves and accuse them of being evil savage criminals who needed to be taught a lesson by the state.

That's a similar dynamic to the one white folk in Britain face in many communities, such as those which had the rape gang scandals occur. If they'd decided to organize together and form a Klan rally to lynch some rapists, how do you think that would have gone down? Would the state suddenly be interested?

Being forced off your land by those means is, I put it to you, persecution and colonization. White flight does not occur in a vacuum.

We're not being multicultural by wiping out unique white cultures and replacing them with minority ones. We're being replaced. Cockney is one such culture now lost despite having existed for about a thousand years, and it's not the only one. It's not a matter of "We'll be fine there's still loads of us". That's also a form of anti-white racism, you're homogenizing a highly diverse and complex group of people with varied cultures and traditions into "white" and treating them as interchangeable.

Why is it more diverse and multicultural to have a Pakistani and a Yorkshireman than a Cockney and a Yorkshireman? It isn't. The notion it is relies on anti-white racism.

It was really a horrific time when the Mughal Empire colonised Britain and killed tens of millions of Brits off through famine, wasn't it /s

I'm sorry, but this is literal "muh white genocide" and ignores colonial and neocolonial dynamics. The reason that these areas are poor, the reason that people migrate from them, is because of European colonialism.

That's certainly a reason these places are poor. But one injustice doesn't justify another. My grievance is also not with their nations, but with our government and ruling class.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

It was really a horrific time when the Mughal Empire colonised Britain and killed tens of millions of Brits off through famine, wasn't it /s

I'm sorry, but this is literal "muh white genocide" and ignores colonial and neocolonial dynamics. The reason that these areas are poor, the reason that people migrate from them, is because of European colonialism.

That's certainly a reason these places are poor. But one injustice doesn't justify another.

This isn't an injustice. Immigrants pay taxes, yet don't get welfare or the right to vote. You can't seriously be comparing disenfranchised people who pay taxes without welfare coming to our country to the greatest tragedies in human history, right?

[Celritannia]

1. Eh, it's not as serious as you think.

2. We mentioned that depends on the location of the place for the productions. The more urban the place, the more diverse the cast. All that matters is a good cast.

3. Also not true. That's more hearsay.

4. That's not even a thing. The whole point of Foreign experts is they are over here to work. The education of people over here still happens. But no, it is not because everyone is stupid, that's a fallacy.

This all seems to be just opinion based with no actual evidence. The demise of the cockneys is not the result of the multiculturalism.

Comparing what is happening in the UK to actual atrocities of the American West is absolutely stupid, to say the least.

The UK is 87% White British, no one is being forced off this land. It's a pathetic argument.

Be more specific with what you're referring to in your responses please.

Why do you claim the demise of Cockney isn't a result of multiculturalism exactly?

As to your last, racist, point:
We're not being multicultural by wiping out unique white cultures and replacing them with minority ones. We're being replaced. Cockney is one such culture now lost despite having existed for about a thousand years, and it's not the only one. It's not a matter of "We'll be fine there's still loads of us". That's also a form of anti-white racism, you're homogenizing a highly diverse and complex group of people with varied cultures and traditions into "white" and treating them as interchangeable.

Why is it more diverse and multicultural to have a Pakistani and a Yorkshireman than a Cockney and a Yorkshireman? It isn't. The notion it is relies on anti-white racism.

It'd be like me turning up and thinking that if we wipe out the Cherokee and destroy their culture that's alright because there's plenty of other red folk around here in north america, nothing of value has been lost.

You have decided that because 87% of the country is still white, the destruction of cockney culture is fine, no big deal.

You have decided their history and traditions can be ignored because they have a particular skin color.

The numbered points are refering to your paragraph.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that the cockney displacement the result of multiculturalism?
Let's also remember the Welsh language was almost removed until a revival of it in the 60s.

Racist point? How is anything I said racist? I am not the one comparing a horrible situation of the American West to multiculturalism that is supposedly replacing 87% of White British people.

You have used 0 evidence for any of your points. It's just ramblings.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's certainly a reason these places are poor. But one injustice doesn't justify another.

This isn't an injustice. Immigrants pay taxes, yet don't get welfare or the right to vote. You can't seriously be comparing disenfranchised people who pay taxes without welfare coming to our country to the greatest tragedies in human history, right?

I don't blame the immigrants, I blame our ruling class and our government. Allowing immigrants to do these jobs, pay taxes, and so on, means that our economy becomes reliant on them and our public institutions become underfunded, since we end up utilizing foreign systems for producing skilled workers. This results in the gradual degradation of communities, education services, and so on, as the funds necessary to keep them running dry up.