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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:18 am

Albennia wrote:Did anyone bother to talk about the man who starved to death thanks to the DWP? Or were people too busy singing the praises of anarcho-capitalism?

I mentioned it in another thread.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:19 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Time for the UK to finally stop bowing down to globalism


brexit is a globalist project

did you literally just miss the government going on and on about how they can't wait to strike all these cool new trade deals, open up the markets and maybe even become the singapore of europe
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Postby Albennia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:21 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Albennia wrote:Did anyone bother to talk about the man who starved to death thanks to the DWP? Or were people too busy singing the praises of anarcho-capitalism?

Ah, okay. Is there any link?

sure

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Time for the UK to finally stop bowing down to globalism

Agreed, let's bow down to the Americans instead

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Postby Albennia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:23 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Time for the UK to finally stop bowing down to globalism


brexit is a globalist project

did you literally just miss the government going on and on about how they can't wait to strike all these cool new trade deals, open up the markets and maybe even become the singapore of europe

Anyone who talks about Britain being "Singapore-on-Thames" or anything similar positively should be banned from government tbh.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:24 am

Troubled rail company Northern is to be brought under government control.

The decision, which will see the firm's franchise stripped from operator Arriva Rail North from 1 March, was taken following years of major disruption.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51298820
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
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Postby Albennia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:25 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Troubled rail company Northern is to be brought under government control.

The decision, which will see the firm's franchise stripped from operator Arriva Rail North from 1 March, was taken following years of major disruption.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51298820

The government should put me in charge and give me an unlimited budget. We need to build a Northern Shinkansen.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:28 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Time for the UK to finally stop bowing down to globalism


brexit is a globalist project

did you literally just miss the government going on and on about how they can't wait to strike all these cool new trade deals, open up the markets and maybe even become the singapore of europe


Economically that might be desirable in many ways tbh.

Singapores government owns all the land, and allocates the housing to citizens if they don't have one, producing a 90% home owner rate. Its schools are vigorously meritocratic and they've got laws to pressure private schools into being mostly public ones for bright students, with only a minority being paid placements.
Adults get free education and funds are set aside for them to train with.

They frequently do automatic "Quality of life" consumer good deposits. This year the government decided everyone needs a HD Digital TV, and so everyone got a voucher specifically for this purpose which the government promised companies they would exchange for money. (This is controversial, as some people allege it's crony capitalism and often the consumer goods the government up and decides everyone needs lines up pretty suspiciously with financial interests in bed with the government, however, imo, it's a step above our current "We'll give them money, and you get literally nothing" system. At least in Singapore, they get a free high quality tv. Applying it here it'd be like; "Oh, we're going to hire private security for every street corner now I guess. Also, suddenly, the trains are free. Just don't look too hard at the corporate subsidies this entails.", which doesn't sound too bad.)

None of this is means tested either.


I sorely doubt our government wants to actually be Singapore.
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Postby Albennia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:30 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
brexit is a globalist project

did you literally just miss the government going on and on about how they can't wait to strike all these cool new trade deals, open up the markets and maybe even become the singapore of europe


Economically that might be desirable in many ways tbh.

Singapores government owns all the land, and allocates the housing to citizens if they don't have one, producing a 90% home owner rate. Its schools are vigorously meritocratic and they've got laws to pressure private schools into being mostly public ones for bright students, with only a minority being paid placements.
Adults get free education and funds are set aside for them to train with.

They frequently do automatic "Quality of life" consumer good deposits. This year the government decided everyone needs a HD Digital TV, and so everyone got a voucher specifically for this purpose which the government promised companies they would exchange for money.

None of this is means tested either.


I sorely doubt our government wants to actually be Singapore.

Yes, the lack of understanding of what Singapore is actually like displayed by the "Singapore-on-Thames" types is almost as disturbing as their proposed future for Britain.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:31 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
brexit is a globalist project

did you literally just miss the government going on and on about how they can't wait to strike all these cool new trade deals, open up the markets and maybe even become the singapore of europe


Economically that might be desirable in many ways tbh.

Singapores government owns all the land, and allocates the housing to citizens if they don't have one, producing a 90% home owner rate. Its schools are vigorously meritocratic and they've got laws to pressure private schools into being mostly public ones for bright students, with only a minority being paid placements.
Adults get free education and funds are set aside for them to train with.

They frequently do automatic "Quality of life" consumer good deposits. This year the government decided everyone needs a HD Digital TV, and so everyone got a voucher specifically for this purpose which the government promised companies they would exchange for money. (This is controversial, as some people allege it's crony capitalism and often the consumer goods the government up and decides everyone needs lines up pretty suspiciously with financial interests in bed with the government, however, imo, it's a step above our current "We'll give them money, and you get literally nothing" system. At least in Singapore, they get a free tv.).

None of this is means tested either.


I sorely doubt our government wants to actually be Singapore.

Is it just me or can people hear Purgatio's veins popping out of their skull?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:35 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Economically that might be desirable in many ways tbh.

Singapores government owns all the land, and allocates the housing to citizens if they don't have one, producing a 90% home owner rate. Its schools are vigorously meritocratic and they've got laws to pressure private schools into being mostly public ones for bright students, with only a minority being paid placements.
Adults get free education and funds are set aside for them to train with.

They frequently do automatic "Quality of life" consumer good deposits. This year the government decided everyone needs a HD Digital TV, and so everyone got a voucher specifically for this purpose which the government promised companies they would exchange for money. (This is controversial, as some people allege it's crony capitalism and often the consumer goods the government up and decides everyone needs lines up pretty suspiciously with financial interests in bed with the government, however, imo, it's a step above our current "We'll give them money, and you get literally nothing" system. At least in Singapore, they get a free tv.).

None of this is means tested either.


I sorely doubt our government wants to actually be Singapore.

Is it just me or can people hear Purgatio's veins popping out of their skull?


I was too busy trying to ponder what mandatory consumer goods would improve quality of life in the UK.

I'm thinking Roombas tbh.

Here, you can get a white goods grant from the government if you're on welfare. Not many people know about it though.

Basically you have to be like; "Hey, I don't own a fridge." and they reply "BUY ONE YOURSELF!!!" and you say "I can't, I spent all my money." and they angrily fish around in their pockets for some change before shoving it into your hands and demanding you show them the receipt within a month or else prison.

The list of goods which apply is pretty broad though and covers basically any essential, including the catch-all, "Other essential white goods".

I got a fridge from them a few years ago by doing it.

But that's not quite the same as the government one day deciding;

"Know what? Everyone needs a high tech, top of the line, two-thousand pound refrigerator. The ones you can run skyrim on. Everyone. Everyone in the country shall have the same fridge. And next year, we'll buy everyone the same television. After that we might decide everyone needs a tailored suit.", etc.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:44 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Albennia wrote:Did anyone bother to talk about the man who starved to death thanks to the DWP? Or were people too busy singing the praises of anarcho-capitalism?

I mentioned it in another thread.

Something something reduce the surplus population something something.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:00 am

Souseiseki wrote:souseiseki, 2016: lol northern ireland and their flegs how silly
souseiseki, 2020: the fleg of europe absolutely must continue to fly at the scottish parliament

It's not too late to get an EU fleg tattoo before the Tories scrap health and safety legislation and getting a tattoo becomes like playing Russian roulette.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:souseiseki, 2016: lol northern ireland and their flegs how silly
souseiseki, 2020: the fleg of europe absolutely must continue to fly at the scottish parliament

It's not too late to get an EU fleg tattoo before the Tories scrap health and safety legislation and getting a tattoo becomes like playing Russian roulette.

Makes me glad I have already got mine. Not got an EU one though.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:31 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:Is it just me or can people hear Purgatio's veins popping out of their skull?


I was too busy trying to ponder what mandatory consumer goods would improve quality of life in the UK.

I'm thinking Roombas tbh.

Here, you can get a white goods grant from the government if you're on welfare. Not many people know about it though.

Basically you have to be like; "Hey, I don't own a fridge." and they reply "BUY ONE YOURSELF!!!" and you say "I can't, I spent all my money." and they angrily fish around in their pockets for some change before shoving it into your hands and demanding you show them the receipt within a month or else prison.

The list of goods which apply is pretty broad though and covers basically any essential, including the catch-all, "Other essential white goods".

I got a fridge from them a few years ago by doing it.

But that's not quite the same as the government one day deciding;

"Know what? Everyone needs a high tech, top of the line, two-thousand pound refrigerator. The ones you can run skyrim on. Everyone. Everyone in the country shall have the same fridge. And next year, we'll buy everyone the same television. After that we might decide everyone needs a tailored suit.", etc.


Not anymore. These days it's a loan that they take payments back on out of your benefits.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:49 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's not too late to get an EU fleg tattoo before the Tories scrap health and safety legislation and getting a tattoo becomes like playing Russian roulette.

Makes me glad I have already got mine. Not got an EU one though.


And how do you expect to enter the EU then? :eyebrow:

We are making having EU flag tattoos mandatory for entry here.

Council of Europe flags are acceptable too.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:19 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Makes me glad I have already got mine. Not got an EU one though.


And how do you expect to enter the EU then? :eyebrow:

We are making having EU flag tattoos mandatory for entry here.

Council of Europe flags are acceptable too.

I'll get it on my eyeball in fluorescent ink, like a replicant serial number.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:25 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
And how do you expect to enter the EU then? :eyebrow:

We are making having EU flag tattoos mandatory for entry here.

Council of Europe flags are acceptable too.

I'll get it on my eyeball in fluorescent ink, like a replicant serial number.

You probably actually could. I wouldn't advise it, though.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:30 am

WIll capital punishment and hanging be re-introduced?

*Rotherham glows omniously in the background*
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:32 am

Nakena wrote:WIll Capital Punishment and hanging be re-introduced?

*Rotherham glows omniously in the background*

Not until the UK repeals the Human Rights Act and leaves the Council of Europe, which the Tories said wouldn't happen so it probably will happen.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:33 am

Nakena wrote:WIll capital punishment and hanging be re-introduced?

*Rotherham glows omniously in the background*


Why would it be?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:38 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nakena wrote:WIll capital punishment and hanging be re-introduced?

*Rotherham glows omniously in the background*


Why would it be?

Doling out panem is off the table, so it'll have to be circenses.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why would it be?

Doling out panem is off the table, so it'll have to be circenses.

What better way to reduce the strain on social services than executing "criminals" for reasons?
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:54 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'll get it on my eyeball in fluorescent ink, like a replicant serial number.

You probably actually could. I wouldn't advise it, though.

Yeah they'd probably change the design or something after I got it and it'd be very difficult to change or remove it. :meh:
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Albennia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:10 am

Nakena wrote:WIll capital punishment and hanging be re-introduced?

*Rotherham glows omniously in the background*

Imagine unironically wanting to bring back capital punishment

Sure, if you want to kill innocent Welshmen and then justify it with the 9/11 XKCD compromise theory.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:14 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Troubled rail company Northern is to be brought under government control.

The decision, which will see the firm's franchise stripped from operator Arriva Rail North from 1 March, was taken following years of major disruption.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51298820

Think I used to get some of those Liverpool to Manchester and back. They were pretty shitty iirc, but it's hard to tell them apart a lot of the time.

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