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UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

Yes
56
67%
No
14
17%
No *vote amended by GRU*
13
16%
 
Total votes : 83

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It's a bit more complicated than that. It is not a simple matter of "line vs lives". The way in which the government messed up the early stages of the lockdown has given us both more deaths AND a line that has gone further down.

I should also mention that the "wiggly line" going down has impacts on jobs, usually leads to cuts in welfare,

Which is to say, the Tories will take advantage of economic hardship to cut welfare at a time when people need it most. It isn't the case that the line going down automatically cuts welfare, welfare payments are not calculated as a function of the line, it's that there are a powerful cadre of people who are ideologically opposed to welfare in and of itself.


The New California Republic wrote:That was actually one of the questions I had during the independence referendum: where would Scotland obtain military hardware from? The rUK likely wouldn't sell it to them, and I can guarantee they'd remove everything when the MOD bases were withdrawn.

Somehow I don't think that the same people who routinely sign off on sales of arms to Saudi Arabia will balk at the idea of taking a few hundred million of these strange new Scottish pounds for some guns and tanks and maybe a wee warship.


Sure, but Saudi Arabia spends some 10% of GDP on defense. Someone will sell you stuff, but it will not be cheap.
Having the rest of the U.K. shoulder the cost means Scotland does not have to spend as much.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:17 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:It is also entirely possible that a number of nearby countries, out of the goodness of their hearts, will be more than willing to provide the Republic of Scotland with a variety of decently priced military hardware.


Just say the French.


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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:07 am

Souseiseki wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Just say the French.

unironically getting the EU to support scotland to troll the english would be master stroke of foreign policy and secure us for the next 15-30 years

And even if Spain vetoes a full EU membership of Scotland, there is no reason why Scotland can't be offered the same deal as, let's say, Norway.


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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:That was actually one of the questions I had during the independence referendum: where would Scotland obtain military hardware from? The rUK likely wouldn't sell it to them, and I can guarantee they'd remove everything when the MOD bases were withdrawn.

Somehow I don't think that the same people who routinely sign off on sales of arms to Saudi Arabia will balk at the idea of taking a few hundred million of these strange new Scottish pounds for some guns and tanks and maybe a wee warship.

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...I suppose you are right. :lol2:
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:47 pm

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