NationStates

Ifreann wrote:The ravens are straying from the Tower of London, which portents the fall of the crown and UK.

Grimmsland wrote:

Ifreann wrote:The ravens are straying from the Tower of London, which portents the fall of the crown and UK.

“Never in a raven’s history have we seen fewer people in the Tower of London. Even in world war two, there were still hundreds in and around.” - Wow.

This is a cool photo.

Celritannia wrote:This map by the Lib Dems for STV constituencies is sexy.
I just wish it listed the numer odf seats each area would get.

The New California Republic wrote:

Celritannia wrote:This map by the Lib Dems for STV constituencies is sexy.
I just wish it listed the numer odf seats each area would get.

My eyes went to Scotland at first, and saw that the yellowish areas, which I tend to interpret as SNP whenever I see it on constituency maps, were very few indeed. But then my heart sank, as I noticed that there were also yellow areas in England, Wales, and NI; meaning that it couldn't possibly mean SNP.

But what do the colours actually mean? There is no key on the map for those colours. Am I missing something really obvious?

EDIT: Is it constituencies that are being merged under that proposed STV plan?

Celritannia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:My eyes went to Scotland at first, and saw that the yellowish areas, which I tend to interpret as SNP whenever I see it on constituency maps, were very few indeed. But then my heart sank, as I noticed that there were also yellow areas in England, Wales, and NI; meaning that it couldn't possibly mean SNP.

But what do the colours actually mean? There is no key on the map for those colours. Am I missing something really obvious?

EDIT: Is it constituencies that are being merged under that proposed STV plan?

I wish it gave a colour code for the areas. I am assuming they represent the number of MPs to each constituency.
Maybe Arch knows a bit more.

That's what it appears to be, using the established countries, districts and boroughs of the UK.

Celritannia wrote:I wish it gave a colour code for the areas. I am assuming they represent the number of MPs to each constituency.
Maybe Arch knows a bit more.

That's what it appears to be, using the established countries, districts and boroughs of the UK.

Vassenor wrote:I just wish they'd picked a less eye-searing shade of magenta.

The New California Republic wrote:I was wondering why I have been needing to wear my sunglasses more often as of late, perhaps it is because my area has turned neon pink without my noticing.

Philjia wrote:Nick Gibb, the minister for School Standards, is dropping his boss Gavin Williamson in the shit by saying that the former director general of the Department for Education warned the secretary of state about problems with the system in July.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I was wondering why I have been needing to wear my sunglasses more often as of late, perhaps it is because my area has turned neon pink without my noticing.

Oddly enough, you can't actually see pink. It's an impossible colour. Your brain just makes it up when it can't figure out what the fuck is going on.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:I was wondering why I have been needing to wear my sunglasses more often as of late, perhaps it is because my area has turned neon pink without my noticing.

Oddly enough, you can't actually see pink. It's an impossible colour. Your brain just makes it up when it can't figure out what the fuck is going on.

The New California Republic wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Oddly enough, you can't actually see pink. It's an impossible colour. Your brain just makes it up when it can't figure out what the fuck is going on.

There are actually quite a few "colours" of that general area of pink/magenta etc that sear my eyes so badly that it actually causes physical pain. No joke. I present the same colour to other people and they don't have a problem with it.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:There are actually quite a few "colours" of that general area of pink/magenta etc that sear my eyes so badly that it actually causes physical pain. No joke. I present the same colour to other people and they don't have a problem with it.

Then apparently your brain refuses to see a combination of red and purple without hurting you. You would have sucked at being a little girl.

The New California Republic wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Then apparently your brain refuses to see a combination of red and purple without hurting you. You would have sucked at being a little girl.

Yeah I dunno if it might actually be a psychosomatic response, perhaps I associate those colours with a painful memory that I have repressed or whatever; but I'm leaning more towards it actually being physical in nature as it makes my eyes genuinely hurt.

Thankfully there aren't any political parties in the UK whose primary colour has that effect on me, because at least in that regard they are sensible. But then again I bet there is some obscure single-issue party out there that does use such a colour.

Salandriagado wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Yeah I dunno if it might actually be a psychosomatic response, perhaps I associate those colours with a painful memory that I have repressed or whatever; but I'm leaning more towards it actually being physical in nature as it makes my eyes genuinely hurt.

Thankfully there aren't any political parties in the UK whose primary colour has that effect on me, because at least in that regard they are sensible. But then again I bet there is some obscure single-issue party out there that does use such a colour.

Wikipedia has a handy colour-coded list. Advance Together seems like the closest to me?

Celritannia wrote:This map by the Lib Dems for STV constituencies is sexy.
I just wish it listed the numer odf seats each area would get.

This one is also similar, including a linked Google Doc spread sheet on the numbers of each constituencies as the top comment.

Although, compared to the Lib-Dem map, the second map shows some constituencies that have been merged which I disagree with.

For simplicity, this scheme keeps the existing numbers of MPs from each of the UK’s four
nations, with overall total 650, only changing the way in which they are elected. Constituencies
are based entirely on Local Authority (LA) boundaries, electing mostly 3 to 5 MPs in rural
areas and 4 to 6 in urban areas, with a few exceptions dictated by electoral numbers and
geography

Once boundaries have been chosen, and a target quota of electors per seat fixed,
the entitlement of each constituency can be calculated; this is then rounded up or down to
a whole number, with the cutoff chosen to minimise the proportional discrepancy between
entitlement and allocation

The target quota is chosen so as to give the desired overall total
of seats (533, 59, 40, 18 for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland respectively).
Some typical constitutencies, with numbers of seats in brackets,are as follows: Bristol (4),
Liverpool (4), Glasgow (6), Falkirk & West Lothian (4), Cornwall & Scilly (6), Lewisham &
Greenwich (5), Yorkshire East (East Riding and Hull) (6), Bedford and Milton Keynes (4),
West Glamorgan (Swansea and Neath Port Talbot) (5), Northern Ireland West (Fermanagh
and Omagh, Derry and Strabane, and Mid Ulster) (4). Only one LA, Birmingham with an
entitlement of 10 seats, has to be split. Almost all the amalgamations fit with traditional
county boundaries; only three cross county council boundaries.

Perhaps surprisingly, given the rule of not dividing LAs, so that for example a constituency
with entitlement 3.51 gets rounded up to an allocation of 4 seats, the overall variability of
electors per seat, ±6%, is less than that of the current FPTP system, which was 7% when it
was introduced in 2007 and has since drifted out to nearly 10%. In contrast, the variability
of the STV system does not drift over time, because it can be updated very easily each year,
adjusting the number of seats in a constituency rather than changing boundaries; data for
England 2003-19 show that none of the proposed boundaries would have had to be changed
over that period, with the single exception of Leeds, whose entitlement has varied between 7
and 8; about a quarter of constituencies would have seen their entitlement go up or down during
the period. This stability in constituency boundaries, and their close fit to the structure of local
government, are major additional attractions to both voters and representatives, quite apart
from the basic motives of fairness, voter choice and proportionality underlying the scheme.

Ifreann wrote:The ravens are straying from the Tower of London, which portents the fall of the crown and UK.

The Blaatschapen wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/20/eu-rejects-british-plan-for-post-brexit-return-of-asylum-seekers

Better start patrolling the waves. No take backsies.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I don't have a very high opinion of policy wonks who think that constitutional flimflam and how you produce parliamentary majorities are major priorities in current year.

The Archregimancy wrote:All of that said... I thought the map was fairly straightforward myself, but perhaps that's because I'm more engaged with LibDem thinking. Urban seats get 4-6 members, rural seats get 3-5 members; the Western Isles and Orkney & Shetland continue to get single members (so that's one guaranteed LibDem seat - though also a guaranteed SNP seat). Colours on the map represent the boundaries of the proposed constituencies. So in Scotland, the three Ayrshire districts become a single STV constituency, while Fife is a single constituency

For a clearer map containing the full list of seats by constituency, you simply click on this link, which contains both the map and the full schedule (including the list of the local authorities forming each proposed constituency):

https://lder.org/wp-content/uploads/201 ... dule-1.pdf

Celritannia wrote:This map by the Lib Dems for STV constituencies is sexy.
I just wish it listed the numer odf seats each area would get.

This one is also similar, including a linked Google Doc spread sheet on the numbers of each constituencies as the top comment.

Although, compared to the Lib-Dem map, the second map shows some constituencies that have been merged which I disagree with.

One I will mention since I live in West Yorkshire is Kirklees and Calderdale. The second map shows a joint Kirklees-Calderdale Constituency with a total of 6 MPS.
Neither of them should be merged as the former is more urban and the latter more rural.
As a reference, the current constituencies in Kirklees have a combined total of 4 MPS, while Calderdale has 3.

With this in mind, it would make more sense to keep the 2 separate, as the Lib-Dem map has done.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

The Blaatschapen wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/20/eu-rejects-british-plan-for-post-brexit-return-of-asylum-seekers

Better start patrolling the waves. No take backsies.

I've just got off the phone with a lovely Greek chap. He's advised that illegal migrants in the sea are actually the responsibility of Poseidon. We'll have to convert to Hellenism to carry this off, but since C of E Anglo-Jesus didn't stop a Tory Brexit maybe we can do better. Rather than spending that £350m extra a week on the NHS it might be better to use it to loan Scylla and Charybdis until this all blows over.