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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

Yes
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No
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No *vote amended by GRU*
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Total votes : 83

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Postby Crysuko » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:24 am

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Never underestimate the stunning incompetence of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Wiffwaff Johnson

if he runs out of all the normal political fuck ups, he'll invent new ones.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:07 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
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The Civil Service is so integral to the British Government now that it would be impossible to remove.

Never underestimate the stunning incompetence of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Wiffwaff Johnson


Well in the words of Crysuko - My little crony: corruption is magic

Also, I think that should be the title for the next rendition of the UK politics thread.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:31 pm

No sympathy for the government from any of the papers on this mornings front pages. The Daily Mail portraying Johnson and Williamson as Laurel and Hardy...

It will also mean a whole load of young voters already pissed off at the Conservative Party. Johnson is actually making May seem strong and stable in retrospect.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:56 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:No sympathy for the government from any of the papers on this mornings front pages. The Daily Mail portraying Johnson and Williamson as Laurel and Hardy...

It will also mean a whole load of young voters already pissed off at the Conservative Party. Johnson is actually making May seem strong and stable in retrospect.


That's harsh on Laurel and Hardy.

Johnson and Cummings pulled too many of the metaphorical Jenga pieces out of the already wobbly tower May left behind.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:56 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:No sympathy for the government from any of the papers on this mornings front pages. The Daily Mail portraying Johnson and Williamson as Laurel and Hardy...

It will also mean a whole load of young voters already pissed off at the Conservative Party. Johnson is actually making May seem strong and stable in retrospect.

I'm reminded (sorry, Arch -- this may be painful) of young voters' punishing the Lib Dems for voting to raise tuition fees while in coalition. The percentage of young people who would vote Lib Dem dropped from 44% in 2010 (pre-coalition) to 13% in 2014.

Johnson and Co. should probably not be so careless about aggravating potential voters. Not to mention that I think it likely that voters from those traditionally Labour working class areas (all those loaned votes they needed to win) will remember that it was (in the main) their children who got screwed over, their children's futures that were messed around with...
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:12 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:No sympathy for the government from any of the papers on this mornings front pages. The Daily Mail portraying Johnson and Williamson as Laurel and Hardy...

It will also mean a whole load of young voters already pissed off at the Conservative Party. Johnson is actually making May seem strong and stable in retrospect.

I'm reminded (sorry, Arch -- this may be painful) of young voters' punishing the Lib Dems for voting to raise tuition fees while in coalition.


Don't worry, I amputated that limb some time ago.

It only brings me phantom pain now.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:14 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I'm reminded (sorry, Arch -- this may be painful) of young voters' punishing the Lib Dems for voting to raise tuition fees while in coalition.


Don't worry, I amputated that limb some time ago.

It only brings me phantom pain now.


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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:24 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Don't worry, I amputated that limb some time ago.

It only brings me phantom pain now.


Ghosted, like Nick Clegg.

I preferred The Right Honourable Lord Campbell of Pittenweem anyway.

I might be a bit biased though as he did a favour for my Father years back...
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Postby North American Imperial State » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:31 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Don't worry, I amputated that limb some time ago.

It only brings me phantom pain now.


Ghosted, like Nick Clegg.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:32 am

Have to see if young people’s anger will translate into in the next election or not
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Have to see if young people’s anger will translate into in the next election or not


Years away they likely will forget and vote Tory by then.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:53 am

Greed and Death wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Have to see if young people’s anger will translate into in the next election or not


Years away they likely will forget and vote Tory by then.


Assuming that they vote at all.

You're so hopeful about today's youth :)
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:03 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Have to see if young people’s anger will translate into in the next election or not


More likely they’ll post about it on twitter or Facebook.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:26 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
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Years away they likely will forget and vote Tory by then.


Assuming that they vote at all.

You're so hopeful about today's youth :)


I for one welcome one party Tory rule.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:20 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Have to see if young people’s anger will translate into in the next election or not


I suspect that those young people who are 16/17/18 during this pandemic, will feel the effects of their missed schooling for a long time. Employers may prefer to take on people whose grades weren't estimated.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:27 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Have to see if young people’s anger will translate into in the next election or not


I suspect that those young people who are 16/17/18 during this pandemic, will feel the effects of their missed schooling for a long time. Employers may prefer to take on people whose grades weren't estimated.


There's not many jobs that take A level results is there? it's pretty much GCSE's or degree now I thought.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:38 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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I suspect that those young people who are 16/17/18 during this pandemic, will feel the effects of their missed schooling for a long time. Employers may prefer to take on people whose grades weren't estimated.


There's not many jobs that take A level results is there? it's pretty much GCSE's or degree now I thought.


The jobs don't need to be decided on the basis of A level results. If employers get a lot of applications for a job they will use anything that conveniently narrows the field.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:47 am

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Ostroeuropa wrote:There's not many jobs that take A level results is there? it's pretty much GCSE's or degree now I thought.


The jobs don't need to be decided on the basis of A level results. If employers get a lot of applications for a job they will use anything that conveniently narrows the field.

Personality counts for a lot. All other things being equal, they will pick a cheerful person over someone who is dead inside.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:52 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The jobs don't need to be decided on the basis of A level results. If employers get a lot of applications for a job they will use anything that conveniently narrows the field.

Personality counts for a lot. All other things being equal, they will pick a cheerful person over someone who is dead inside.

I would think that most employers would prefer someone who's dead inside, as they'll fit in with the office culture.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Personality counts for a lot. All other things being equal, they will pick a cheerful person over someone who is dead inside.

I would think that most employers would prefer someone who's dead inside, as they'll fit in with the office culture.

That's a consequence not a prerequisite.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Personality counts for a lot. All other things being equal, they will pick a cheerful person over someone who is dead inside.

I would think that most employers would prefer someone who's dead inside, as they'll fit in with the office culture.


I miss the old days where the job interview was going for drinks and doing blow off strippers. Office culture was far more interesting then.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:02 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The jobs don't need to be decided on the basis of A level results. If employers get a lot of applications for a job they will use anything that conveniently narrows the field.

Personality counts for a lot. All other things being equal, they will pick a cheerful person over someone who is dead inside.


If you are still at the stage of whittling 2000 applications down to a number of people to interview personality is not counting for much at all.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:03 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The jobs don't need to be decided on the basis of A level results. If employers get a lot of applications for a job they will use anything that conveniently narrows the field.

Personality counts for a lot. All other things being equal, they will pick a cheerful person over someone who is dead inside.


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:05 am

Relentlessly cheery people are a fucking pain to work with. Everyone ends up hating them.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:07 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Relentlessly cheery people are a fucking pain to work with. Everyone ends up hating them.

As with everything there are limits, someone who is pathologically cheery might have serious issues.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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