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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

Yes
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No
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17%
No *vote amended by GRU*
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Total votes : 83

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Postby Crysuko » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:30 am

I always have a mini heart attack when I see a mod post.

crap, what if I sleepshitposted?
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:40 am

Crysuko wrote:I always have a mini heart attack when I see a mod post.

crap, what if I sleepshitposted?

Since Arch posts here frequently he can't make any rulings here. The fists are encased in giant balls of cotton wool upon entering.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:41 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?


The United Kingdom already has an Official Monster Raving Loony Party, who may not be the loonies we deserve, but are at least in a grand tradition of mostly harmless British loonies.

Would Howling Laud Hope, Baron Von Thunderclap, or The Incredible Flying Brick throw paint at the HQs of other parties.

They would not.

I for one stand with the OMRLP in rejecting this latest outbreak of serious looniness, and calling for a return to good old fashioned harmless loony values.


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Postby Philjia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:42 am

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"Citizen-led decision making" and "[N]either the government nor any of the political parties are effectively standing up for the planet" make them sound like green anarchists.

They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.

It's Roger Hallam, who's been disavowed by XR for being a bit of a crypto fascist.
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:45 am

Philjia wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.

It's Roger Hallam, who's been disavowed by XR for being a bit of a crypto fascist.

Eco fascism is a meme
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:45 am

Philjia wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.

It's Roger Hallam, who's been disavowed by XR for being a bit of a crypto fascist.


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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:05 am

Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:07 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Philjia wrote:It's Roger Hallam, who's been disavowed by XR for being a bit of a crypto fascist.


where do I join?


At the windmill with the swastika sails.
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Postby North German Realm » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:08 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.

Eh, it's not like it's gonna be any worse than this, huh
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:14 am

North German Realm wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.

Eh, it's not like it's gonna be any worse than this, huh


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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:17 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.

Eww, the Queen.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:38 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.


Newsflash: your side lost the civil war.
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.


Newsflash: your side lost the civil war.

worry not, absolute monarchists are essentially non-existant here
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:52 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers?


Is there a difference? Are not “political party” and “a bunch of attention seeking tossers” completely redundant?
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:54 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?

"Beyond Politics Party" is such a contradiction in terms. It's like saying "beyond fascism fascists"...

And they seem like total wankers, looking at what creepy weirdness they were doing:

Beyond Politics's Twitter feed shows a man dressed as a priest and a woman in a pink T-shirt standing outside Conservative Party HQ in Matthew Parker Street, holding a banner saying: "Treason, Treason, Treason."


But total wankers kind of goes with the political party thing.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:56 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?


The United Kingdom already has an Official Monster Raving Loony Party, who may not be the loonies we deserve, but are at least in a grand tradition of mostly harmless British loonies.

Would Howling Laud Hope, Baron Von Thunderclap, or The Incredible Flying Brick throw paint at the HQs of other parties.

They would not.

I for one stand with the OMRLP in rejecting this latest outbreak of serious looniness, and calling for a return to good old fashioned harmless loony values.


Worst I ever recall the OMRLP doing was their local candidate tying a bunch of inflatable bananas to his car and repeatedly blocking traffic by parking it in the middle of crossroads.
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Postby Celritannia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:23 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
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Them lot? FFS.
I am all for strong environmental policies, but this is just stupid.

It gets better, their entire raison d'etre is collapse the government, replace with citizens councils (Reign of Terror style from the sounds of it), 'fix' the country, then resign.


That's just...
I can't...
WTF?

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Postby Celritannia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:24 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Enough with these stupid parties and give the Queen a chance to govern.

Eww, the Queen.


I mean, she has more experience than the entire cabinet put together.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:30 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Philjia wrote:It's Roger Hallam, who's been disavowed by XR for being a bit of a crypto fascist.


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Postby Novus America » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:43 am

Celritannia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Eww, the Queen.


I mean, she has more experience than the entire cabinet put together.


In looking pretty, not in actually running government.
We have no idea what she would do, if anything, if she was in charge.

That being said we do not know that she would be worse than the incompetent circus that is Parliament.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:50 am

Novus America wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I mean, she has more experience than the entire cabinet put together.


In looking pretty, not in actually running government.
We have no idea what she would do, if anything, if she was in charge.

That being said we do not know that she would be worse than the incompetent circus that is Parliament.


So you're telling me that the person who has advised every single PM since Churchill Mk2 has no experience. Huh.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Novus America wrote:
In looking pretty, not in actually running government.
We have no idea what she would do, if anything, if she was in charge.

That being said we do not know that she would be worse than the incompetent circus that is Parliament.


So you're telling me that the person who has advised every single PM since Churchill Mk2 has no experience. Huh.


And what advice was that?
Also giving advice does not equal experience. Sure she has been around a long time, has seen stuff and knows stuff, but she has never actually run a government. I mean most people her age probably have seen a lot and like to give advice to younger people and what not, but experience running a government requires actually running a government, something she has not done.

What policies does she even support? How would she implement them? Does she even know? We certainly do not.

I mean given your current circus she might not be worse, but we do not have any reason to believe she would implement the policies you want. Actually she is probably FAR more conservative than you.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Celritannia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:20 am

Novus America wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I mean, she has more experience than the entire cabinet put together.


In looking pretty, not in actually running government.
We have no idea what she would do, if anything, if she was in charge.

That being said we do not know that she would be worse than the incompetent circus that is Parliament.


There is also the Privy Council, which is made up of current and former politicians, including PMs, memebers of the Shadow Cabinet, the Judiciary from the UK and the devolved countries, not to mention some members from the Commonwealth Realm.
And it has not been too out of the way for the Privy Council to make Orders-In-Council.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:26 am

Celritannia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
In looking pretty, not in actually running government.
We have no idea what she would do, if anything, if she was in charge.

That being said we do not know that she would be worse than the incompetent circus that is Parliament.


There is also the Privy Council, which is made up of current and former politicians, including PMs, memebers of the Shadow Cabinet, the Judiciary from the UK and the devolved countries, not to mention some members from the Commonwealth Realm.
And it has not been too out of the way for the Privy Council to make Orders-In-Council.


Okay sure, but if you are talking about the Privy Council making decisions that is different than Elizabeth making decisions.

She would probably be little more than their puppet. And the Prime Minister largely controls the Privy Council anyways. It basically acts when the PM tells it to act, and the PK chooses who sits on which meetings.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Celritannia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:30 am

Novus America wrote:
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There is also the Privy Council, which is made up of current and former politicians, including PMs, memebers of the Shadow Cabinet, the Judiciary from the UK and the devolved countries, not to mention some members from the Commonwealth Realm.
And it has not been too out of the way for the Privy Council to make Orders-In-Council.


Okay sure, but if you are talking about the Privy Council making decisions that is different than Elizabeth making decisions.


I said she has the experience, experience also requires a ruler to have the best people for the job by them, which is what the Privy council used to be, and sometimes still is.

It is still true to say she has more experience than the current cabinet, having reigned over 14 different UK governments in her lifetime.

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But I am not saying this should happen. I think the UK government takes advantage of the Royal Prerogative too often, and for that reason there should be an independent committee for it.
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