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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:57 am

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Military police have been called in to investigate a racist hate crime carried out at a British Army base in Cyprus.

A black soldier found racist graffiti sprayed on his car at Dhekelia camp, currently home to troops from 1st Battalion, The Princess Of Wales's Royal Regiment.

Photographs show a racist word sprayed on his car. The car was parked inside the camp behind security fencing and gates.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53780094

Uh....what racist word is paint sprayed there?


Article says the Nword is there my guess is they didn't want to publish a photo of it.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:57 am

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Loben III wrote:Uh....what racist word is paint sprayed there?


So because not every facet of the graffiti is in the article it's not a real hate crime. Got it.


Just saying, would be nice if they showed the entire thing instead of assuming that their readership would faint at such horror.....
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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:58 am

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Loben III wrote:Uh....what racist word is paint sprayed there?


Article says the Nword is there my guess is they didn't want to publish a photo of it.



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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:59 am

Vassenor wrote:ALM

I read "ALM" and went "Aryan Lives Matters"? Otoh there's not much difference...

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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Loben III wrote:Uh....what racist word is paint sprayed there?


So because not every facet of the graffiti is in the article it's not a real hate crime. Got it.

Also the photo we do get reads "BLM TALK TOO MUCH" and there's references to ALM in the text. Use your imagination.


That doesn’t really mean much tho. Unless you consider dissent against BLM to be a hate crime worthy of MP attention.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:03 am

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So because not every facet of the graffiti is in the article it's not a real hate crime. Got it.

Also the photo we do get reads "BLM TALK TOO MUCH" and there's references to ALM in the text. Use your imagination.


That doesn’t really mean much tho. Unless you consider dissent against BLM to be a hate crime worthy of MP attention.

It's a discipline and unit cohesion problem. Who else do you think would be in charge of the response? The Cypriotic media?

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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:05 am

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That doesn’t really mean much tho. Unless you consider dissent against BLM to be a hate crime worthy of MP attention.

It's a discipline and unit cohesion problem. Who else do you think would be in charge of the response? The Cypriotic media?


I was thinking more whoever is in charge of the British army’s “it’s ok to cry” regiment.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:10 am

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So because not every facet of the graffiti is in the article it's not a real hate crime. Got it.

Also the photo we do get reads "BLM TALK TOO MUCH" and there's references to ALM in the text. Use your imagination.


That doesn’t really mean much tho. Unless you consider dissent against BLM to be a hate crime worthy of MP attention.


So you're still acting like that one photo of the rear quarter of the car is the full extent of the vandalism because it helps your narrative.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:15 am

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That doesn’t really mean much tho. Unless you consider dissent against BLM to be a hate crime worthy of MP attention.


So you're still acting like that one photo of the rear quarter of the car is the full extent of the vandalism because it helps your narrative.


Now if the fine journalists at whatever the fuck would be so inclined as to include the entire extent of said vandalism I would be more inclined to be empathetic.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:19 am

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So you're still acting like that one photo of the rear quarter of the car is the full extent of the vandalism because it helps your narrative.


Now if the fine journalists at whatever the fuck would be so inclined as to include the entire extent of said vandalism I would be more inclined to be empathetic.


Still doing it.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Now if the fine journalists at whatever the fuck would be so inclined as to include the entire extent of said vandalism I would be more inclined to be empathetic.


Still doing it.


And I will keep doing so for as long as this topic is relevant in the UP thread.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:21 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Uh....what racist word is paint sprayed there?


The accompanying photograph only shows part of the car.

As the story clearly notes:

'The racist abuse sprayed on the car includes the N-word'.

Given the BBC's recent difficulties over the latter word, it was presumably a deliberate decision to not include it in the photograph.


Although that is a decision I strongly disagree with. Showing the full thing would be better journalisms, with a greater impact. It would make people understand the matter more.

Censoring something bad makes it look less bad.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:21 am

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're still acting like that one photo of the rear quarter of the car is the full extent of the vandalism because it helps your narrative.


Now if the fine journalists at whatever the fuck would be so inclined as to include the entire extent of said vandalism I would be more inclined to be empathetic.


All news outlets appear to be using same photograph.

The credit for that photograph is 'Forces Compare', which offers specialist military car insurance for the Armed Forces.

The decision to only provide an image of a portion of the vehicle therefore seems to rest, at least for the present, primarily with the relevant specialist insurance company, not with the journalists.

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Postby Novus America » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:23 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Now if the fine journalists at whatever the fuck would be so inclined as to include the entire extent of said vandalism I would be more inclined to be empathetic.


All news outlets appear to be using same photograph.

The credit for that photograph is 'Forces Compare', which offers specialist military car insurance for the Armed Forces.

The decision to only provide an image of a portion of the vehicle therefore seems to rest, at least for the present, primarily with the relevant specialist insurance company, not with the journalists.


Fair point. If that is all the have, that is not their fault. But in general censoring something bad makes it look less bad.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:24 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Now if the fine journalists at whatever the fuck would be so inclined as to include the entire extent of said vandalism I would be more inclined to be empathetic.


All news outlets appear to be using same photograph.

The credit for that photograph is 'Forces Compare', which offers specialist military car insurance for the Armed Forces.

The decision to only provide an image of a portion of the vehicle therefore seems to rest, at least for the present, primarily with the relevant specialist insurance company, not with the journalists.


Ah.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:03 am

The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:44 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers?



...yes.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:11 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?

"Beyond Politics Party" is such a contradiction in terms. It's like saying "beyond fascism fascists"...

And they seem like total wankers, looking at what creepy weirdness they were doing:

Beyond Politics's Twitter feed shows a man dressed as a priest and a woman in a pink T-shirt standing outside Conservative Party HQ in Matthew Parker Street, holding a banner saying: "Treason, Treason, Treason."
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Postby Celritannia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:24 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?


"Citizen-led decision making" and "[N]either the government nor any of the political parties are effectively standing up for the planet" make them sound like green anarchists.

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:48 am

Celritannia wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?


"Citizen-led decision making" and "[N]either the government nor any of the political parties are effectively standing up for the planet" make them sound like green anarchists.

They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.
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Postby Celritannia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:00 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
"Citizen-led decision making" and "[N]either the government nor any of the political parties are effectively standing up for the planet" make them sound like green anarchists.

They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.


Them lot? FFS.
I am all for strong environmental policies, but this is just stupid.

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:08 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.


Them lot? FFS.
I am all for strong environmental policies, but this is just stupid.

It gets better, their entire raison d'etre is collapse the government, replace with citizens councils (Reign of Terror style from the sounds of it), 'fix' the country, then resign.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:09 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
"Citizen-led decision making" and "[N]either the government nor any of the political parties are effectively standing up for the planet" make them sound like green anarchists.

They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.

Are you sure it's them under a different name?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:13 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
"Citizen-led decision making" and "[N]either the government nor any of the political parties are effectively standing up for the planet" make them sound like green anarchists.

They are - it's the extinction rebellion lot, they've been chucking paint at NGOs for a few weeks now.


Extinction Rebellion seem to be saying they are a separate organisation

https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2020/07/ ... ics-party/
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:21 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The HQs of the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems, and the Greens were attacked with pink paint yesterday by people calling themselves the Beyond Politics Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53770794

A serious party or a bunch of attention seeking tossers? My guess would be the latter - anyone heard of them before?


The United Kingdom already has an Official Monster Raving Loony Party, who may not be the loonies we deserve, but are at least in a grand tradition of mostly harmless British loonies.

Would Howling Laud Hope, Baron Von Thunderclap, or The Incredible Flying Brick throw paint at the HQs of other parties.

They would not.

I for one stand with the OMRLP in rejecting this latest outbreak of serious looniness, and calling for a return to good old fashioned harmless loony values.

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