UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[-Ra-]

Scotland had their chance to leave and the Scots chose to stay. Another referendum isn't going to happen. The Northern Ireland situation is already being solved.

Brexit is the rebirth of Britain. Once we break the chains that have yoked us in with the continent, we will further relations with other Anglosphere countries. This is the perfect time for the British people to redefine themselves as a world power in our own right. We're certainly capable of it, and breaking with Brussels was the first step. If anything, this is the rejuvenation of Britain. Now, the Northern Englanders whom you speak about so disparagingly are heard as much as elite liberal Londoners. We are a stronger democracy than ever before.

And how's that working out so far?

Bit too early to tell mate. We're not yet out of the EU and haven't completed negotiations.

[Vassenor]

And how's that working out so far?

Bit too early to tell mate. We're not yet out of the EU and haven't completed negotiations.

Negotiations that are going hilariously badly for us because our government doesn't understand give and take.

[Hurdergaryp]

The only thing Brexit will achieve in the long run is PRC'ian colonisation. And guess who's not playing the long game? Certainly not Downing Street 10. Peking is though.

Going to take a bit of creativity in order to connect the UK (or what remains of it) to the New Silk Road Project, but that should not be too much of a problem.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The only thing Brexit will achieve in the long run is PRC'ian colonisation. And guess who's not playing the long game? Certainly not Downing Street 10. Peking is though.

Going to take a bit of creativity in order to connect the UK (or what remains of it) to the New Silk Road Project, but that should not be too much of a problem.

Especially when No. 10 has alienated everybody else.

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Bit too early to tell mate. We're not yet out of the EU and haven't completed negotiations.

Negotiations that are going hilariously badly for us because our government doesn't understand give and take.

Actually our government led by Johnson have gotten a lot of concessions out of those corrupt Brussels bureaucrats so I don't know what you're blabbering about...

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Scotland had their chance to leave and the Scots chose to stay. Another referendum isn't going to happen. The Northern Ireland situation is already being solved.

Brexit is the rebirth of Britain. Once we break the chains that have yoked us in with the continent, we will further relations with other Anglosphere countries. This is the perfect time for the British people to redefine themselves as a world power in our own right. We're certainly capable of it, and breaking with Brussels was the first step. If anything, this is the rejuvenation of Britain. Now, the Northern Englanders whom you speak about so disparagingly are heard as much as elite liberal Londoners. We are a stronger democracy than ever before.

In World War I and II there were idiots who said Britain would surely fall and this country would be in ruin. In the 70s when this country was the "sick man of Europe" people said the same thing. They were wrong. This country survived, and it will continue to survive because there are people across this country who believe in it and who will fight for it. If we listened to the pessimists, we would be nowhere. And I'll be damned if the British people stop believing in Britain.

Ignoring the ridiculous suggestion that the North matters as much as London to the government, "Northern Englanders"? Since you're the first one I've actually met, could you explain the allergy your lot (the elites) have to the word "English"?

[Vassenor]

Negotiations that are going hilariously badly for us because our government doesn't understand give and take.

Actually our government led by Johnson have gotten a lot of concessions out of those corrupt Brussels bureaucrats so I don't know what you're blabbering about...

Name them.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

What "western values"

The type of things you Stalinists want to destroy.

I want pre-1066 English values to be restored.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Going to take a bit of creativity in order to connect the UK (or what remains of it) to the New Silk Road Project, but that should not be too much of a problem.

Especially when No. 10 has alienated everybody else.

Oh and Britain is already buying nuclear reactors from PRC so the first steps are already there.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Is talking about "employment decreases" supposed to be less scary to voters than "unemployment increases"?

[Ifreann]

i'm not wildly exaggerating. northern ireland is now an EU satellite state that will be gone by 2050. support for scottish independence has been ticking upward for years and now seems like it will have a consistent majority. northern england is going to be pissed when brexit doesn't solve the problems they thought it would. and the welsh government is finally growing some balls over brexit and corona. your meme country is literally dying. whether or not you're willing to fix it or want to put your fingers in your ears and go la la la is your problem.

Scotland had their chance to leave and the Scots chose to stay. Another referendum isn't going to happen.

If the basis of the unity of your nation is "You had your chance to leave and you're not getting another" then I dare say that there will be another referendum and Scotland will leave.

[Vassenor]

What "western values"

The type of things you Stalinists want to destroy.

Which are what?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If anything, having disassociated themselves with a great power Britain is now stuck in the middle of the tug of war between two others (USA and PRC) and there is no way of getting out of this. It's either American hegemony or PRC'ian colonisation. Now choose No. 10.

[Souseiseki]

Scotland had their chance to leave and the Scots chose to stay. Another referendum isn't going to happen.

lmao yeah dude just block another referendum forever because you might lose very democratic what an amazing stable country haha.

The Northern Ireland situation is already being solved.

the british government has thus far repeatedly failed to resolve it. i have no confidence that they'll suddenly turn it around. if you have some hitherto unheard of solution that will fix it i'm dying to hear it.

Brexit is the rebirth of Britain. Once we break the chains that have yoked us in with the continent, we will further relations with other Anglosphere countries. This is the perfect time for the British people to redefine themselves as a world power in our own right.

the other anglosphere countries aren't going to jump in bed with you because you've decided you want it

britain is going to be a regional power... in a region where every single one of if its neighbours is part of or tied to a bloc that it wants to completely sever itself from.

Now, the Northern Englanders whom you speak about so disparagingly are heard as much as elite liberal Londoners. We are a stronger democracy than ever before.

brexit was a direct result of them feeling they were not being heard. the UK government has at best come up with token ideas to resolve this.

i'm not speaking disparagingly about them. the problems they were most angry about were partially or entirely the result of domestic failures of the UK government and they chose to address them with a change in international policy. once they realize things are basically the same as they were before except now the EU funding that the UK government never bothered to give them and does not intend to replace has dried up they will want another political revolution. this will keep happening until you actually fix england.

[Hurdergaryp]

Actually our government led by Johnson have gotten a lot of concessions out of those corrupt Brussels bureaucrats so I don't know what you're blabbering about...

Name them.

That's unfair. You can't expect actual facts to agree with the perfection of propaganda.

[-Ra-]

Actually our government led by Johnson have gotten a lot of concessions out of those corrupt Brussels bureaucrats so I don't know what you're blabbering about...

Name them.

Try the EU giving up its dreams of controlling British waters through the Common Fisheries Policy in literal violation of Westphalian sovereignty?

Or perhaps getting the EU to back down on the backstop?

Or making sure that UK agents had the right to check what was coming into our country at customs?

On all of these accounts, the EU fought to keep the UK less free, less democratic, and more beholden. The EU is an anti-democratic institution. Say what you want about Boris, but he is leading the fight against degenerate bureaucrats, and he's fighting hard.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"The EU is an anti-democratic institution!"
Meanwhile in Peking
"Oh and London, how would you like for us to produce your atom bombs?"

[Vassenor]

Name them.

Try the EU giving up its dreams of controlling British waters through the Common Fisheries Policy in literal violation of Westphalian sovereignty?

Or perhaps getting the EU to back down on the backstop?

Or making sure that UK agents had the right to check what was coming into our country at customs?

On all of these accounts, the EU fought to keep the UK less free, less democratic, and more beholden. The EU is an anti-democratic institution. Say what you want about Boris, but he is leading the fight against degenerate bureaucrats, and he's fighting hard.

Because apparently an industry that accounts for less than 0.1% of our GDP and employs less than 12,000 people is the cornerstone of our democracy.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Not avoiding Cod War 4 when Iceland can roflstomp the British Armed Forces is apparently more important than preventing the PRC from taking over potential Chernobyls on British soil is what I've learnt today.

[-Ra-]

Try the EU giving up its dreams of controlling British waters through the Common Fisheries Policy in literal violation of Westphalian sovereignty?

Or perhaps getting the EU to back down on the backstop?

Or making sure that UK agents had the right to check what was coming into our country at customs?

On all of these accounts, the EU fought to keep the UK less free, less democratic, and more beholden. The EU is an anti-democratic institution. Say what you want about Boris, but he is leading the fight against degenerate bureaucrats, and he's fighting hard.

Because apparently an industry that accounts for less than 0.1% of our GDP and employs less than 12,000 people is the cornerstone of our democracy.

The decline of the UK fishing industry was caused by... let's see... the Common Fisheries Policy.

It's not only about protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce, it's about ensuring that foreign countries can't dictate how much UK fishermen can fish and that foreign countries aren't allowed to leech on our waters, which are among the largest in Europe. It's an issue about sovereignty.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Brexit hasn't been democratic.

FACT: When WE voted to Leave, we voted for reindustrialisation, an end to ridiculous immigration policies ("b-but points system..." lol no), and protectionism. Not this "Global Britain" free trade bullshit.

[-Ra-]

Brexit hasn't been democratic.

FACT: When WE voted to Leave, we voted for reindustrialisation, an end to ridiculous immigration policies ("b-but points system..." lol no), and protectionism. Not this "Global Britain" free trade bullshit.

It's almost like people voted for Brexit for different reasons...

I voted for Brexit because I wanted British people to make decisions about the British economy and British immigration. I also voted for it because I wanted to see this country become a global power.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

The decline of the UK fishing industry was caused by... let's see... the Common Fisheries Policy.

It's not only about protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce, it's about ensuring that foreign countries can't dictate how much UK fishermen can fish and that foreign countries aren't allowed to leech on our waters, which are among the largest in Europe. It's an issue about sovereignty.

You don't give a fuck about "protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce", though, do you? You praise deindustrialisation without caring for what that tore out of England.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The decline of the UK fishing industry was caused by... let's see... the Common Fisheries Policy.

It's not only about protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce, it's about ensuring that foreign countries can't dictate how much UK fishermen can fish and that foreign countries aren't allowed to leech on our waters, which are among the largest in Europe. It's an issue about sovereignty.

You don't give a fuck about "protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce", though, do you? You praise deindustrialisation without caring for what that tore out of England.

The fact that there was no reaction when "PRC is building nuclear reactors on British soil" came up is telling enough. Anybody remotely in the know would be utterly appalled at the prospect of Peking being permitted to run British reactors but apparently no.

[-Ra-]

The decline of the UK fishing industry was caused by... let's see... the Common Fisheries Policy.

It's not only about protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce, it's about ensuring that foreign countries can't dictate how much UK fishermen can fish and that foreign countries aren't allowed to leech on our waters, which are among the largest in Europe. It's an issue about sovereignty.

You don't give a fuck about "protecting fishermen and the small communities that rely on their produce", though, do you? You praise deindustrialisation without caring for what that tore out of England.

I do give a fuck about protecting fisherman and small communities because I come from a small community with many disgruntled fishermen. Not all of us are inner city high street urban dwellers. The EU's policies deliberately help inner city liberal elite at the expense of rural folk. The EU rolled over the rural areas of this country like a fucking plague, and the people of this country wanted fuck all to do with Brussels and their policies.

Also never have praised deindustrialisation whatever that means.