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Because the Tories are not remotely Fascist, the idea of Tory Fascism is silly.
Sure Tories suck. Sure some have an authoritarian streak. Back they lack the other hallmarks of Fascism such as extreme militarism, heavy government spending on infrastructure, the military and public services, especially for families with children, third position economics combining market economics and state intervention, protectionism and self sufficiency, imperialism/revanchism/irredentist, banning opposition parties, etc.

Actually with the exception of the last two, more Fascist might an improvement

Celritannia wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I'm glad that you are conceding the point, but it could do with a little less of the criticising people for assuming that your meaning was what your words said rather than something that they did not say.

Yet, on the other hand, people should not put too much thought into the word on a forum about politics.

Far from being pedantic, it's general practice in this world so sorely lacking in telepathy to debate the words that people say rather than those that they claim after the event to have secretly been thinking all along. Is conceding a single minor point really this difficult? I'm hardly an open-minded sort, and yet even I managed to admit I fucked up on the biggest political issue of our era. Misusing the word fascist is hardly an action of great consequence, or some terrible shame that will hang over you. Simply move on and don't repeat the mistake, it's no great shakes to admit it.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Yet, on the other hand, people should not put too much thought into the word on a forum about politics.

Far from being pedantic, it's general practice in this world so sorely lacking in telepathy to debate the words that people say rather than those that they claim after the event to have secretly been thinking all along. Is conceding a single minor point really this difficult? I'm hardly an open-minded sort, and yet even I managed to admit I fucked up on the biggest political issue of our era. Misusing the word fascist is hardly an action of great consequence, or some terrible shame that will hang over you. Simply move on and don't repeat the mistake, it's no great shakes to admit it.

It's the word I found that best fit to get the attention it deserved, so it's done the trick.

Novus America wrote:Because the Tories are not remotely Fascist, the idea of Tory Fascism is silly.
Sure Tories suck. Sure some have an authoritarian streak. Back they lack the other hallmarks of Fascism such as extreme militarism, heavy government spending on infrastructure, the military and public services, especially for families with children, third position economics combining market economics and state intervention, protectionism and self sufficiency, imperialism/revanchism/irredentist, banning opposition parties, etc.

Actually with the exception of the last two, more Fascist might an improvement

the tories are weird because they definitely want all of that stuff and talk it up publicly but they just cba paying for it

Souseiseki wrote:

Novus America wrote:Because the Tories are not remotely Fascist, the idea of Tory Fascism is silly.
Sure Tories suck. Sure some have an authoritarian streak. Back they lack the other hallmarks of Fascism such as extreme militarism, heavy government spending on infrastructure, the military and public services, especially for families with children, third position economics combining market economics and state intervention, protectionism and self sufficiency, imperialism/revanchism/irredentist, banning opposition parties, etc.

Actually with the exception of the last two, more Fascist might an improvement

the tories are weird because they definitely want all of that stuff and talk it up publicly but they just cba paying for it

Congrats(?) to the Tories on being too shit to do a fascism.

Celritannia wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Far from being pedantic, it's general practice in this world so sorely lacking in telepathy to debate the words that people say rather than those that they claim after the event to have secretly been thinking all along. Is conceding a single minor point really this difficult? I'm hardly an open-minded sort, and yet even I managed to admit I fucked up on the biggest political issue of our era. Misusing the word fascist is hardly an action of great consequence, or some terrible shame that will hang over you. Simply move on and don't repeat the mistake, it's no great shakes to admit it.

It's the word I found that best fit to get the attention it deserved, so it's done the trick.

And lo, it transpired that the whole "blunder" and our hero's defence of it thereafter were but a cunning plan-scheme to ensure proper attention for the most pressing issue facing the Kingdom. The people not only accepted this entirely plausible resolution to the plot, but also noted that the endeavour was most assuredly successful despite the conversation never progressing to the point our hero was secretly making, what with everyone quite reasonably focusing instead on the most peculiar in what our hero actually said. That fine eve there was much merriment and rejoicing, and representatives from Space FIDE did teleport in to award the title of Grandmaster to our hero for this bamboozling triumph of 4D chess stable genius.

Ifreann wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
the tories are weird because they definitely want all of that stuff and talk it up publicly but they just cba paying for it

Congrats(?) to the Tories on being too shit to do a fascism.

it's actually one of the cool things about living in the UK because you have insane unaccountable morality police state but they also have no money so they can't actually do shit except search twitter for N and send the vans out

of course this also means that if labour get in and actually try fund it then we're fucked, but until then yaaaaay?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... _clipboard

“There is no guarantee that the trend will continue but what we do need to understand is that it is being driven by Brexit,” Curtis said. “[The] difficulty for the unionist position is that they say ‘we don’t think that the people of Scotland have the right to change their minds’.

“That won’t be sustainable if the trends we’re talking about go on much longer.”

nothing really new but it's nice to have a polling guy come out behind the idea that yes it's a brexit thing

Souseiseki wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Congrats(?) to the Tories on being too shit to do a fascism.

it's actually one of the cool things about living in the UK because you have insane unaccountable morality police state but they also have no money so they can't actually do shit except search twitter for N and send the vans out

of course this also means that if labour get in and actually try fund it then we're fucked, but until then yaaaaay?

Yaaaaaay? indeed.

Vassenor wrote:So apparently we've reached "swimming in human waste to own the Libs" because EU regs were the only thing stopping companies dumping raw sewage into the sea.

Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.

Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.

Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.

Novus America wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So apparently we've reached "swimming in human waste to own the Libs" because EU regs were the only thing stopping companies dumping raw sewage into the sea.

Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.

Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.

Im not subscribing in order to read it, but it honestly would not surprise me that Vass is spinning a web of lies like comrade Dyatlov to imply something that doesnt exist.


Because she has never done that before

Souseiseki wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/04/scottish-independence-survey-shows-brexit-has-put-union-at-risk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

“There is no guarantee that the trend will continue but what we do need to understand is that it is being driven by Brexit,” Curtis said. “[The] difficulty for the unionist position is that they say ‘we don’t think that the people of Scotland have the right to change their minds’.

“That won’t be sustainable if the trends we’re talking about go on much longer.”

nothing really new but it's nice to have a polling guy come out behind the idea that yes it's a brexit thing

Doesnt surprise me in the slightest. Now whether or not the Scots will actually go for it is another thing

Novus America wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So apparently we've reached "swimming in human waste to own the Libs" because EU regs were the only thing stopping companies dumping raw sewage into the sea.

Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.

Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.

Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.

And, of course, the UK is still bound by EU law until 2021.

Novus America wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So apparently we've reached "swimming in human waste to own the Libs" because EU regs were the only thing stopping companies dumping raw sewage into the sea.

Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.

Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.

Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.

Many trains in the UK still have toilets ("hopper toilets") that flush straight onto the tracks, hence the toilet paper and shit that can be spotted on the tracks at train stations. There are usually signs in the toilets telling people not to flush in stations, but clearly they do.

Ifreann wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
it's actually one of the cool things about living in the UK because you have insane unaccountable morality police state but they also have no money so they can't actually do shit except search twitter for N and send the vans out

of course this also means that if labour get in and actually try fund it then we're fucked, but until then yaaaaay?

Yaaaaaay? indeed.

And have a van that can tell if you have an unlicensed TV

The New California Republic wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.

Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.

Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.

Many trains in the UK still have toilets ("hopper toilets") that flush straight onto the tracks, hence the toilet paper and shit that can be spotted on the tracks at train stations. There are usually signs in the toilets telling people not to flush in stations, but clearly they do.

That is interesting (but pretty gross). Even in the US where our trains are not exactly the best I do not believe we have used such toilets for a long time. Never seen one, or the waste that goes along with it besides maybe in a museum.

Every train I have been in here has the airplane type ones.

Apparently we switched fully to holding tanks by 1990 and even before that had systems that disabled them in the station.

Surprised the UK is 30 years behind the US.

Novus America wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Many trains in the UK still have toilets ("hopper toilets") that flush straight onto the tracks, hence the toilet paper and shit that can be spotted on the tracks at train stations. There are usually signs in the toilets telling people not to flush in stations, but clearly they do.

That is interesting (but pretty gross). Even in the US where our trains are not exactly the best I do not believe we have used such toilets for a long time. Never seen one, or the waste that goes along with it besides maybe in a museum.

Every train I have been in here has the airplane type ones.

Apparently we switched fully to holding tanks by 1990 and even before that had systems that disabled them in the station.

Surprised the UK is 30 years behind the US.

They have been saying for years that they are going to stop it, but here we are. While it's unpleasant for people stood on the station platforms, it's the railway line maintenance workers who need to deal with that literal shit every day.

The New California Republic wrote:

Novus America wrote:
That is interesting (but pretty gross). Even in the US where our trains are not exactly the best I do not believe we have used such toilets for a long time. Never seen one, or the waste that goes along with it besides maybe in a museum.

Every train I have been in here has the airplane type ones.

Apparently we switched fully to holding tanks by 1990 and even before that had systems that disabled them in the station.

Surprised the UK is 30 years behind the US.

They have been saying for years that they are going to stop it, but here we are. While it's unpleasant for people stood on the station platforms, it's the railway line maintenance workers who need to deal with that literal shit every day.

Jeez that's disgusting

Rojava Free State wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:They have been saying for years that they are going to stop it, but here we are. While it's unpleasant for people stood on the station platforms, it's the railway line maintenance workers who need to deal with that literal shit every day.

Jeez that's disgusting

One of many, many, many reasons we need to nationalise the railways.

Chan Island wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Jeez that's disgusting

One of many, many, many reasons we need to nationalise the railways.

Nationalise the rail-poop industry.

Chan Island wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Jeez that's disgusting

One of many, many, many reasons we need to nationalise the railways.

British Rail rolling stock had the same toilets. I remember them.

The New California Republic wrote:

Chan Island wrote:
One of many, many, many reasons we need to nationalise the railways.

British Rail rolling stock had the same toilets. I remember them.

Back in the 1970s.

I think most trains have modernised a bit since then.

Chan Island wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:British Rail rolling stock had the same toilets. I remember them.

Back in the 1970s.

I think most trains have modernised a bit since then.

No. I remember British Rail trains in the early and mid nineties had them as well...

The New California Republic wrote:

Chan Island wrote:
Back in the 1970s.

I think most trains have modernised a bit since then.

No. I remember British Rail trains in the early and mid nineties had them as well...

Ooh ooh I know This one. Britain started upgrading their trains in 2019 to holding tanks.

Mostly everywhere else uses the on tracks method.

And most Australian trains need to reach a certain speed before they will dump on tracks. Because they only do that speed away from stations.