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by The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:40 am
by Hurdergaryp » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:45 am
by Nuroblav » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:47 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Stop it you're making me cringe.......
Hurdergaryp wrote:Now you know how that flag of yours makes us feel.
by Vassenor » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:49 am
-Ra- wrote:Vassenor wrote:
If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?
U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.
Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?
How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.
by Souseiseki » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:58 am
Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:Souseiseki wrote:
you've combined death penalty and life sentence into one category when these are obviously two very different things. please provide actual figures and the wording of the questions used to get those figures.
though you're right in that whether or not the british public are based or unbased on any given issue once the government has made its mind up what the public wants is irrelevant.
When you compare how far the death penalty is to locking them up and throwing away the key, and then how far that is to the current policy on paedos where they get like two years in prison, the difference is minuscule. Here you go, from twenty years ago but I can't find any others. also check this out
by Souseiseki » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:00 am
-Ra- wrote:Vassenor wrote:
If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?
U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.
Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?
How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.Hurdergaryp wrote:Things such as basic human decency and empathy?
Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.
Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.
You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.
by -Ra- » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:10 am
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by Vassenor » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:12 am
by Souseiseki » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:15 am
by Hurdergaryp » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:16 am
Souseiseki wrote:-Ra- wrote:How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.
Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.
Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.
You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.
i mean if you wanna go into full spicy territory all ideologies are excuses for social control except for the libertarian ones whose adherents want less control because they think they'll be the unconstrained kings. even the so called liberal democracies, when examined, are ravenous and ruthless social engineering machines that mercilessly hound wrongthinkers.
by Vassenor » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:21 am
Hurdergaryp wrote:Souseiseki wrote:i mean if you wanna go into full spicy territory all ideologies are excuses for social control except for the libertarian ones whose adherents want less control because they think they'll be the unconstrained kings. even the so called liberal democracies, when examined, are ravenous and ruthless social engineering machines that mercilessly hound wrongthinkers.
Say what you want, but -Ra- is the spiciest newcomer I have seen today, effortlessly owning us all and claiming this territory as his own. He's, like, so smart and intimidating!
by Hirota » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:00 pm
-Ra- wrote:Vassenor wrote:
If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?
U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.
Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?
How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.
by Munkcestrian RepubIic » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:04 pm
-Ra- wrote:Vassenor wrote:
If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?
U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.
Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?
How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.Hurdergaryp wrote:Things such as basic human decency and empathy?
Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.
Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.
You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.
by Souseiseki » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pm
Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:-Ra- wrote:How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.
Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.
Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.
You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.
Fascists do care for their community, just in their own way and often with a very specific definition of that community. If they wanted real 'social control' they would support the universalising liberal individualist order you (and the Jacobins you talk about in your factbook, lol) support.
by -Ra- » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:16 pm
Hirota wrote:Labour under Corbyn and its Adherence to identity politics is not correlative with Marxism.
Marx argued revolutions can only be successful if oppressed classes become sufficiently unified to be able to outnumber and overcome those in power. Identity politics is decisive and arguably counter to marx - after all, how can the workers unite across racial lines if today’s anti-racist movement is right that the lived experiences of black and white people are so totally different? And if white workers are inherently racist, why would black workers want to join with them?
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by Vassenor » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:17 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:20 pm
by Jedi Council » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:21 pm
Vassenor wrote:And how are we defining "identity politics" today?
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay... The lord of all gays.
by The New California Republic » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:23 pm
Souseiseki wrote:Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:Fascists do care for their community, just in their own way and often with a very specific definition of that community. If they wanted real 'social control' they would support the universalising liberal individualist order you (and the Jacobins you talk about in your factbook, lol) support.
ah yes liberal individualist social control
by -Ra- » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:30 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The only people truly celebrating privatisations of everything are the CPC Chairmen residing in Peking as they buy up ever greater portions of the British industrial sphere. And when you've been ruling the country like it was the Ancien Regime of France in 1789 maybe the popularity of Marxism is not so surprising.
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by Vassenor » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:32 pm
-Ra- wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The only people truly celebrating privatisations of everything are the CPC Chairmen residing in Peking as they buy up ever greater portions of the British industrial sphere. And when you've been ruling the country like it was the Ancien Regime of France in 1789 maybe the popularity of Marxism is not so surprising.
Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...
... has worked nowhere
... has killed millions of people
... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.
Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.
Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.
by -Ra- » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:33 pm
Vassenor wrote:-Ra- wrote:Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...
... has worked nowhere
... has killed millions of people
... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.
Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.
Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.
But that's enough about Capitalism.
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by The New California Republic » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:34 pm
-Ra- wrote:I like how you criticise capitalism and yet are able to use this site on a computer that all exist because of capitalism.
If you want to stay true to the revolution you should buy computers from Venezuela
-Ra- wrote:Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...
... has worked nowhere
... has killed millions of people
... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.
Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.
Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.
by -Ra- » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:35 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Many of your posts consist of railing against the Left. Please don't try to turn this thread into that please.
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by The New California Republic » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:37 pm
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