UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Hurdergaryp]

That's a lot of posts for someone who only has been a member of NationStates since yesterday. Perhaps it is a puppet account, perhaps it is a genuine NationStates Summer child, here to crush the opposition and reign supreme with an iron fist.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Because Labour propaganda has pushed public opinion away from the benefits of privatisation.

And people are dumb and don't understand economics.

KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!!

"these people are so stupid the smart people should be in charge instead"

Perhaps public opinion is the exact opposite of the views you hold for a reason.

[-Ra-]

Obviously that's your prerogative to hold that opinion, but I think you're average voter would agree that Labour has certainly moved more towards the center since Starmer has been leader.

You would think that Labour would have learnt that making an outright Marxist crackpot like Jeremy "our friends at Hamas, our friends at Hezbollah" Corbyn would not bode well with the electorate.

But alas RLB was a serious contender for the leadership so.

[The Huskar Social Union]

That's a lot of posts for someone who only has been a member of NationStates since yesterday. Perhaps it is a puppet account, perhaps it is a genuine NationStates Summer child, here to crush the opposition and reign supreme with an iron fist.

Maybe he has come to fulfil the last dream of our great Genghis.

[Philjia]

That's a lot of posts for someone who only has been a member of NationStates since yesterday. Perhaps it is a puppet account, perhaps it is a genuine NationStates Summer child, here to crush the opposition and reign supreme with an iron fist.

Maybe he has come to fulfil the last dream of our great Chengis.

It's mandatory that UKPT always has to have one extra hardcore free market advocate to spout ludicrous opinions and call things Dangerous Socialism™.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

The electorate of this country (referring to England) are unbelievably based, probably the most based in the world, yet there is no party that actually represents their views. This is very sad. Hang the paedos, double funding for the NHS, renationalise the railways.

[Philjia]

The electorate of this country (referring to England) are unbelievably based, probably the most based in the world, yet there is no party that actually represents their views. This is very sad. Hang the paedos, double funding for the NHS, renationalise the railways.

I suspect that this is a result of the effect observed by Lt. Gilbert Daniels when he discovered that no actual man in the USAF remotely resembled the theoretical man with the mean average measurements. A lot of things will be considered popular by a majority of the population, but none will be in favour of all of them.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Why's an American Trumpist in here?

I'm not an American but alright.

I mean I dislike Trump but he's better than that nutter Biden.

Let me guess, Singapore?

[-Ra-]

I'm not an American but alright.

I mean I dislike Trump but he's better than that nutter Biden.

Let me guess, Singapore?

Yes, I am actually a Signapore.

10/10 mate.

[Souseiseki]

Obviously that's your prerogative to hold that opinion, but I think you're average voter would agree that Labour has certainly moved more towards the center since Starmer has been leader.

You would think that Labour would have learnt that making an outright Marxist crackpot like Jeremy "our friends at Hamas, our friends at Hezbollah" Corbyn would not bode well with the electorate.

But alas RLB was a serious contender for the leadership so.

what we need is someone that has leftist policies that the british people tend to actually like but without the typical trappings of the british left like supporting palestine etc. that make british people go all tribalistic.

in other words, some kind of socialism that is also kind of nationalistic. hmm.

though it would be quite hard to pull off since you'd need to suck up to britain even when it's in the wrong and the willingness to do so suggests a lack of moral fortitude.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

The electorate of this country (referring to England) are unbelievably based, probably the most based in the world, yet there is no party that actually represents their views. This is very sad. Hang the paedos, double funding for the NHS, renationalise the railways.

I suspect that this is a result of the effect observed by Lt. Gilbert Daniels when he discovered that no actual man in the USAF remotely resembled the theoretical man with the mean average measurements. A lot of things will be considered popular by a majority of the population, but none will be in favour of all of them.

No, this is what most voters are actually like. 75% supports death or a life sentence that actually means life for paedos. 76% want to renationalise the railways. This isn't "average of".

[-Ra-]

what we need is someone that has leftist policies that the british people tend to actually like but without the typical trappings of the british left like supporting palestine etc. that make british people go all tribalistic.

I think what you need is to not elect tankies to high leadership positions in your party.

If Labour wants to succeed it has to move to the right. Starmer has presumably realised that much.

in other words, some kind of socialism that is also kind of nationalistic. hmm.

So like National Socialism? Nice.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

what we need is someone that has leftist policies that the british people tend to actually like but without the typical trappings of the british left like supporting palestine etc. that make british people go all tribalistic.

in other words, some kind of socialism that is also kind of nationalistic. hmm.

though it would be quite hard to pull off since you'd need to suck up to britain even when it's in the wrong and the willingness to do so suggests a lack of moral fortitude.

Englishness (which is what would actually be popular because Britishness is for Londoners and rich Southerners) solves that issue, because England has always been in the right.

[Souseiseki]

75% supports death or a life sentence that actually means life for paedos.

you've combined death penalty and life sentence into one category when these are obviously two very different things. please provide actual figures and the wording of the questions used to get those figures.

though you're right in that whether or not the british public are based or unbased on any given issue once the government has made its mind up what the public wants is irrelevant.

in other words, some kind of socialism that is also kind of nationalistic. hmm.

So like National Socialism? Nice.

it is a shame that you know who ruined the term forever or else that's probably what we'd end up being yeah

what we need is someone that has leftist policies that the british people tend to actually like but without the typical trappings of the british left like supporting palestine etc. that make british people go all tribalistic.

in other words, some kind of socialism that is also kind of nationalistic. hmm.

though it would be quite hard to pull off since you'd need to suck up to britain even when it's in the wrong and the willingness to do so suggests a lack of moral fortitude.

Englishness (which is what would actually be popular because Britishness is for Londoners and rich Southerners) solves that issue, because England has always been in the right.

cute

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

75% supports death or a life sentence that actually means life for paedos.

you've combined death penalty and life sentence into one category when these are obviously two very different things. please provide actual figures and the wording of the questions used to get those figures.

though you're right in that whether or not the british public are based or unbased on any given issue once the government has made its mind up what the public wants is irrelevant.

When you compare how far the death penalty is to locking them up and throwing away the key, and then how far that is to the current policy on paedos where they get like two years in prison, the difference is minuscule. Here you go, from twenty years ago but I can't find any others. also check this out

[Vassenor]

what we need is someone that has leftist policies that the british people tend to actually like but without the typical trappings of the british left like supporting palestine etc. that make british people go all tribalistic.

I think what you need is to not elect tankies to high leadership positions in your party.

If Labour wants to succeed it has to move to the right. Starmer has presumably realised that much.

If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?

U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.

Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Let me guess, Singapore?

Yes, I am actually a Signapore.

10/10 mate.

That spell checker of yours is rubbish.

[Hurdergaryp]

Maybe he has come to fulfil the last dream of our great Chengis.

It's mandatory that UKPT always has to have one extra hardcore free market advocate to spout ludicrous opinions and call things Dangerous Socialism™.

Things such as basic human decency and empathy?

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's mandatory that UKPT always has to have one extra hardcore free market advocate to spout ludicrous opinions and call things Dangerous Socialism™.

Things such as basic human decency and empathy?

Better is based human decency and empathy which is the same except it doesn't apply to anyone who is cringe.

[Andsed]

what we need is someone that has leftist policies that the british people tend to actually like but without the typical trappings of the british left like supporting palestine etc. that make british people go all tribalistic.

in other words, some kind of socialism that is also kind of nationalistic. hmm.

though it would be quite hard to pull off since you'd need to suck up to britain even when it's in the wrong and the willingness to do so suggests a lack of moral fortitude.

Englishness (which is what would actually be popular because Britishness is for Londoners and rich Southerners) solves that issue, because England has always been in the right.

Hehe, no

[Hurdergaryp]

Things such as basic human decency and empathy?

Better is based human decency and empathy which is the same except it doesn't apply to anyone who is cringe.

Cringe being a word which has been more than a little overused since the good people of the internet discovered it.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Better is based human decency and empathy which is the same except it doesn't apply to anyone who is cringe.

Cringe being a word which has been more than a little overused since the good people of the internet discovered it.

I miss the good old days of the roflcopter

[-Ra-]

I think what you need is to not elect tankies to high leadership positions in your party.

If Labour wants to succeed it has to move to the right. Starmer has presumably realised that much.

If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?

U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.

Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.

Things such as basic human decency and empathy?

Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.

Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.

You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.

[Nuroblav]

Better is based human decency and empathy which is the same except it doesn't apply to anyone who is cringe.

Thing is - what is cringe? From my perspective it is a matter of subjectivity.

Also cringe is probably the most cringe word.

[Hurdergaryp]

Cringe being a word which has been more than a little overused since the good people of the internet discovered it.

I miss the good old days of the roflcopter

But our smartphones are stronger now, so it's a fair trade.