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Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:54 pm

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Celritannia wrote:Yeah, until there is clear evidence, it's difficult to say.

Even if this is so, the whole news story here is 'man moves to spain.' It's not like he's detected the ebil muslims in spain and is rushing over to protest against them or something, it's literally 'man moves to spain.'

Replace "man" with "total asshat" and you will be hitting much nearer the mark.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:55 pm

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Celritannia wrote:Yeah, until there is clear evidence, it's difficult to say.

Even if this is so, the whole news story here is 'man moves to spain.' It's not like he's detected the ebil muslims in spain and is rushing over to protest against them or something, it's literally 'man moves to spain.'


"Man moves to Spain to avoid defamation lawsuit" would be more accurate.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:08 pm

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Celritannia wrote:Yeah, until there is clear evidence, it's difficult to say.

Even if this is so, the whole news story here is 'man moves to spain.' It's not like he's detected the ebil muslims in spain and is rushing over to protest against them or something, it's literally 'man moves to spain.'


I guess the irony of a man who voted to leave the EU to "stop foreigners coming into the UK" along with hating foreigners, and now is moving to a non-English speaking EU country has not dawned on you.

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CoraSpia wrote:Even if this is so, the whole news story here is 'man moves to spain.' It's not like he's detected the ebil muslims in spain and is rushing over to protest against them or something, it's literally 'man moves to spain.'

Replace "man" with "total asshat" and you will be hitting much nearer the mark.

But the action being discussed is him moving to spain. What he did before moving to spain is irrelevant when discussing the merits or demerits of him moving to spain.
Spain's nice, it's sunny. He might like it there, perhaps he could open up a little pub on a holiday resort. I'm sure there is a certain type of person who would love to say they've drank at 'Tommy's pub.'
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:10 pm

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CoraSpia wrote:Even if this is so, the whole news story here is 'man moves to spain.' It's not like he's detected the ebil muslims in spain and is rushing over to protest against them or something, it's literally 'man moves to spain.'


I guess the irony of a man who voted to leave the EU to "stop foreigners coming into the UK" along with hating foreigners, and now is moving to a non-English speaking EU country has not dawned on you.

I haven't seen arguments from him on the EU vote. Source?
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:11 pm

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CoraSpia wrote:Even if this is so, the whole news story here is 'man moves to spain.' It's not like he's detected the ebil muslims in spain and is rushing over to protest against them or something, it's literally 'man moves to spain.'


"Man moves to Spain to avoid defamation lawsuit" would be more accurate.

The British and Spanish governments work pretty well together. I'm sure if assets in the UK or Spain need to be accessed by either party they would be.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:12 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Replace "man" with "total asshat" and you will be hitting much nearer the mark.

But the action being discussed is him moving to spain. What he did before moving to spain is irrelevant when discussing the merits or demerits of him moving to spain.
Spain's nice, it's sunny. He might like it there, perhaps he could open up a little pub on a holiday resort. I'm sure there is a certain type of person who would love to say they've drank at 'Tommy's pub.'

If you want to be absurdly reductionist in a totally disingenuous manner regarding why the story is relevant then that's up to you, but know that your doing that just looks ridiculous.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:14 pm

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I guess the irony of a man who voted to leave the EU to "stop foreigners coming into the UK" along with hating foreigners, and now is moving to a non-English speaking EU country has not dawned on you.

I haven't seen arguments from him on the EU vote. Source?


Wait, you're not joking? Oh!

This is the guy that tried to join UKIP but was refused entry because his views were too extreme.
UKIP saying Yaxley's views are too extreme for them. That's bad in itself if an extreme right-wing party says that.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-6765873
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:19 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I guess the irony of a man who voted to leave the EU to "stop foreigners coming into the UK" along with hating foreigners, and now is moving to a non-English speaking EU country has not dawned on you.

I haven't seen arguments from him on the EU vote. Source?


If you really believe the guy running the English Defence League, one of the most notoriously anti-immigrant and eurosceptic groups out there possibly second only to Britain First is not anti-EU then I have some prime ocean view property in Montana to sell you.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:24 pm

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CoraSpia wrote:I haven't seen arguments from him on the EU vote. Source?


If you really believe the guy running the English Defence League, one of the most notoriously anti-immigrant and eurosceptic groups out there possibly second only to Britain First is not anti-EU then I have some prime ocean view property in Montana to sell you.

I'm not doubting that Tommy Robinson is anti-EU, I'm doubting that he's ever said that he wanted to 'stop foreigners coming into the UK.' Celrit's source is from the new European, a website with perhaps the worst layout known to man, but reading through it I couldn't find that quote.
If he did use those words I would be pretty surprised because despite all the hateful views he undoubtedly has, I've never seen anything from him advocating banning foreigners from the UK.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:27 pm

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If you really believe the guy running the English Defence League, one of the most notoriously anti-immigrant and eurosceptic groups out there possibly second only to Britain First is not anti-EU then I have some prime ocean view property in Montana to sell you.

I'm not doubting that Tommy Robinson is anti-EU, I'm doubting that he's ever said that he wanted to 'stop foreigners coming into the UK.' Celrit's source is from the new European, a website with perhaps the worst layout known to man, but reading through it I couldn't find that quote.
If he did use those words I would be pretty surprised because despite all the hateful views he undoubtedly has, I've never seen anything from him advocating banning foreigners from the UK.


You asked for a source on his Brexit stance. The article title reads:
Far-right Brexit advocate Tommy Robinson is making plans to move to Spain


You seriously have never read anything about Yaxley's strong anti-immigration view?
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:33 pm

Celritannia wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I'm not doubting that Tommy Robinson is anti-EU, I'm doubting that he's ever said that he wanted to 'stop foreigners coming into the UK.' Celrit's source is from the new European, a website with perhaps the worst layout known to man, but reading through it I couldn't find that quote.
If he did use those words I would be pretty surprised because despite all the hateful views he undoubtedly has, I've never seen anything from him advocating banning foreigners from the UK.


You asked for a source on his Brexit stance. The article title reads:
Far-right Brexit advocate Tommy Robinson is making plans to move to Spain


You seriously have never read anything about Yaxley's strong anti-immigration view?
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Honestly I can find a lot about his views on immigration into Europe, but it's almost like he was trying to create an irony-proof way of moving to another European country because I can't find anything relating to immigration within Europe (and I'm on page 4.)
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:42 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
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You asked for a source on his Brexit stance. The article title reads:


You seriously have never read anything about Yaxley's strong anti-immigration view?
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Honestly I can find a lot about his views on immigration into Europe, but it's almost like he was trying to create an irony-proof way of moving to another European country because I can't find anything relating to immigration within Europe (and I'm on page 4.)


His views, as well as the EDL, has always been about preserving "white British people" when it comes to the UK.
He was against people coming into the UK, and the irony is he is now wanting to to escape to anon-English EU country, despite his rhetoric.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:40 pm

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CoraSpia wrote:Honestly I can find a lot about his views on immigration into Europe, but it's almost like he was trying to create an irony-proof way of moving to another European country because I can't find anything relating to immigration within Europe (and I'm on page 4.)


His views, as well as the EDL, has always been about preserving "white British people" when it comes to the UK.
He was against people coming into the UK, and the irony is he is now wanting to to escape to anon-English EU country, despite his rhetoric.


The EDL is xenophobic, not racist. They expect assimilation, not whiteness. They also have a very strict and fundamentalist view of what assimilation entails to the point of rejecting anything vaguely foreign rather than emphasizing certain aspects of assimilation while ignoring other differences.

The relevant question is whether Tommy will become a catholic, change his wardrobe, learn Spanish, never speak English again in public, and dance the salsa, not whether he is foreign.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:44 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:The relevant question is whether Tommy will become a catholic, change his wardrobe, learn Spanish, never speak English again in public, and dance the salsa, not whether he is foreign.

Tbh I wouldn't put it past him to visit Valle de los Caídos while he is in Spain.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:50 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
His views, as well as the EDL, has always been about preserving "white British people" when it comes to the UK.
He was against people coming into the UK, and the irony is he is now wanting to to escape to anon-English EU country, despite his rhetoric.


The EDL is xenophobic, not racist. They expect assimilation, not whiteness. They also have a very strict and fundamentalist view of what assimilation entails to the point of rejecting anything vaguely foreign rather than emphasizing certain aspects of assimilation while ignoring other differences.

The relevant question is whether Tommy will become a catholic, change his wardrobe, learn Spanish, never speak English again in public, and dance the salsa, not whether he is foreign.


They are still racist, as is Yaxley. You can be both xenophobic and racist.

And let's not forget, he is anti-EU moving to an EU county.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:05 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The EDL is xenophobic, not racist. They expect assimilation, not whiteness. They also have a very strict and fundamentalist view of what assimilation entails to the point of rejecting anything vaguely foreign rather than emphasizing certain aspects of assimilation while ignoring other differences.

The relevant question is whether Tommy will become a catholic, change his wardrobe, learn Spanish, never speak English again in public, and dance the salsa, not whether he is foreign.


They are still racist, as is Yaxley. You can be both xenophobic and racist.

And let's not forget, he is anti-EU moving to an EU county.


That's a poor argument. One can be anti-EU but still be pro country in the EU.

Spain was a fascist state until pretty recently. Not surprising Yaxley would be into it.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
His views, as well as the EDL, has always been about preserving "white British people" when it comes to the UK.
He was against people coming into the UK, and the irony is he is now wanting to to escape to anon-English EU country, despite his rhetoric.


The EDL is xenophobic, not racist. They expect assimilation, not whiteness. They also have a very strict and fundamentalist view of what assimilation entails to the point of rejecting anything vaguely foreign rather than emphasizing certain aspects of assimilation while ignoring other differences.

The relevant question is whether Tommy will become a catholic, change his wardrobe, learn Spanish, never speak English again in public, and dance the salsa, not whether he is foreign.

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Maybe exposure to another culture will change his fuckwitted views.

Either that or in a few years he will get done for drug smuggling.

Will he be changing his name again? Tomasito Mermelada perhaps.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:25 am

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Celritannia wrote:
They are still racist, as is Yaxley. You can be both xenophobic and racist.

And let's not forget, he is anti-EU moving to an EU county.


That's a poor argument. One can be anti-EU but still be pro country in the EU.

Spain was a fascist state until pretty recently. Not surprising Yaxley would be into it.


True, I should have said he is trying to use his status as a European Union Citizen to flee to Spain.
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Kowani wrote:
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The EDL is xenophobic, not racist. They expect assimilation, not whiteness. They also have a very strict and fundamentalist view of what assimilation entails to the point of rejecting anything vaguely foreign rather than emphasizing certain aspects of assimilation while ignoring other differences.

The relevant question is whether Tommy will become a catholic, change his wardrobe, learn Spanish, never speak English again in public, and dance the salsa, not whether he is foreign.

...Salsa is Puerto Rican, not Spanish.


Perhaps Ostro meant 'bailar en la salsa' or 'bailar con la salsa' rather than 'bailar la salsa' - in other words, he expects Mr Robinson to dance in or with a Spanish sauce, rather than to learn a popular saucy Latin dance developed by Puerto Rican residents of New York in the 1960s.

Though I wasn't aware that Spaniards typically danced in or with sauce; perhaps this is a folk custom from the mountains of Asturias?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:38 am

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Kowani wrote:...Salsa is Puerto Rican, not Spanish.


Perhaps Ostro meant 'bailar en la salsa' or 'bailar con la salsa' rather than 'bailar la salsa' - in other words, he expects Mr Robinson to dance in or with a Spanish sauce, rather than to learn a popular saucy Latin dance developed by Puerto Rican residents of New York in the 1960s.

Though I wasn't aware that Spaniards typically danced in or with sauce; perhaps this is a folk custom from the mountains of Asturias?

Well, Tommy Robinson is very strict on assimilation. So, I guess he'd see it as his duty to follow all customs, including embracing salsa to the point of dancing the flamenco in it.

Of course, for a spicier salsa, he should probably dance the pasodoble.
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Nuroblav wrote:Massachusetts threw it into the sea :(


Massachusetts is a U.S. State...


It's a joke about the Boston Tea Party.

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Massachusetts is a U.S. State...

Bit weird that you saw fit to dig up and respond to a post from all the way back in January, but alright... :eyebrow:
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